2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTo those saying that Bernie still winning states doesn't matter...remember 1980
The only reason Ted Kennedy was able to get a floor fight at the convention is because Carter stopped winning states at the end of the primary.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)He had some bad deals come down due to bad US involvement that lead to crap starting in Iran. But he was one best Statesmen president we have had.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)K/R
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)We can Bern it up.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)won handily on the first ballot? I'm not sure why you think that bolsters your case, but okay.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
amborin
(16,631 posts)And Bernie stands an excellent chance of getting the nomination.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Don't ever put Ted Kennedy in the same sentence with Bernie Sanders ever again.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Twice
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)That's better.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Bernie never has had as much money as Kennedy! That's about it!
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)http://www.ciw-online.org/blog/2008/04/senate_hearing/
They worked well together and were friends. You do not know their history.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)as you might think. Kennedy lost and damaged his political standing within the party.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Let's hope nothing like 1980 occurs this time around.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Guess what?
It didn't work, it's not going to work, democracy isn't always pretty.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It was quite ugly.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Skink
(10,122 posts)I'd vote for her. That is if Bernie wasn't running.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Our party needs to appreciate what is happening. There are some lessons here. Almost half the voters who count themselves as Democrats want something other than what we have been giving them for 30 years. Many of the states where Bernie won represent deep blue territory, and are important to the success of the party, particularly down the ballot. The party cannot afford to dismiss voters who are not mainstream registered Democrats. There is a price to be paid by playing with racial politics. I'm sure we will argue about these and many other points for quite a while, but things are not as they were, certainly not what we expected, and we need to figure it out.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)You have said it clearly and fantastically well.
MADem
(135,425 posts)legacy.
Poor Ted had a serious coke and booze problem around that time, too.
At least he had an excuse....
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)But go ahead, throw Teddy under the bus to. If we're going full republican, lets go all out!
MADem
(135,425 posts)Ted Kennedy was rightfully criticized for his behavior, and it -- along with his addiction issues -- ensured he'd reached his terminal rank.
He made the best of it, though, after he came to his senses.
He did a ton of good at his terminal rank, "too."
We were shut out of the Executive Branch for over a decade because of his "shenanigans."
And you seem to forget that Teddy was awfully "Fired UP, and READY TO GO!" in 08; and some of his last utterances were in favor of (gasp) Obamacare.
So if you're loving on Ted, you're loving on Barack, too--funny how that works.
If you hate being a Democrat, no one is holding you hostage, you know.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Keep feeding that lie.
I'm a democrat until we nominate a conservative. Then I'm whatever becomes of the real left in this country.
And again, the reason we lost in 80 was because we went with the worst candidate for the GE.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I agree with Obama--gosh, who could SHE be?
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)The greatest--and most delicious-- humor can be found in the truth.
It's not an endorsement, necessarily (though I am quite sure Obama wants Clinton to follow him) --it's just common sense, and everyone, save a very small cadre, sees it.
#FeelTheMath is funny, too--because it's an OBVIOUS joke.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Ronald Reagan.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)He should have never ran against a sitting Democratic president.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)A quick glance at the results in 1980 would suggest you are...