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To those saying that Bernie still winning states doesn't matter...remember 1980 (Original Post) Joe the Revelator May 2016 OP
That worked out GREAT for the Party and America. nt onehandle May 2016 #1
Really.. Not the best of examples to rely on. eom. Amimnoch May 2016 #4
Carter was a good POUTS, only GOP people think he wasn't TimPlo May 2016 #13
To the convention! CentralCoaster May 2016 #2
Floor Fight!! RobertEarl May 2016 #14
I also remember 1992 and 2008 Renew Deal May 2016 #3
You mean the convention where the candidate who was ahead in the delegate count mythology May 2016 #5
That was, like, last century or something, wasn't it? randome May 2016 #6
Bernie & his supporters are in it through the convention, which will be contested. amborin May 2016 #7
Bernie Sanders is no Ted Kennedy KingFlorez May 2016 #8
You just did firebrand80 May 2016 #10
I should have said don't ever compare Bernie Sanders to Ted Kennedy ever again KingFlorez May 2016 #11
Right RoccoR5955 May 2016 #28
C'MON! The Florida Farm workers Bill? Remember this? Land of Enchantment May 2016 #16
That isn't quite as impressive an example Codeine May 2016 #9
That was a disaster for the Democratic Party oberliner May 2016 #12
And what did they do? Make matters worse with Superdelegates. CentralCoaster May 2016 #17
Yeah, the Iran hostage crisis killed us. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #18
The Kennedy-Carter fight was not helpful either oberliner May 2016 #19
And yet, I never heard anyone other than political junkies discussing it. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #22
If only Hillary could be like Ted Skink May 2016 #15
Well said. JudyM May 2016 #32
It's significant. HassleCat May 2016 #20
I could not agree more, my dear HassleCat! CaliforniaPeggy May 2016 #23
LOL--Ted almost destroyed the party...it's a stain on the Senate Lion's otherwise formidable MADem May 2016 #21
Or almost saved the party Joe the Revelator May 2016 #26
Oh please. The only people "under the bus" are those who don't feel the Bern. MADem May 2016 #33
Barack isn't Hillary. No matter how much she tries to make it so. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #34
But Barack loves Hillary. And he sees her as continuing his agenda. And that is NOT a LIE. MADem May 2016 #35
So you take an obvious joke,and assume its an endorsement? Joe the Revelator May 2016 #36
It was an "obvious joke" because it's OBVIOUS to anyone who listens that is what will happen. MADem May 2016 #37
Why are Sanders supporters obsessed with 1972 and 1980? NuclearDem May 2016 #24
Yeah, remember who won the presidency. Beacool May 2016 #25
Because we went with the worst candidate in the GE. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #27
There were various reasons, but Ted didn't help matters. Beacool May 2016 #29
Hillary is the presumptive nominee. Sanders is small potatoes. Trust Buster May 2016 #30
The wording of your OP is a bit odd. Are you toying with us? Buzz Clik May 2016 #31
 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
13. Carter was a good POUTS, only GOP people think he wasn't
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

He had some bad deals come down due to bad US involvement that lead to crap starting in Iran. But he was one best Statesmen president we have had.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
5. You mean the convention where the candidate who was ahead in the delegate count
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

won handily on the first ballot? I'm not sure why you think that bolsters your case, but okay.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. That was, like, last century or something, wasn't it?
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:58 PM
May 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]

amborin

(16,631 posts)
7. Bernie & his supporters are in it through the convention, which will be contested.
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:58 PM
May 2016

And Bernie stands an excellent chance of getting the nomination.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
8. Bernie Sanders is no Ted Kennedy
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

Don't ever put Ted Kennedy in the same sentence with Bernie Sanders ever again.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
9. That isn't quite as impressive an example
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

as you might think. Kennedy lost and damaged his political standing within the party.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
17. And what did they do? Make matters worse with Superdelegates.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:06 PM
May 2016

Guess what?

It didn't work, it's not going to work, democracy isn't always pretty.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
20. It's significant.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

Our party needs to appreciate what is happening. There are some lessons here. Almost half the voters who count themselves as Democrats want something other than what we have been giving them for 30 years. Many of the states where Bernie won represent deep blue territory, and are important to the success of the party, particularly down the ballot. The party cannot afford to dismiss voters who are not mainstream registered Democrats. There is a price to be paid by playing with racial politics. I'm sure we will argue about these and many other points for quite a while, but things are not as they were, certainly not what we expected, and we need to figure it out.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. LOL--Ted almost destroyed the party...it's a stain on the Senate Lion's otherwise formidable
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

legacy.

Poor Ted had a serious coke and booze problem around that time, too.

At least he had an excuse....

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
26. Or almost saved the party
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:58 PM
May 2016

But go ahead, throw Teddy under the bus to. If we're going full republican, lets go all out!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. Oh please. The only people "under the bus" are those who don't feel the Bern.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:06 PM
May 2016

Ted Kennedy was rightfully criticized for his behavior, and it -- along with his addiction issues -- ensured he'd reached his terminal rank.


He made the best of it, though, after he came to his senses.

He did a ton of good at his terminal rank, "too."

We were shut out of the Executive Branch for over a decade because of his "shenanigans."

And you seem to forget that Teddy was awfully "Fired UP, and READY TO GO!" in 08; and some of his last utterances were in favor of (gasp) Obamacare.

So if you're loving on Ted, you're loving on Barack, too--funny how that works.


If you hate being a Democrat, no one is holding you hostage, you know.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
34. Barack isn't Hillary. No matter how much she tries to make it so.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

Keep feeding that lie.

I'm a democrat until we nominate a conservative. Then I'm whatever becomes of the real left in this country.

And again, the reason we lost in 80 was because we went with the worst candidate for the GE.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. But Barack loves Hillary. And he sees her as continuing his agenda. And that is NOT a LIE.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016



I agree with Obama--gosh, who could SHE be?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. It was an "obvious joke" because it's OBVIOUS to anyone who listens that is what will happen.
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:03 PM
May 2016

The greatest--and most delicious-- humor can be found in the truth.

It's not an endorsement, necessarily (though I am quite sure Obama wants Clinton to follow him) --it's just common sense, and everyone, save a very small cadre, sees it.

#FeelTheMath is funny, too--because it's an OBVIOUS joke.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
29. There were various reasons, but Ted didn't help matters.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

He should have never ran against a sitting Democratic president.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
31. The wording of your OP is a bit odd. Are you toying with us?
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

A quick glance at the results in 1980 would suggest you are...

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