2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo what does it mean that voters keep giving Bernie wins even though "it's over"?
Sounds to me like a lot of voters are voicing their displeasure with the presumptive nominee. Given the number of these voters is so large, I think it's important their voices are heard. Bernie should stay in the race right up to the convention.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Fraud. That's what it is.
And can you believe they are still giving him money??!!!!111
Gasp
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)And AT TH SAME TIME, trying to deny Americans votes. Classic Hillary supporter
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)First you get banned from the Bernie group.
Then you vote for Bernie in the Primary.
Then you get called a Hillary supporter.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)Don't agee with what you said "Classic Hillary Supporter" lol nvm
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I can vouch for this person in the "Great DU Primary Wars of 2016..." Just because someone is not as heated/upset/as excited as you...
...just because someone might be having a good time in light of a Bernie win...
...does not make that person a "Hillary supporter."
I voted for Bernie, and I've been called a "Hillary supporter" 3 times by Bernie supporters.
Relax. Have fun. Sometimes sarcasm shouldn't need a tag...
qdouble
(891 posts)Right leaning independents and republicans want to give hillary hell. Democrats chose Hillary.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)I think you are highly mistaken
qdouble
(891 posts)I'm saying that right leaning indies and republicans pushed him over the top. Operation chaos.
panader0
(25,816 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)He got a lot of votes.
qdouble
(891 posts)It only takes about 20-40k hillary hating indies and repubs to switch this one to Bernie
artislife
(9,497 posts)who only decided in the last two months to care about this site on ignore. Buh bye.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)We are talking about tens of thousands of voters able to keep a secret while still being organized enough to carry out a large scale campaign. This is as realistic as Republican claims of voter fraud without IDs.
63% of American want a $15 hour minimum wage instead of 12. Most(all?) of Sanders policy positions are in line with the majority of Americans.
There is your answer right there.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)The point the other poster is making is that Republicans in open primary states have a straightforward incentive to vote for Sanders in order to keep his campaign going and distracting Clinton. Then in the general election they go back to voting for the Republican candidate, presumably Donald Trump.
We could easily measure this when the final results come in by seeing whether there is a mismatch between the vote totals for Sanders + Clinton and those for Democratic primary candidates in downticket races. If there is a bias towards selecting a presidential candidate then chances are this is due to Republican participation.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Nobody has jumped ship to pump Bernie on that side.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)every open primary coming up is going to have lots of GOP spoiler votes.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Trump's victory has been regarded as a matter of fact since the Cruz-Kasich alliance crumbled within hours of its announcement. Regardless of what happened today, Republicans have every incentive to disrupt the Democratic primary from this point onwards since their party chair has informally called it for Trump now.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)qdouble
(891 posts)But republicans and right leaning indies pushed him over the top. Primaries should be closed.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)He should and he will stay in it until the convention.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)They will be sadly mistaken.
artislife
(9,497 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Hey frylock, what a great night this is!
frylock
(34,825 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)cureautismnow
(1,676 posts)Before it's all said and done, he'll capture 20+ states.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,415 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)boston bean
(36,222 posts)Again, he has lost already.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)democratic process?
boston bean
(36,222 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Has Hillary called it yet?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that you are. No fracking way. You've disparaged us for too long. And to equate him with Trump just shows your hubris.
qdouble
(891 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)I think it's important that those issues be heard and considered. It's not just about winning and losing, it's about the party coming together to build a winning coalition. Unless Hillary's plan is to exclude our share of the party, and just join with republicans alone (those she can get to cross flaming abyss).
qdouble
(891 posts)more people have a problem with their being nastiness against the presumptive nominee. If Bernie stays in and keeps it cordial and runs a positive campaign like he promised, I doubt there'll be too many calling for him to quit...at least not adamant about it.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)You would think Camp Hillary would be more humble.
frylock
(34,825 posts)This campaign was supposed to be nothing more than a 50-state parade lap. A mere formality.
earthside
(6,960 posts)She has lost already.
Again, she needs to dropout for the good of the nation.
Reality check: it isn't just about HER! It is about what is best for the country.
artislife
(9,497 posts)How many has she lost in the last month?
She's cold, her winning streak has left her. The dog days of summer have arrived.
frylock
(34,825 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Do they think the democratic process is bad? Maybe they are afraid that she hasn't gotten it wrapped up.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Frankly I'm getting tired of you lot yelping that anyone a bit closer to the political center than you is a corpocrat/Republican Lite/DINO etc. etc. which is uninformed bullshit. On the other hand, I'm actively worried about Trump because his stated policy is to send people to kick in my door and break up my family, and I have zero confidence in Bernie Sanders as a candidate against Trump.
onenote
(42,715 posts)That being said, I have absolutely no problem with Sanders remaining in the race through the end of the primaries.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)Some would call it fraud.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Which is bigger than him, bigger than Hillary, more important than this election cycle. We're not going away.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It means nothing. There is no plausible scenario in which Sanders catches up. Additionally a 6% win is likely to leave Sanders relatively speaking further behind in that he didn't meet the 60 something percent threshold to actually make progress given the decrease in the number of remaining delegates.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)...
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Can't they see they're supposed to just roll over and accept what is obviously best for them?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Clinton is still going to be our nominee and is still going to beat Trump's ass in November. Sanders will still be a senator, but now with a (D) after his name. Carly Fiorina still looks like a prat.
Logical
(22,457 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)Onlooker
(5,636 posts)It sounds to me like Democratic voters are not turning out in as large numbers because they know the race is over.