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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:19 PM May 2016

So what does it mean that voters keep giving Bernie wins even though "it's over"?


Sounds to me like a lot of voters are voicing their displeasure with the presumptive nominee. Given the number of these voters is so large, I think it's important their voices are heard. Bernie should stay in the race right up to the convention.
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So what does it mean that voters keep giving Bernie wins even though "it's over"? (Original Post) reformist2 May 2016 OP
Fraud. bigwillq May 2016 #1
Thanks for reminding me to donate another 27 Duckhunter935 May 2016 #12
.... bigwillq May 2016 #16
LOL a Hillary Supporter talking about fraud, Hillaryious Joob May 2016 #41
I'm a Bernie, bro. (nt) bigwillq May 2016 #48
. ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #51
I like to keep them guessing. bigwillq May 2016 #54
was it sarcasm? Either way, I stand by it, was a joke anyways. Not all Hillary supporters like that Joob May 2016 #62
It was a joke, bro bigwillq May 2016 #63
...ummmmmmmmm... ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #49
Open primary qdouble May 2016 #2
oh - so no left leaning indys voted for Bernie?? dana_b May 2016 #8
I didn't say that qdouble May 2016 #14
You sound like a person that listens to Rush panader0 May 2016 #23
never. qdouble May 2016 #32
Did you see Trump's numbers? artislife May 2016 #27
Bernie's margin of victory is not going to be that large.... qdouble May 2016 #36
Sorry, it is my policy to put people artislife May 2016 #42
Operation derp. frylock May 2016 #34
That suggests a level of coordination that would be very visible in the information age. Ash_F May 2016 #55
Much like the GE....funny, that. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #9
No, not at all like the because there there are usually only 2 candidates that matter anigbrowl May 2016 #25
The Indiana republican primary was hotly contested Joe the Revelator May 2016 #26
you're kidding I hope? All the pols had DT taking the state and the nomination tonight..... bettyellen May 2016 #43
I don't agree anigbrowl May 2016 #44
Open primaries let in centrists and left-leaning independents. reformist2 May 2016 #11
Sure, some of those went to him and some to hillary qdouble May 2016 #17
Yep! You got it dana_b May 2016 #3
It means that a lot of non-Democrats in an open primary want trillions in new entitlements. Trust Buster May 2016 #4
Entitlements is a Right Wing word. nt artislife May 2016 #28
Well, if the right wing fits... frylock May 2016 #37
Hee artislife May 2016 #46
It's a celebration! frylock May 2016 #52
I loved Chappelle doing Rick! artislife May 2016 #57
Good stuff! frylock May 2016 #60
entitlments... n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #69
Yep. Watch him take West Virginia next. cureautismnow May 2016 #5
He'll be lucky if he wins Vermont. frylock May 2016 #40
A miracle??? Peregrine Took May 2016 #6
It means it's not over. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #7
Not a god damned thing. For real. He will not be the nominee. boston bean May 2016 #10
If there is no chance, why all the whining for him to quit? Are you afraid? Afraid of the rhett o rick May 2016 #15
Because we don't need him sounding like trump for the next fucking 5 months. boston bean May 2016 #18
Who has the bigger sad... you or Hillary? cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #58
Well why don't you yell at us. Why don't you demand we fall in line like the good lil' soldiers rhett o rick May 2016 #65
No one's afraid. We just want to move on to GE mode as it's obvious Bernie can't win. qdouble May 2016 #19
If he's raising issues important to a large % of the party Kittycat May 2016 #35
I'm not even against him continuing to run... qdouble May 2016 #45
It's a hollow victory indeed if half of the primary voters keep voting against you. reformist2 May 2016 #20
They don't have that setting. frylock May 2016 #50
It means real progressives don't like Hillary. earthside May 2016 #22
And yet, she lost again tonight artislife May 2016 #31
bahahahahahaha!!! frylock May 2016 #47
Why are Hillary fans so desparate for him to drop out? rhett o rick May 2016 #13
Their tone is intolerant, intolerable. All they ever say is "Hillary won-now shut up, fall in line!" reformist2 May 2016 #21
Yep, and it's not gonna happen. TDale313 May 2016 #33
THREE MILLION VOTES!!1!2 frylock May 2016 #56
They judge the Left by how they like to "fall in line". Homey don't play that game. nm rhett o rick May 2016 #64
Nobody's desperate, but we'd like to focus our efforts on defeating Trump rather than Sanders anigbrowl May 2016 #30
Pretty much the same thing it meant when voters gave Clinton wins in 2008 after it was over. onenote May 2016 #24
Because he's lying to them about a path ecstatic May 2016 #29
They're stating their support for his message. TDale313 May 2016 #38
That the demographics of the Indiana Democratic primary favored Sanders? mythology May 2016 #39
What did it mean when Hillary had late wins in '08 over Obama when it was "over"? UMTerp01 May 2016 #53
And all the Clinton News Networks are adding in the supers...They are feeling the BERN..:) litlbilly May 2016 #59
Geez, those pesky voters! Who let them vote? TheDormouse May 2016 #61
In the grand scheme of things very little. Codeine May 2016 #66
It means that Hillary fans are desperate Logical May 2016 #67
It means it's not over. LWolf May 2016 #68
In Indiana, Donald Trump got almost as many votes as Bernie and Hilary combined Onlooker May 2016 #70

Joob

(1,065 posts)
41. LOL a Hillary Supporter talking about fraud, Hillaryious
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

And AT TH SAME TIME, trying to deny Americans votes. Classic Hillary supporter

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
51. .
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016
You are killing me.

First you get banned from the Bernie group.

Then you vote for Bernie in the Primary.

Then you get called a Hillary supporter.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
62. was it sarcasm? Either way, I stand by it, was a joke anyways. Not all Hillary supporters like that
Tue May 3, 2016, 10:45 PM
May 2016

Don't agee with what you said "Classic Hillary Supporter" lol nvm

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
49. ...ummmmmmmmm...
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:43 PM
May 2016

I can vouch for this person in the "Great DU Primary Wars of 2016..." Just because someone is not as heated/upset/as excited as you...
...just because someone might be having a good time in light of a Bernie win...

...does not make that person a "Hillary supporter."

I voted for Bernie, and I've been called a "Hillary supporter" 3 times by Bernie supporters.

Relax. Have fun. Sometimes sarcasm shouldn't need a tag...

qdouble

(891 posts)
2. Open primary
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:21 PM
May 2016

Right leaning independents and republicans want to give hillary hell. Democrats chose Hillary.

qdouble

(891 posts)
14. I didn't say that
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

I'm saying that right leaning indies and republicans pushed him over the top. Operation chaos.

qdouble

(891 posts)
36. Bernie's margin of victory is not going to be that large....
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:38 PM
May 2016

It only takes about 20-40k hillary hating indies and repubs to switch this one to Bernie

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
42. Sorry, it is my policy to put people
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

who only decided in the last two months to care about this site on ignore. Buh bye.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
55. That suggests a level of coordination that would be very visible in the information age.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:46 PM
May 2016

We are talking about tens of thousands of voters able to keep a secret while still being organized enough to carry out a large scale campaign. This is as realistic as Republican claims of voter fraud without IDs.

63% of American want a $15 hour minimum wage instead of 12. Most(all?) of Sanders policy positions are in line with the majority of Americans.

There is your answer right there.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
25. No, not at all like the because there there are usually only 2 candidates that matter
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016

The point the other poster is making is that Republicans in open primary states have a straightforward incentive to vote for Sanders in order to keep his campaign going and distracting Clinton. Then in the general election they go back to voting for the Republican candidate, presumably Donald Trump.

We could easily measure this when the final results come in by seeing whether there is a mismatch between the vote totals for Sanders + Clinton and those for Democratic primary candidates in downticket races. If there is a bias towards selecting a presidential candidate then chances are this is due to Republican participation.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
26. The Indiana republican primary was hotly contested
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:34 PM
May 2016

Nobody has jumped ship to pump Bernie on that side.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
43. you're kidding I hope? All the pols had DT taking the state and the nomination tonight.....
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

every open primary coming up is going to have lots of GOP spoiler votes.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
44. I don't agree
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:40 PM
May 2016

Trump's victory has been regarded as a matter of fact since the Cruz-Kasich alliance crumbled within hours of its announcement. Regardless of what happened today, Republicans have every incentive to disrupt the Democratic primary from this point onwards since their party chair has informally called it for Trump now.

qdouble

(891 posts)
17. Sure, some of those went to him and some to hillary
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

But republicans and right leaning indies pushed him over the top. Primaries should be closed.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
4. It means that a lot of non-Democrats in an open primary want trillions in new entitlements.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:21 PM
May 2016

They will be sadly mistaken.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. If there is no chance, why all the whining for him to quit? Are you afraid? Afraid of the
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

democratic process?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
65. Well why don't you yell at us. Why don't you demand we fall in line like the good lil' soldiers
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

that you are. No fracking way. You've disparaged us for too long. And to equate him with Trump just shows your hubris.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
35. If he's raising issues important to a large % of the party
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:38 PM
May 2016

I think it's important that those issues be heard and considered. It's not just about winning and losing, it's about the party coming together to build a winning coalition. Unless Hillary's plan is to exclude our share of the party, and just join with republicans alone (those she can get to cross flaming abyss).

qdouble

(891 posts)
45. I'm not even against him continuing to run...
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:41 PM
May 2016

more people have a problem with their being nastiness against the presumptive nominee. If Bernie stays in and keeps it cordial and runs a positive campaign like he promised, I doubt there'll be too many calling for him to quit...at least not adamant about it.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
20. It's a hollow victory indeed if half of the primary voters keep voting against you.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:26 PM
May 2016

You would think Camp Hillary would be more humble.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
50. They don't have that setting.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:43 PM
May 2016

This campaign was supposed to be nothing more than a 50-state parade lap. A mere formality.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
22. It means real progressives don't like Hillary.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:29 PM
May 2016

She has lost already.

Again, she needs to dropout for the good of the nation.

Reality check: it isn't just about HER! It is about what is best for the country.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
31. And yet, she lost again tonight
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:37 PM
May 2016

How many has she lost in the last month?

She's cold, her winning streak has left her. The dog days of summer have arrived.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. Why are Hillary fans so desparate for him to drop out?
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

Do they think the democratic process is bad? Maybe they are afraid that she hasn't gotten it wrapped up.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
30. Nobody's desperate, but we'd like to focus our efforts on defeating Trump rather than Sanders
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:37 PM
May 2016

Frankly I'm getting tired of you lot yelping that anyone a bit closer to the political center than you is a corpocrat/Republican Lite/DINO etc. etc. which is uninformed bullshit. On the other hand, I'm actively worried about Trump because his stated policy is to send people to kick in my door and break up my family, and I have zero confidence in Bernie Sanders as a candidate against Trump.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
24. Pretty much the same thing it meant when voters gave Clinton wins in 2008 after it was over.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016

That being said, I have absolutely no problem with Sanders remaining in the race through the end of the primaries.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
38. They're stating their support for his message.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

Which is bigger than him, bigger than Hillary, more important than this election cycle. We're not going away.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
39. That the demographics of the Indiana Democratic primary favored Sanders?
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

It means nothing. There is no plausible scenario in which Sanders catches up. Additionally a 6% win is likely to leave Sanders relatively speaking further behind in that he didn't meet the 60 something percent threshold to actually make progress given the decrease in the number of remaining delegates.

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
61. Geez, those pesky voters! Who let them vote?
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

Can't they see they're supposed to just roll over and accept what is obviously best for them?

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
66. In the grand scheme of things very little.
Tue May 3, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

Clinton is still going to be our nominee and is still going to beat Trump's ass in November. Sanders will still be a senator, but now with a (D) after his name. Carly Fiorina still looks like a prat.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
70. In Indiana, Donald Trump got almost as many votes as Bernie and Hilary combined
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:31 AM
May 2016

It sounds to me like Democratic voters are not turning out in as large numbers because they know the race is over.

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