2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan I contribute something?
I'm in my sixties, protested against the Vietnam war, was a conscientious objector. Whatever...I was there.
What eerily strikes me today is the amount of energy around the "Bernie drop out", "it's over" meme. I remember Eugene McCarthy, even shook his hand. I also remember the 'establishment' pushing a similar meme, math and all. Eugene had no chance. But really, they just couldn't bear his message.
They wished we would all just go away. But Vietnam was not going away. I also remember the Chicago convention. You don't get people to shut up by party loyalty platitudes. The central issue then was the Vietnam war, today it is a bundle of issues, from income inequality to global warming. But it's the sense of dire urgency fueling a real grassroots movement that is the same. In my opinion, it is the future.
You can not 'spain' it away. Learn something from history. It's happening again. It's simply foolish to mock it. People mocked the young then also. Look at history.
Thanks for listening, peace to all
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)to vote for HRC. It all boils down to "vote for us or else".
Dem2
(8,168 posts)No arguments here will change that.
I'd prefer to live in a world where a candidate like Bernie wins the nomination, at this point I don't see that happening.
If the people choose Hillary as the nominee, what is the choice that we're arguing about?
G_j
(40,367 posts)Last edited Wed May 4, 2016, 01:40 AM - Edit history (1)
moral reasons. The alternative would create more suffering, I know people are sick of the " lesser of two evils" but when that's what's on the plate, you may want to choose. It may come down to degrees of suffering, the Republicans here in North Carolina are on a path of unbelievabledestruction, and are seriously 'on the dark side'. Gotta vote them down on every level.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Last edited Wed May 4, 2016, 03:36 AM - Edit history (1)
Me too.
The nation could actually begin to redeem itself in the next couple decades. I hope I'm still around to see where it all takes us.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Every word made sense.
something that's been materializing for a while.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Jimmy Carter stood up to War Inc and Big Oil, but, you know. Oh well. Volunteer Army now. No need to worry about what they do for Freedom. We're Professional slaves now.
more powerful than ever.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)Kissinger had his dirty hands in the affair.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Very eloquent and exactly as I remember it. please contribute more!
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)And I think that is exactly what the Clinton camp is saying.