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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:03 AM May 2016

Can I contribute something?

I'm in my sixties, protested against the Vietnam war, was a conscientious objector. Whatever...I was there.
What eerily strikes me today is the amount of energy around the "Bernie drop out", "it's over" meme. I remember Eugene McCarthy, even shook his hand. I also remember the 'establishment' pushing a similar meme, math and all. Eugene had no chance. But really, they just couldn't bear his message.

They wished we would all just go away. But Vietnam was not going away. I also remember the Chicago convention. You don't get people to shut up by party loyalty platitudes. The central issue then was the Vietnam war, today it is a bundle of issues, from income inequality to global warming. But it's the sense of dire urgency fueling a real grassroots movement that is the same. In my opinion, it is the future.

You can not 'spain' it away. Learn something from history. It's happening again. It's simply foolish to mock it. People mocked the young then also. Look at history.

Thanks for listening, peace to all

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Can I contribute something? (Original Post) G_j May 2016 OP
Yeah, I don't see much in the way of compelling moral arguments Kelvin Mace May 2016 #1
The people are deciding who the nominee will be Dem2 May 2016 #2
Actually there are G_j May 2016 #3
Great post. bjo59 May 2016 #4
"In my opinion, it is the future." pat_k May 2016 #5
I hope you'll contribute more. Betty Karlson May 2016 #6
thanks G_j May 2016 #7
Good post, thank you! JudyM May 2016 #8
It's mostly been Money Trumps Peace Vietnam Style since LBJ. Octafish May 2016 #9
War Inc. G_j May 2016 #13
The bosses rejected McCarthy in favor of Humpty and we got Nixon. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #10
Ironically G_j May 2016 #11
Wonderful contribution! Punkingal May 2016 #12
I am leaving it to Bernie to make the decision. BootinUp May 2016 #14
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
1. Yeah, I don't see much in the way of compelling moral arguments
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:12 AM
May 2016

to vote for HRC. It all boils down to "vote for us or else".

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
2. The people are deciding who the nominee will be
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:21 AM
May 2016

No arguments here will change that.


I'd prefer to live in a world where a candidate like Bernie wins the nomination, at this point I don't see that happening.


If the people choose Hillary as the nominee, what is the choice that we're arguing about?

G_j

(40,367 posts)
3. Actually there are
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:35 AM
May 2016

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moral reasons. The alternative would create more suffering, I know people are sick of the " lesser of two evils" but when that's what's on the plate, you may want to choose. It may come down to degrees of suffering, the Republicans here in North Carolina are on a path of unbelievabledestruction, and are seriously 'on the dark side'. Gotta vote them down on every level.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
5. "In my opinion, it is the future."
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:51 AM
May 2016

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Me too.

The nation could actually begin to redeem itself in the next couple decades. I hope I'm still around to see where it all takes us.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. It's mostly been Money Trumps Peace Vietnam Style since LBJ.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

Jimmy Carter stood up to War Inc and Big Oil, but, you know. Oh well. Volunteer Army now. No need to worry about what they do for Freedom. We're Professional slaves now.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
14. I am leaving it to Bernie to make the decision.
Wed May 4, 2016, 04:37 PM
May 2016

And I think that is exactly what the Clinton camp is saying.

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