2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA short primer on why America distrusts Hillary
More at link........... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/hillary-clinton-says-its-_b_9825650.html
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)/end
Darb
(2,807 posts)The Person of the Year award can go to anyone who has a large place in world events. Hitler got it, fucking duh.
So clue in, most admired is most admired, nothing at all like Time's bullshit game.
Bernie lost, it is time for him to go back and be a Senator. And time for the bernies to find a clue and stop helping Trump via your delusions of a socialist world.
2cannan
(344 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)You see, it is a poll and some people are stupid. Hillary has been at or near the top for quite some time.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)They confuse admiration with notoriety and other ways of having name recognition.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Most admired is a poll of actual people. And consistently, Hillary is at the top. For how many years now?
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)"Spectacular win in Indiana, indeed.
And nice job winning over all those millennials - sorry: the duped complacent sexist and racist hellbound sluts lusting for Berniebros. "
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)Sorry. After all the attacks on her character, she's still winning.
Response to Sparkly (Reply #36)
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gordianot
(15,242 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)She's the single most famous woman on the planet. By what percentage did she win?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Woot!
Demsrule86
(68,600 posts)This post does nothing but help Trump in his quest to destroy this country.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Hillary's favorability numbers called.
It wants her in denial supporters back.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)climbing, no doubt. Deceptive shit like this have you losing the integrity argument.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)If Trump had real guts and visionand if he was serious about winninghe would make that Forbidden Truth the core of his campaign, and keep expanding it: Everyones angry that America is run by the 1%well, Im not just the 1%, Im the 1% of the 1%, and Im the only one who not only knows the tricks of the trade, but wholl let you in on all our dirty little secrets, and change all the rules The Tea Party and the leftists are both right: the whole game is rigged, and were going to blow it up and start fresh.
-- John Eskow http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/14/trumps-self-hatred-will-destroy-his-campaign/
Either they're good friends or she answers when called.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)And that should worry Hillary supporters.
Is he a jackass? Does a bear shit in the woods?
We all know the answer to that question however the fact he is to the left of Hillary on things like trade deals which Hillary FULLY supported, is a huge deal in a GE.
People can only go without jobs so long. NAFTA and the rest have helped the 1-percent and shafted 90 of the 99.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)and they think it's a RW attack when that is exposed.
Demsrule86
(68,600 posts)If Trump is elected, all of Bernies work is over. The revolution is dead.
Kall
(615 posts)is that a lot of Clinton supporters blame Bernie supporters (or Bernie himself) for noting absolutely legitimate instances of Hillary Clinton's dishonesty, bad decisions, poor judgment, or ethical lapses because it's "helping the GOP" (as if it just would have gone unmentioned otherwise) rather than hold her responsible for it.
Mentioning her complete willingness to lie through her teeth for weeks not just about being under Bosnian sniper fire, but to lie about the people who accompanied her and said she wasn't until the video came out, and the impact things like this have on her credibility on the campaign trail, has become a "right-wing smear".
Demsrule86
(68,600 posts)and yes it's bad really bad.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)I'll listen to the crickets while I wait. Thank you.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)This is in the blood of many now. We see it every cycle. It's like a virus that just builds inside of some and they will never, ever, let the hatred go. It's a corruption of the mind.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)who have taken a seat in the corporate bus while millions from my generation are enslaved with student loan debt upwards of $100k.
THAT is corruption. A virus? You best believe it, millions from my generation will never own a home, ever, while politicians like Hillary support thing like backruptcy reform which made it impossible for students to discharge student loan debt.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/elizabeth-warren-on-how-clinton-backed-student-loan-and-mortgage-debt-slavery-with-bankruptcy-reform.html
Why do you think so many are independents?
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)It reminds me of the crazy guy on the street corner that's just going off with a rant constantly, hitting all the bullet points and buzzwords instead of actually engaging with people that are talking around them.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)If I'm the crazy guy on the corner shouting then so be it. I could care less but it doesn't change the fact that many of us are downright fed up and pissed with the establishment and how people like Hillary give speeches for $250k and hold fundraisers for $350k a plate with the Clooney's while myself and many others suffer trying to make ends meat.
You say I hit buzzwords? I say otherwise, education should be 100$ FREE like in a lot of Europe whose kids will never know what it's like to be enslaved in student loan debt.
Do you even realize what it is I am saying? DO YOU? The impact that is coming on the economy when a generation is enslaved to debt before they even have a job will be absolutely staggering. We have a candidate who can't even support a living wage who is running as a supposed Democrat & who hurt students with her support of W's bankruptcy reform.
Sorry, I don't support Dempublicans and I will FIGHT for what I feel is right to make peoples lives better.
If that's screaming like the crazy guy on the corner, I will proudly wear that tag. I'm glad my generation is now the largest voting block. Change is imminent.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Yes that lends itself to reasonable discourse and nuance.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)It's the sewer it always becomes and is largely good for laughs.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Reap the whirlwind.
Demsrule86
(68,600 posts)Let's hope we can win in spite of such useless people.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)betsuni
(25,550 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Mainly because Trump is a superficial blowhard, and Clinton has been under attack by the RW propaganda machine for 35 yrs.
Meanwhile, her real-world trustworthiness is reflected in her overwhelming lead in the Democratic primary race.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...which of the things in that image are RW propaganda? Propaganda generally isn't true.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Not that negative coverage is all propaganda. Good journalists will spend a lot of time explaining why something someone doing is bad, providing context for their audience to make their own judgement.
America is very short on good journalists these days. And bullet points like in the OP, as well as tweeted hashtags & soundbites don't provide a lot of context, and take the audience's ability & opportunity to make their own judgements away from them. That's what propaganda is.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)information about her flip flopping on the issues is rather well documented. This would make it that one can only assume that you and the people who support her are in fact the Low Information Voters.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...just write these non-coerced positions off as some sort of RW narrative. I mean, it is, because she was taking RW positions...but that's not what they mean. Meanwhile, on the majority of those issues you have video of Sanders consistently being on the correct side of these issues, but you know he's never been a Democrat so it doesn't count.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)or something.
Facts and the RW go together like mayo and peanut butter sammich.
They can preach that though & go with that, they look foolish as they try to rewrite and "correct the record".
The internet is forever.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...as president she will face situations where she'll need to get it right the first time. No one gets it right every time, but with a history like this I have no confidence she will in the future.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)but Hillary's lies, distortions and swift boating of Bernie isn't. And somehow the MSM and Hillary supporters keep up the false narrative that they BOTH have to stop being negative. FALSE EQUIVALENCY.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)or something.
Darb
(2,807 posts)That is so farkin dumb I cannot describe it. Now post another blog spot, they are soooooo crucial.
global1
(25,253 posts)If she becomes president and continues that streak of bad judgements - We The People can be in for trouble.
Please - would some Hillary supporter go through the above list and refute the facts as stated. Convince us that they are wrong and in fact we are misjudging her.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)They honestly can't.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)That's just the line she's taking during the campaign season. If, God forbid, she gets
elected she'll swing rightward so fast it'll give you whiplash to watch it. Bernie's message
is kryptonite to her. The backpedaling is embarrassingly transparent.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... poll numbers and creating the distrust narrative.
That's left out of the articles narrative and is the type of tripe one could expect from the right wing
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...those are positions she has taken over the years.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... evolved on voting FOR the CFMA so changing ones mind and admitting mistakes is something they both do.
Sanders sanctimonious attitude is what is turning people off of the far left... Nader and Sanders seem very self centered and sanctimonious type of people.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...do you have others? The point of the article is that she gets it wrong WAY more often than she gets it right. While what you say is true, everyone changes their positions on things, the degree to which she has versus him is not even comparable.
Wouldn't you rather have someone get it right the first time than someone who has to reflect on it 20 years later and say, "Oh crap, what have I done?" while the damage has already been done?
Joob
(1,065 posts)She apologizes more than a new guy working his first shift at Mcdonalds
Sad really
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)eom
pinebox
(5,761 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)She is a weak and deeply flawed candidate.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)It's just that she almost inevitably makes the wrong choice when whenever confronted with one.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Likewise if she was a racist Reality show star. Funny how much more accomplished a woman can actually be, and still dudes get so much credit. Amazing, and sad.
jillan
(39,451 posts)She was only kidding when she said coal mines need to be closed now.
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)Thanks for the thread, pinebox.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)she's got a D by her name! So there's that ...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)No?
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)you can no longer trash Hillary here?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)BootinUp
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highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)No. All of these 'errors in judgement' are due to her siding with big money donations.
This also examples of howt she has been lying whe she says the Wall Street speech $$ won't influence her decisions..........pleeese
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)If she and Paul Ryan get to work together for four years, god help us