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A short primer on why America distrusts Hillary (Original Post) pinebox May 2016 OP
K&R!!! Katashi_itto May 2016 #1
Most Admired Woman in World, Record 20th Time Gallup, December 2015. stonecutter357 May 2016 #2
That carries about as much weight as this pinebox May 2016 #3
Another bernie without a grasp on reality. Darb May 2016 #18
Trump ties with Pope Francis in U.S. poll for second most-admired man in the world 2cannan May 2016 #44
Tied for second, that is about right. Darb May 2016 #58
No, it just shows Time to be the water-carrier of the establishment. Betty Karlson May 2016 #47
No confusion, Time is all notoriety. Darb May 2016 #57
Quote you Katashi_itto May 2016 #63
A corporate media a corporate candidate ....so. bkkyosemite May 2016 #26
Please try to stick to the subject of the OP and address each point present there. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #34
Right. "AMERICA" distrusts her?!? Sparkly May 2016 #36
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #48
Congratulations Hillary did edge out Sarah Palin this year by one percentage point. gordianot May 2016 #38
Running for President is a popularity contest? I did not know that. berni_mccoy May 2016 #54
you do now. stonecutter357 May 2016 #62
BFD frylock May 2016 #65
If she keeps staying in the top 10 she might eventually catch up to Thatcher! bunnies May 2016 #77
Another reason for Bernie to get out: posts like this. Demsrule86 May 2016 #4
I'm sorry but pinebox May 2016 #6
you supply a graph edited to leave out the last couple of months? because Clintons numbers are bettyellen May 2016 #72
If Hillary Clinton can't stand up to the facts, what chance does she really have? Octafish May 2016 #9
Trump is now pivoting to the left of Hillary as discussed this AM on MSNBC pinebox May 2016 #15
Yup. Octafish May 2016 #21
So telling the truth is now a bad thing? bigwillq May 2016 #14
They're upset because Hillary has poor judgement pinebox May 2016 #16
I can't imagine how Bernie can have such poor judgement as to to help Trump Demsrule86 May 2016 #68
The sad thing Kall May 2016 #80
It is not truthful Demsrule86 May 2016 #67
Which part or parts, specifically, aren't truthdful? LondonReign2 May 2016 #71
No, it started being a bad thing about a year ago. (nt) jeff47 May 2016 #89
It'll go on long past when he departs the primary Blue_Adept May 2016 #19
The only corruption here is politicians pinebox May 2016 #22
I love your posts Blue_Adept May 2016 #35
Ya it's crazy isn't it pinebox May 2016 #39
You mean constructively engaging with statements like this?...... Armstead May 2016 #43
Oh, GDP has long sailed past the reasonable discourse side Blue_Adept May 2016 #45
It started with gems like 'Not Good Enough, Bernie' frylock May 2016 #66
Very true Demsrule86 May 2016 #69
No. This proves we need Bernie more than ever Ferd Berfel May 2016 #86
"I know you hate reality. ... Obviously someone has raised blood pressure." betsuni May 2016 #5
Low information voters distrust Hillary. They're the same people who love Trump. baldguy May 2016 #7
Just curious... TCJ70 May 2016 #10
It can be true or not true. The only requirement for propaganda to work is that it be negetive. baldguy May 2016 #56
Tell us, how much of the stuff in the OP do low info voters need to know in order to vote for her? n ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #37
Low information voters usually trusts people they shouldn't, like in this case Hillary. Where the insta8er May 2016 #83
Yep. A history of being on the wrong side of things, and her supporters... TCJ70 May 2016 #8
Yup. Suddenly facts are RW attacks pinebox May 2016 #13
What's even worse is that... TCJ70 May 2016 #24
Right? Hillary's bad judgement is like a laundry list of "I'm sorry". pinebox May 2016 #25
Pointing out Hillary's "mistakes" and lack of judgement they consider to be "negative attacks" pdsimdars May 2016 #11
Correct. Any time you point out Hillary's bad judgement it's sexist pinebox May 2016 #12
Genius ploy..................NOT. Darb May 2016 #17
How Could Any Supporter Defend Her Record Of Bad Judgements?.... global1 May 2016 #20
They can't pinebox May 2016 #23
The sad thing is, she doesn't consider those things as mistakes farleftlib May 2016 #55
Bernie is a much better candidate then Hillary. bkkyosemite May 2016 #27
There's no comparison pinebox May 2016 #28
More right wing tripe uponit7771 May 2016 #29
Which parts are inaccurate portrayals of her policy stances over the years? n/t TCJ70 May 2016 #31
The title itself is sophistry seeing the GOP spent millions of tax payer money on lowering her uponit7771 May 2016 #46
Ok, so you don't debate the content... TCJ70 May 2016 #49
Yes, even the context is full of the type of sophistry the title has in it. For instance Sanders has uponit7771 May 2016 #50
OK, so that's one example... TCJ70 May 2016 #53
Hillary 2016: "I'm Sorry" Joob May 2016 #30
Mmmmhmmmmm pinebox May 2016 #32
"Bawwww right wing smearing, right wing smearing why are you doing the repukes jobs for them" VulgarPoet May 2016 #33
Facts apparently now have a RW bias or something. pinebox May 2016 #40
Either that, or "you're just calling us uninformed". VulgarPoet May 2016 #41
There's only one answer pinebox May 2016 #42
Yes - because the Right Wing would smear Hillary Maedhros May 2016 #82
+1 VulgarPoet May 2016 #91
Got a new one each week. She was about putting coal miners out of work, now it was a missstatement! EndElectoral May 2016 #51
She gained national prominence due to marriage, not hard work. tabasco May 2016 #52
Oh, I have no doubt whatsoever she is a hard worker LondonReign2 May 2016 #73
if she had no real job yet at age 40.....and an out of wedlock baby, she would be considered unfit. bettyellen May 2016 #81
They need to add coal mining to that meme. She just flipped on that as well. jillan May 2016 #59
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #60
She lies, she conceals, she flip flops, she's thoroughly corrupt, but, hey -- Arugula Latte May 2016 #61
Hard Choices based on "What's in it for me?" Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #64
Has she apologized yet for Henry Kissinger? For PNAC supporting her/ LondonReign2 May 2016 #70
pinebox, have you thought about what you are going to do after BootinUp May 2016 #74
I have. NurseJackie May 2016 #79
Have you thought about what you'll do when Bernie wins? pinebox May 2016 #85
I admire your fortitude. nt BootinUp May 2016 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj May 2016 #75
That's not a very SHORT primer. Seems well long enough to me. highprincipleswork May 2016 #76
Has she ever made a "hard choice" that turned out to be correct? arcane1 May 2016 #78
a question of Judgement? Ferd Berfel May 2016 #84
K & R AzDar May 2016 #88
Her lifetime of experience is 30 years of bad decisions and political waffling. No moral center Doctor_J May 2016 #90
 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
18. Another bernie without a grasp on reality.
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:34 AM
May 2016

The Person of the Year award can go to anyone who has a large place in world events. Hitler got it, fucking duh.

So clue in, most admired is most admired, nothing at all like Time's bullshit game.

Bernie lost, it is time for him to go back and be a Senator. And time for the bernies to find a clue and stop helping Trump via your delusions of a socialist world.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
58. Tied for second, that is about right.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

You see, it is a poll and some people are stupid. Hillary has been at or near the top for quite some time.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
47. No, it just shows Time to be the water-carrier of the establishment.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016

They confuse admiration with notoriety and other ways of having name recognition.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
57. No confusion, Time is all notoriety.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

Most admired is a poll of actual people. And consistently, Hillary is at the top. For how many years now?

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
63. Quote you
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:29 PM
May 2016

"Spectacular win in Indiana, indeed.

And nice job winning over all those millennials - sorry: the duped complacent sexist and racist hellbound sluts lusting for Berniebros. "

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
36. Right. "AMERICA" distrusts her?!?
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

Sorry. After all the attacks on her character, she's still winning.

Response to Sparkly (Reply #36)

Demsrule86

(68,600 posts)
4. Another reason for Bernie to get out: posts like this.
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:14 AM
May 2016

This post does nothing but help Trump in his quest to destroy this country.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
72. you supply a graph edited to leave out the last couple of months? because Clintons numbers are
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

climbing, no doubt. Deceptive shit like this have you losing the integrity argument.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. If Hillary Clinton can't stand up to the facts, what chance does she really have?
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016


As CounterPunch’s Mike Whitney wisely pointed out, Trump did America an enormous favor in that ten-second stretch of epic truth-telling at the Fox debate–when he breezily admitted that Hillary Clinton “had” to attend his wedding, not because she cares about him, but because he buys, sells, and trades the Hillary Clintons of the world like a twelve-year-old playing Fantasy Football. In a sane America, Trump’s forbidden truth would have upended the whole political dialogue–but CNN and MSNBC studiously ignored it and spent five whole days chasing updates on the Megan Kelly “bleeding” remark instead.

If Trump had real guts and vision–and if he was serious about winning–he would make that Forbidden Truth the core of his campaign, and keep expanding it: “Everyone’s angry that America is run by the 1%–well, I’m not just the 1%, I’m the 1% of the 1%, and I’m the only one who not only knows the tricks of the trade, but who’ll let you in on all our dirty little secrets, and change all the rules…The Tea Party and the leftists are both right: the whole game is rigged, and we’re going to blow it up and start fresh.”

-- John Eskow http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/14/trumps-self-hatred-will-destroy-his-campaign/


Either they're good friends or she answers when called.
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
15. Trump is now pivoting to the left of Hillary as discussed this AM on MSNBC
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:31 AM
May 2016

And that should worry Hillary supporters.
Is he a jackass? Does a bear shit in the woods?
We all know the answer to that question however the fact he is to the left of Hillary on things like trade deals which Hillary FULLY supported, is a huge deal in a GE.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. Yup.
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:38 AM
May 2016

People can only go without jobs so long. NAFTA and the rest have helped the 1-percent and shafted 90 of the 99.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
16. They're upset because Hillary has poor judgement
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:31 AM
May 2016

and they think it's a RW attack when that is exposed.

Demsrule86

(68,600 posts)
68. I can't imagine how Bernie can have such poor judgement as to to help Trump
Wed May 4, 2016, 02:56 PM
May 2016

If Trump is elected, all of Bernies work is over. The revolution is dead.

Kall

(615 posts)
80. The sad thing
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

is that a lot of Clinton supporters blame Bernie supporters (or Bernie himself) for noting absolutely legitimate instances of Hillary Clinton's dishonesty, bad decisions, poor judgment, or ethical lapses because it's "helping the GOP" (as if it just would have gone unmentioned otherwise) rather than hold her responsible for it.

Mentioning her complete willingness to lie through her teeth for weeks not just about being under Bosnian sniper fire, but to lie about the people who accompanied her and said she wasn't until the video came out, and the impact things like this have on her credibility on the campaign trail, has become a "right-wing smear".

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
71. Which part or parts, specifically, aren't truthdful?
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

I'll listen to the crickets while I wait. Thank you.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
19. It'll go on long past when he departs the primary
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016

This is in the blood of many now. We see it every cycle. It's like a virus that just builds inside of some and they will never, ever, let the hatred go. It's a corruption of the mind.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
22. The only corruption here is politicians
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:43 AM
May 2016

who have taken a seat in the corporate bus while millions from my generation are enslaved with student loan debt upwards of $100k.

THAT is corruption. A virus? You best believe it, millions from my generation will never own a home, ever, while politicians like Hillary support thing like backruptcy reform which made it impossible for students to discharge student loan debt.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/elizabeth-warren-on-how-clinton-backed-student-loan-and-mortgage-debt-slavery-with-bankruptcy-reform.html

Why do you think so many are independents?

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
35. I love your posts
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:23 AM
May 2016

It reminds me of the crazy guy on the street corner that's just going off with a rant constantly, hitting all the bullet points and buzzwords instead of actually engaging with people that are talking around them.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
39. Ya it's crazy isn't it
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:34 AM
May 2016

If I'm the crazy guy on the corner shouting then so be it. I could care less but it doesn't change the fact that many of us are downright fed up and pissed with the establishment and how people like Hillary give speeches for $250k and hold fundraisers for $350k a plate with the Clooney's while myself and many others suffer trying to make ends meat.

You say I hit buzzwords? I say otherwise, education should be 100$ FREE like in a lot of Europe whose kids will never know what it's like to be enslaved in student loan debt.

Do you even realize what it is I am saying? DO YOU? The impact that is coming on the economy when a generation is enslaved to debt before they even have a job will be absolutely staggering. We have a candidate who can't even support a living wage who is running as a supposed Democrat & who hurt students with her support of W's bankruptcy reform.

Sorry, I don't support Dempublicans and I will FIGHT for what I feel is right to make peoples lives better.

If that's screaming like the crazy guy on the corner, I will proudly wear that tag. I'm glad my generation is now the largest voting block. Change is imminent.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
43. You mean constructively engaging with statements like this?......
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:39 AM
May 2016
It's like a virus that just builds inside of some and they will never, ever, let the hatred go. It's a corruption of the mind.


Yes that lends itself to reasonable discourse and nuance.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
45. Oh, GDP has long sailed past the reasonable discourse side
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

It's the sewer it always becomes and is largely good for laughs.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
7. Low information voters distrust Hillary. They're the same people who love Trump.
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:18 AM
May 2016

Mainly because Trump is a superficial blowhard, and Clinton has been under attack by the RW propaganda machine for 35 yrs.

Meanwhile, her real-world trustworthiness is reflected in her overwhelming lead in the Democratic primary race.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
10. Just curious...
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:21 AM
May 2016

...which of the things in that image are RW propaganda? Propaganda generally isn't true.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
56. It can be true or not true. The only requirement for propaganda to work is that it be negetive.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

Not that negative coverage is all propaganda. Good journalists will spend a lot of time explaining why something someone doing is bad, providing context for their audience to make their own judgement.

America is very short on good journalists these days. And bullet points like in the OP, as well as tweeted hashtags & soundbites don't provide a lot of context, and take the audience's ability & opportunity to make their own judgements away from them. That's what propaganda is.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
37. Tell us, how much of the stuff in the OP do low info voters need to know in order to vote for her? n
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016
 

insta8er

(960 posts)
83. Low information voters usually trusts people they shouldn't, like in this case Hillary. Where the
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:53 PM
May 2016

information about her flip flopping on the issues is rather well documented. This would make it that one can only assume that you and the people who support her are in fact the Low Information Voters.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
8. Yep. A history of being on the wrong side of things, and her supporters...
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

...just write these non-coerced positions off as some sort of RW narrative. I mean, it is, because she was taking RW positions...but that's not what they mean. Meanwhile, on the majority of those issues you have video of Sanders consistently being on the correct side of these issues, but you know he's never been a Democrat so it doesn't count.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
13. Yup. Suddenly facts are RW attacks
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

or something.

Facts and the RW go together like mayo and peanut butter sammich.

They can preach that though & go with that, they look foolish as they try to rewrite and "correct the record".
The internet is forever.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
24. What's even worse is that...
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:44 AM
May 2016

...as president she will face situations where she'll need to get it right the first time. No one gets it right every time, but with a history like this I have no confidence she will in the future.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
11. Pointing out Hillary's "mistakes" and lack of judgement they consider to be "negative attacks"
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:27 AM
May 2016

but Hillary's lies, distortions and swift boating of Bernie isn't. And somehow the MSM and Hillary supporters keep up the false narrative that they BOTH have to stop being negative. FALSE EQUIVALENCY.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
17. Genius ploy..................NOT.
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:32 AM
May 2016

That is so farkin dumb I cannot describe it. Now post another blog spot, they are soooooo crucial.

global1

(25,253 posts)
20. How Could Any Supporter Defend Her Record Of Bad Judgements?....
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016

If she becomes president and continues that streak of bad judgements - We The People can be in for trouble.

Please - would some Hillary supporter go through the above list and refute the facts as stated. Convince us that they are wrong and in fact we are misjudging her.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
55. The sad thing is, she doesn't consider those things as mistakes
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:03 AM
May 2016

That's just the line she's taking during the campaign season. If, God forbid, she gets
elected she'll swing rightward so fast it'll give you whiplash to watch it. Bernie's message
is kryptonite to her. The backpedaling is embarrassingly transparent.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
46. The title itself is sophistry seeing the GOP spent millions of tax payer money on lowering her
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:37 AM
May 2016

... poll numbers and creating the distrust narrative.

That's left out of the articles narrative and is the type of tripe one could expect from the right wing

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
50. Yes, even the context is full of the type of sophistry the title has in it. For instance Sanders has
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:50 AM
May 2016

... evolved on voting FOR the CFMA so changing ones mind and admitting mistakes is something they both do.

Sanders sanctimonious attitude is what is turning people off of the far left... Nader and Sanders seem very self centered and sanctimonious type of people.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
53. OK, so that's one example...
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

...do you have others? The point of the article is that she gets it wrong WAY more often than she gets it right. While what you say is true, everyone changes their positions on things, the degree to which she has versus him is not even comparable.

Wouldn't you rather have someone get it right the first time than someone who has to reflect on it 20 years later and say, "Oh crap, what have I done?" while the damage has already been done?

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
52. She gained national prominence due to marriage, not hard work.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:53 AM
May 2016

She is a weak and deeply flawed candidate.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
73. Oh, I have no doubt whatsoever she is a hard worker
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

It's just that she almost inevitably makes the wrong choice when whenever confronted with one.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
81. if she had no real job yet at age 40.....and an out of wedlock baby, she would be considered unfit.
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

Likewise if she was a racist Reality show star. Funny how much more accomplished a woman can actually be, and still dudes get so much credit. Amazing, and sad.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
59. They need to add coal mining to that meme. She just flipped on that as well.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:40 AM
May 2016

She was only kidding when she said coal mines need to be closed now.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
61. She lies, she conceals, she flip flops, she's thoroughly corrupt, but, hey --
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:15 PM
May 2016

she's got a D by her name! So there's that ...

Response to pinebox (Original post)

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
84. a question of Judgement?
Wed May 4, 2016, 03:57 PM
May 2016

No. All of these 'errors in judgement' are due to her siding with big money donations.

This also examples of howt she has been lying whe she says the Wall Street speech $$ won't influence her decisions..........pleeese


 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
90. Her lifetime of experience is 30 years of bad decisions and political waffling. No moral center
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

If she and Paul Ryan get to work together for four years, god help us

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