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pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 08:49 AM May 2016

This feminist is sticking with Bernie Sanders: Why Hillary backers need to take another long, honest

Before it's too late, my fellow feminists need to reconsider Clinton, ignore the peer pressure, and vote on issues
Marie Myung-Ok Lee

A week after the New York primary, I had lunch with a colleague whom I hadn’t seen for a year. We are both avowed feminists and members of a joke secret society, Women Who Get Shit Done (we have badges, that’s about it); she started talking about having voted for Hillary Clinton, in that confiding way one does when presuming the other person feels the same. I had to stop her and gently let her know that I had voted for Bernie, and even with the (contested) results in, I was still Sanders. She immediately backtracked and revealed, as if disclosing a shameful secret, that “Bernie’s positions” — voted against the Iraq, against fracking, for banking regulation — “align much closer to my own than Hillary’s.” Why on earth vote for Hillary then? I asked, astounded. The best she could come up with was “My daughter really wants me to vote for Hillary.”

My friend, novelist Holly LeCraw, and I started a public endorsement group, Writers 4 Bernie, and we’re finding that although Bernie supporters are out there, many aren’t “out.” It’s a dirty secret, it seems, to not vote “feminist”; a famous writer who has spoken publicly in favor of Bernie declined to join our group because “my wife is for Hillary.” Scores of people I know are “for” Bernie but don’t want to make these views public. A few described themselves as “reluctant Hillary voters” because they, like my friend, like Bernie’s positions better but feel the need to “unite” behind Hillary. There were a few mutterings that we should have called our group Writers Against Trump.

A Trump presidency is indeed not an impossibility. But if that happens, it’s not on Writers4Bernie; it’s on Hillary for being a weak candidate. And likely on the DNC for not supporting the candidate who polls stronger against all three of the Republicans–Bernie beats Trump by double digits while Hillary is within the margin of error against Trump and loses to Kasich. Simply put, the superdelegate system and closed primaries may succeed in pushing Clinton to victory as the party’s nominee, but it’s at the peril of wishing away the most recent Gallup poll that showed a record 43% of American voters identify as independents, a demographic that overwhelmingly prefers Bernie, as seen in his sweeping wins in the caucuses and open primaries where independents are allowed to vote. So why stick to an outdated, confusing, likely corrupt nominating process that ignores voters’ actual preferences?


http://www.salon.com/2016/05/04/this_feminist_is_sticking_with_bernie_sanders_why_hillary_backers_need_to_take_another_long_honest_look/

This feminist is sticking with Bernie Sanders too.
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islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
1. All Hail the Party!! Submit !! Get in Line !! Be a Good Democrat !!
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:03 AM
May 2016

Do Not Interfere With the Coronation In Any Way !!

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. Im sticking with Hillary.
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:05 AM
May 2016

It will be a joy for feminists everywhere to see a strong woman pulverize an MRA douche bigot.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
4. Bernie's "positions" -- like Greens, Socialists, Communists -- are one thing.
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:17 AM
May 2016

They are separate and distinct from the reality of governance.

As for the general election, nobody's laid a glove on Sanders. Clinton has taken attacks from all sides. Even so, she is polling double digits ahead of Trump.

Were Sanders to get the nomination, Republicans would rake him over the coals, scaring the bejeezus out of people by comparing him to Stalin, Marx and Lenin and saying he wants the US to be like Cuba, China or Russia where people are oppressed. Not to mention they'd find something -- anything -- in his "closet" that we haven't even heard yet and turn it into a huge character issue and/or scandal.

Let's not kid ourselves, please.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
5. I'm Not Afraid of Made Up Scandals Against Bernie
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:31 AM
May 2016

but I am afraid of the real scandals that we know already exist in Clinton's closet.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
7. He hasn't even released his tax returns.
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:38 AM
May 2016

We don't know everything he ever did or said going back to when he was a teenager.

His marriage hasn't been picked apart and criticized from all directions.

We haven't seen thousands of his emails.

And the GOP would love to hit him over the head with the word "Socialist."

Let's just be real about this.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
8. You incorrectly assume that the lack of solid attacks against Bernie is because noone's bothered.
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

There's just a helluva lot more to attack Hillary on, mostly her own poor judgment.

But I am sure you will not recognize this as any part of the cause of the differential.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
9. In my view, you incorrectly assume there's nothing to attack him with.
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

They lay off the candidate they WANT to run against. It's how the game is played.

(Remember how much they propped up John Edwards?)

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
11. I make no assumptions about Bernie because I have no knowledge, just a history of generally being
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:59 AM
May 2016

a more honorable person, AFAIK.

There is just so much that Hillary has done sneakily, disingenuously, breaking laws... You can take issue with all of that as not being accurate, but IMV there is no comparison who there will be more dirt on because with her it's already there, and since she has been a demonstrated liar, I assume the chances are that there is likely a lot more.

Her double-dealing as SOS is a deal breaker for me. No one should be in office who has such a dearth of ethics.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
10. Same. I don't want a Margaret Thatcher type in office.
Wed May 4, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

So many women seem ok with Hillary's hawkishness, her support for private prisons and the drug war, her willingness to use children as pawns to 'send a message', her willingness to bargain on reproductive rights... I could go on.

Just being a woman doesn't make one a feminist.

Hillary is no feminist by my definition of the word.

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