previous because an honest person is running against an dishonest person. I suppose that is why all the comments.

You're about to get shellacked. The anger of some Bernie supporters is off the charts. Judging by what they post here, they hate Hillary more than they hate Trump. Think about THAT.

....and not about Bernie supporters.

Way to g--

Wait a minute..

I don't respect people who are for war.

I don't respect people who are so easily bought/sold.

I don't respect people who will do/say anything to get elected with no plans to follow through.

I don't respect people who try and hide behind their gender to cover up their flaws.

I don't think she has earned a morsel of respect.

I am being very civil by simply saying she doesn't deserve respect, far more civil than she was when she twice plunged the middle east into chaos.

Even if lately enforcement of those standards has gone to hell during primary season.

I think its a real challenge, but we all need to keep this in mind.

If you don't wish to be contradicted... don't post.

I recognized you were referring mainly to people's references/opinions about candidates.

That's why I said that respect towards other users, in the form of CIVIL disagreement if that wasn't clear, was the original Community Standard, and is still, at least in writing, is part of the Community Standards people are supposed to read.

Not ad-hominem. Not personal attacks against another user. Not accusing people who dare to have the audacity to express their opinions of being shills, bros, bots, or any form of disruptor -- you can email a member of MIR you know and let them know if you really think that's what's happening, but otherwise if that's the best argument you've got maybe it's time to move to the next post or next thread.

Who must EARN respect.. a respect which has not been earned.

Take care of yourself.

Civility is what is about to allow the democrats to put an unelectable candidate at the top of their ticket and create President Trump b/c too many people (including Bernie) have wanted to be civil and not call out liars, shills and people who are just plain willfully ignoring facts.

... I sadly must take your opinions on DU's past traditions of civility towards each other with a grain of salt.

For the rules in place in 2008, here's a blast from the past.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511883321

I know you all like to hide in your bubble safe from contradiction and facts.

But, you are about to elect donald trump as president, so it is time to wake up.

... better, at least towards each other, than the Rethugligans did in their food fights.... er, debates?

I know they CAN. The trouble is, people aren't. On both sides, not just against any one candidate.

I put as much faith in political parties as I do religions

And I have as much respect for people who adhere to political parties as I do those who preach religion.

And I plan to go there if this party makes the mistakes of picking an unelectable candidate.

Now, just so you understand, a lot of the reason I am pissed off about how DU's civility standards have fallen is that someone accused me. a DUer for eight years and without a single hide or removed post ever, of making my posts on some asigned "shift", and spoke of alleged websites where people are voluntarily doing just that.

All for having the farking audacity to state my opinion, because it was pro-Hillary.

I've been here long enough to not have to deal with that shit, but truthfully no one should. Yet here you are, on this forum called Democratic Underground, saying you're not a Democrat, saying you're an independent, saying you have no concept of party unity, referencing forums by acronym like the ones that spawned the hideous PUMA idiots in 2008.

And I'm the one accused of shilling or otherwise disrupting for stating my opinion.

Talk about not deserving respect

So I can't vote for Clinton or Trump.

Why are you here?

I know why I am.

Which is the choice of the majority of this community.

If this community lurches to the right by choosing Clinton, I will not longer be part of this community and vote for a liberal.

They are, after all, condoning so many of the horrible things liberals have been fighting against for decades.

I will try to be civil, but I won't pull punches.

They're supporting a candidate who stands against a number of things I consider essential for the nation's future. I should probably be less of a raging bitch to (most of) them, but I hold rather passionate views on these matters. Shit happens...

I'm going to try and unwind with some Western Swing and Podnah's barbecue on Saturday.

This is a website for Democrats, and if you think people like me who have been Democrats their whole lives and worked on a ton of campaigns is your enemy, then I just don't think you're in the right place.

the coup in Honduras, the private prison industry, corporate financing of candidates, and Henry Kissinger as a mentor.

May have left out a couple.

Some of us care about this shit.

Way too many of them . . . . astroturf

Respect is earned, and too many have lost said respect for advocating the continued destruction of our Earth, and the continued needless deaths of our service members. I cannot be civil towards people who would use me as a pawn for neo-colonial interventionism. Not anymore.

ETA: You can't watch people get slandered as everything from hardcore communists to tea partiers, and then ask those same people for civility towards their attackers.

Vulgar and hateful unfortunately become part of the landscape. If Hillary wanted it to be otherwise she wouldn't hire people like Sid Blumenthal and David Brock.

If Bernie drops out it may be less heated here but until then I doubt it.

Many of his supporters feel the system is corrupt and that somehow Bernie is getting robbed and so they are getting robbed as well.

I don't agree but it is what it is. I still Rec for you

Its pure fantasy and wishful thinking.

investigated by the FBI and no one knows when that will end in a decision. So we are supposed to set here and support her nomination with no verdict in this case? Maybe this is why we have never had a candidate in history that was indicted running in an election.

She is not liked and she has won by getting a lot of her votes from states that will never go for a Democratic candidate in the GE (southern states).

So we are supposed to let the Super-Delegates side with a person who is not doing as well as it looks? If this was all turned around and it was Bernie being investigated who would not drop out until it was too late to pick an honest candidate how would you feel? In fact a lot of Hillary's supporters are already calling for him to drop out.

I don't think you can assume that this hashtag issue is not a legitimate campaign to get Hillary to recognize her vulnerability in the election before we enter the GE with a candidate who cannot finish it out.

I have been a luke warm Clinton supporter. The stuff you mentioned has turned from a whisper to a louder sound in my head.

In any event if Bernie was nominated I would fight hard for him.

the whole campaign. . . and then you turn around from stabbing him in the back and want peace.
Let's see the Clinton campaign stop with the lies and smears and the DUers here stop the constant harassment and condescension. If you do that, I think you'd find things turn around all by themselves. You reap what you sow. If you don't like it, change your ways. Period!

to just sit by and allow continual untruths, misinformation, and nasty trashing of our candidate to go unchallenged. We will not!!

truth is where we are becoming them.

I was going to write a song parody listing every nasty stunt the Clintons have pulled in the last 25 years but there were so many I couldn't remember all of them and I wanted to make certain I had them in chronological order. So the project will have to go on the back burner for now, but I felt the title was an appropriate response to your OP.

for the effort hertopos. Lately I've done far more reading here than posting so I can avoid being attacked (I'm sure others are doing the same). The other day I posted a news report about Sanders visit to my state and some person who also lives in my state felt the need to jump into the thread and make disparaging remarks. They kept trying to get me and others to fight with them. It was the strangest encounter I've had yet. They were just spoiling for a fight over nothing. I hadn't criticized their candidate and didn't even mention Sec. Clinton except at the end of the thread while talking with a Sanders supporter. I said I thought she would probably win my state because it was a closed primary.

Going forward I'm just not going to respond to people like that PERIOD. Trying to reason with them does no good and only invites more insults from them. Whatever you say they twist it around to attack you. Sadly there are people like that in both camps. I don't know if they are trolls or just very unhappy people who are lashing out at others? But life is far too short to waste on feuding with anonymous people on the internet who are full of themselves.

Dear Hertopos,

I really wish this post was placed back then when Clinton supporters immediately attacked Sanders calling for him to leave the race, after the first day of actual primary voting.

I tend to find the #DropoutHillary tweets to be vulgar and childish, though I also acknowledge that it is in direct relation to the point I have placed prior. I mean it has been quite a while since they have started the operation drop out Bernie. I have noted the tone is different.

Neither side is innocent in terms of being vulgar and hateful. It is why I tend to concentrate on what the campaigns themselves do rather than their supporters.

Unfortunately, I also find that those that say they are being civil tend to not see how offensive they are being. As such, it is best to look at the person in the mirror.

So all those accusations and intimations, that his supporters were racists, sexists, complacent millennials, negligeable keyboard-warriors, hellbound sluts (as per Madelein Albright and Gloria Steinem) lusting for those mythical "Berniebros", f*cking retarded pony-wanters who want to ride unicorns or vice-versa, spiteful RW conspiracy parts who want free stuff:

al that didn't happen? That wasn't vulgar and hateful? That was a token of respect?

I can't speak for the sadness in your heart, dear old Asian lady. But methinks your judgement and / or memory are cause for greater concerns.

I got a big bunch of "fuck you," "you don't belong," and "go away."

This place is full of OPs attacking Sanders voters--not Sanders himself, just voters. Usually directly, sometimes by insinuaton. Here are a few examples: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511906657 http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511748904 http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511626320 http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511906230 I could provide plenty more from my trash can. Then you have, of course, the relentless smug comments that Sanders voters are too stupid to understand math, aren't real democrats, and have no business even being here.

I get that a lot of anger is directed at Clinton and the DNC with the posts around here, but those are people actually in positions of power--they're the ones we're supposed to direct our anger at when things are wrong. Things are very obviously wrong when we can't feed all the kids but we can send them to prison for life. And I'm perfectly fine with anger directed at Sanders since he's also in a position of power.

But attacks against voters are beyond the pale and create the majority of conflict around here, and almost all of them come from a small gang out of the HRC group. If you want to make some real headway in your appeal for peace, you'll probably make more headway by starting over there.

Almost none of your compatriots will act as you propose. Unilateral disarmament is for fools and the vanquished. I am neither.

…but thanks for your concern, OP.

AND they are still posting.

THAT ought to speak volumes to EVERYONE here on DU.

But I try to be civil until someone is uncivil towards me, typically multiple times.