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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:32 PM May 2016

"Bernie Sanders would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare; Hillary, not so much."

Bernie Sanders would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare; Hillary, not so much
BY Shaun King
May 4, 2016
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS




If you called him an offensive, sexist, xenophobic bigot, I'd be first in line to agree with you.

Underestimate him and his candidacy at your own risk.

Hillary Clinton is perhaps the worst possible Democratic candidate who could ever run against Donald Trump. I sincerely believe he could beat her in the general election.

Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, would give Donald Trump fits in a head-to-head match up
. Let me break it down.

1. Like Donald's other fallen foes, Hillary Clinton represents the political establishment.

Hillary Clinton is as establishment as establishment gets. The machine is behind her. Her campaign against Bernie Sanders has only advanced this sentiment. Donald Trump simply could not use this angle against Bernie Sanders.

2. Hillary's millions of dollars worth of paid speeches to banks, lobbyists and billionaires cede a certain moral high ground to Donald Trump.


Donald Trump is a filthy rich fat cat. He's gaudy and cartoonish with his wealth. He openly admits that he hires foreign workers for cheap jobs and abuses tax loopholes. He is the poster child for everything that Bernie Sanders has railed against — not just in this campaign, but for his entire life in public service.

Hillary Clinton will not really be able to say much about this, though, because Donald's biggest liability is also an enormous liability for her. She and Bill rented a home in the Hamptons for $50,000 per week. They've made $230 million since Bill left office. Hillary made more money in 12 speeches to big banks than most American's will make in their lifetime.

3. Independent and new voters are flocking to Bernie Sanders and even to Donald Trump, but not to Hillary Clinton.

Bernie Sanders is the longest standing Independent in the history of the United States Congress. Consequently, independent voters have flocked to his campaign en masse. When they are allowed to vote in primaries, like they did on Tuesday in Indiana, he wins. They have been absolutely essential to his wins in 18 different states thus far. With only 29% of Americans identifying as Democrats and 26% as Republicans, the largest voting bloc is independents.

4. Hillary's reliance on millions of dollars from Super PACs is a real problem.

Zero percent of Bernie's campaign funds come from Super PACs. Four percent of Donald's campaign funds come from Super PACs.

This would never be an issue for Bernie Sanders. It is his rejection of Super PAC money that has actually won over millions of his voters. For them, this issue is everything. The idea of supporting the candidate who relies so heavily on this type of money nauseates many. Donald Trump will be able to get on the mic and tell supporters that he just isn't influenced by outside money and they'll believe him.

5. Young voters are crazy about Bernie Sanders and just don't care for Hillary Clinton.

By young, we don't just mean teenagers. Voters under 25, voters under 35, even voters under 45 all support Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton. The younger the voter, the bigger the margin. In some age groups he's beating her by 85%-15%.

Hating Trump is not the same thing as supporting Hillary Clinton and young voters know this. While Donald Trump doesn't have a youth movement of any kind to talk about, it just matters a heck of a lot less if it's Clinton he's going against.

This race isn't new anymore. People know enough about Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton to make an informed decision. I believe these polls are accurate. The team at FiveThirtyEight stated that they believe the polls between Trump and Clinton will continue to narrow.

We can all agree that Trump must be stopped, but this much is clear - Hillary Clinton is not the best opponent to stop him.

For the detailed analysis of these 5 points please read the full article at:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-worst-nightmare-article-1.2624564

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"Bernie Sanders would be Donald Trump's worst nightmare; Hillary, not so much." (Original Post) imagine2015 May 2016 OP
#5 is accurate for sure and it will be interesting to see after the election who gets Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
Well hells bells....a little truth.....after the vote. ViseGrip May 2016 #2
They will move to Trump...a majority. ViseGrip May 2016 #3
#1 always bothers me RockaFowler May 2016 #4
This is "the establishment" lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #7
but hes not and never has been bought and paid for, thats the difference. litlbilly May 2016 #10
Are you pretending not to understand what the Establishment is? rhett o rick May 2016 #22
kick! ViseGrip May 2016 #5
Many of those independents are not democrats because of their dislike of Clinton. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #6
SBS's Achilles heels have been ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #8
Hagiography. Right. That's exactly the word most voters will be looking up in their dictionary. imagine2015 May 2016 #12
Apparently unlike you, ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #16
LMAO! basselope May 2016 #26
"Not sway a single voter" ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #30
I speak for EVERY voter on your list. basselope May 2016 #31
Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas May 2016 #9
Sanders would be Trump's wet dream. Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #11
Didn't realize "the far left" was so huge! Thanks for the info! imagine2015 May 2016 #13
You're right. Sanders would make Trump pee in his pants! Thanks for the observation. imagine2015 May 2016 #14
Funny that his policies are supportedby the vast majority of voters. Not anyone outside the far left Vincardog May 2016 #15
I'v got a popular vote in the primary process says you're wrong. Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #18
Does that address the popularity of his policies or the crookedness of the primaries? Vincardog May 2016 #21
LOL! Sanders hasn't been vetted at all--the second middle America reads his essays about MADem May 2016 #17
Exactly! The disheveled little old man has quite a past that most voters won't like. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #20
The "New York Mister Chips" persona is just a veneer. nt MADem May 2016 #35
One hot head yelling at the other. Whatever. seabeyond May 2016 #19
In some ways Sanders and Trump do match up, neither has a foreign policy, but lacking on the Thinkingabout May 2016 #23
I think Trump would eat him up with socialist/communist/pro-Iran stuff. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #24
This isn't the 50's. They tried that with Obama ....communist, born in Kenya, etc., Didn't work. imagine2015 May 2016 #25
Shaun King in his impartial analysis? Blue_Tires May 2016 #27
why are we saying NO to the bernie revolution that will KILL the REAGAN REVOLUTION??? pansypoo53219 May 2016 #28
Isn't Shaun King a Sanders' supporter? Beacool May 2016 #29
K & R AzDar May 2016 #32
All good points tom-servo May 2016 #33
yeah right Demsrule86 May 2016 #34

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
1. #5 is accurate for sure and it will be interesting to see after the election who gets
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:33 PM
May 2016

what percentage of the young vote, regardless of who is in the GE.

Will more young people vote than the last two elections? If so, that would be huge.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
4. #1 always bothers me
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

Doesn't that mean that Bernie is "Establishment", too??

I mean the story going around earlier today was that he's been in the government for 32 years.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. Are you pretending not to understand what the Establishment is?
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:15 PM
May 2016

The Super Delegate system was invented to protect the Establishment. The Super Delegates are all Part of the Establishment.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
6. Many of those independents are not democrats because of their dislike of Clinton.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

The thing more than any other that people find attractive about Trump is the perception that he's candid.

This is the primary thing that people dislike and distrust about Clinton. No one has the slightest idea what she'll do because the words that come out of her mouth are not highly correlated with what she actually does.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
8. SBS's Achilles heels have been
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

identified but not broadcast like Hillary's. Google "Michelle Goldberg", a frequent contributor to the Nation and other progressive publications, to see some still-obscure articles revealing devastating potential lines of Republican attack against Bernie that make Hillar's emails look like bad hair days. DUer wyldwolf extracted seven of these devastating potential attacks from a Goldberg Salon article this week. See his GDP post at http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511890988 and you'll understand why hagiography like the OP's could not withstand even cursory scrutiny.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
12. Hagiography. Right. That's exactly the word most voters will be looking up in their dictionary.
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

Before they vote.

Now I be doing some more scrutinizing of hagiography art tikles.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
16. Apparently unlike you,
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

I like to investigate both sides thoroughly.

You did not even click through my link to wyldwolf's eye-opening thread, did you?

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
26. LMAO!
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:34 PM
May 2016

All weak sauce stuff that won't play anymore than Jerrimiah Wright nonsense took down Obama.

And yes, I clicked through to the silly little list of things and not a single one of them would sway a single voter.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
30. "Not sway a single voter"
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

Speak for yourself, not every voter.

Unfortunately, since SBS would have to win more than 100 percent of remaining voters to overtake HRC, Bernie likely will continue to escape close examination of his opposition to K-12 public education, amber alerts etc.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
31. I speak for EVERY voter on your list.
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:50 PM
May 2016

Not a single one of those issues would sway a single solitary voter.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
11. Sanders would be Trump's wet dream.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

A self-proclaimed socialist and atheist who's never faced been attacked by the right on a national stage, has never been vetted, and has no interest in appealing to anyone outside the far left.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
15. Funny that his policies are supportedby the vast majority of voters. Not anyone outside the far left
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

my A$$ you so funny

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
18. I'v got a popular vote in the primary process says you're wrong.
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

Sanders couldn't even win in the Democratic primary, where the electorate skews a long way to the left of what it will be in the general election.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. LOL! Sanders hasn't been vetted at all--the second middle America reads his essays about
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

free love, letting little children run naked and fondle each other, letting your 16 year old daughter run around having sex in your home (and you're a rotten prude if you want her to slow that roll), home schooling kids because schools suck and teachers are (expletive beginning with B deleted)s, that frigid women are the cause of their own cancer, etc., that smell of charring bread will be Bernie's Bernt Toast.

All this stuff is available online--and there's more out there that hasn't even been hauled in for examination. The VT FREEMAN is a treasure trove of "Bernie Musings" -- and boy, did he like to opine!

This guy is living in a dream world, but he has been for a long time, poor fellow. People don't know a damn thing about Bernie Sanders, and the more they learn, the less they like him.

Tip of the iceberg: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-freeman-sexual-freedom-fluoride

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
23. In some ways Sanders and Trump do match up, neither has a foreign policy, but lacking on the
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

same issue does not make two candidates qualified as much as a candidate with more qualifications.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
27. Shaun King in his impartial analysis?
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

Wasn't he screaming about all the Berniestans breaking off and forming a new party a couple of weeks ago? What happened to that?

Demsrule86

(68,657 posts)
34. yeah right
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:06 PM
May 2016

I guess if that was true, he would have won the primary so useless polls notwithstanding...he lost.

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