why should he concede?

He didn't "create" an angry mob. Where do you people get this crap?

Of course it will be. I think he will time it a bit earlier than half way between Cali and the convention, to keep things on the down low.

No.. 50/50 is more like it. He is definitely exploring his options with the Greens. Bookmark that. If that's a no-go, then it goes to 100%

Wow, you think that little of him, huh?

He is too attached to his supporters to do so.

And I think that is what an obstinate and loud minority of his voters like about him. They have one solution for everything, an everything else, any half measures are somehow corrupted efforts. I think he could gain a lot of influence at the convention if he wanted to deal, but may see that as pay to play and just marginalize himself. Could go either way.

I truly believe that. He is not Ralph Nader.

Senator Sanders has invested decades of his life, given them in service to this country. He will not burn it down in the 11th hour and allow that hateful orange adult toddler to assume the Presidency of this nation.

A lot of us on the West Coast are real serious about cannabis law reform. CA Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom got up and introduced the AUMA the other day.



http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2016/05/04/california-marijuana-legalization-2016-campaign-launches-with-lt-gov-newsom/

It may seem odd or fringe back east, but it's front and center and directly relevant to turnout in November, on our side of the country.

I've probably said 10 or 15 times, here, in the past couple weeks, Sanders will endorse Hillary and he should endorse Hillary.

If what has been said was correct, I should have been hung from a lamppost by fedora-wearing reddit berniebros a long time ago for those utterances. Oddly, that hasnt happened.

If you mean my comment, I wasn't looking for Negativity. I think all the states should be heard, and frankly I think we should rotate the order every 4 years so different states have a chance to go first.

For 2nd 3rd etc.

Look, I love Iowa as much as the next guy, but....

Other than growing corn.....

If Clinton gets the nomination, a Sanders endorsement will have little effect on his supporters. Some will write in Sanders, some will vote Stein, some will vote Clinton, some will vote Trump, and a number will stay home. It's too bad they won't be voting Dem down-ticket, as a low turnout is going to ensure a down-ticket bloodbath for Democrats, but that's the result of having Hillary atop the ticket. You made your bed, you lie in it.

anything else it appears, is unthinkable. Probably worried they were all corrupt.
Low turnout is the bed the voters themselves jump into. I GOTV, I don't suppress it. The GOP and self righteous twits do that.

They will help progressives gain power over the normal run of the mill gravy train corrupt insiders though.

That's what they are afraid of.

Full Definition of demagogue:

a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason

a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power

-sniper fire
- $15 minimum wage

Sanders has said he's in to assure everyone has a chance to vote.
Thats a good enough reason.
I don't expect to see him suddenly change his mind.

you just don't get it.

betrayal. They are so in denial he has already stated his support- that they ignore and refuse to address it.
They are going to have a hard time coping. I imagine they will try and "break Twitter" as if that will be an accomplishment or something.

Bernie for a long time now. He's probably strategizing about how to maintain a national leadership position when he's no longer carrying the lead torch.

Could he possibly transfer the hostility of virulent anti-Democrats to the GOP? I'd guess he'd have a better chance positioning as an inspiring leader to his far larger and more moderate block of followers who will be voting for Hillary but still wanting more. Love to be a fly on that wall. My other guess is that Bernie feels closer to the ones most likely to throw him under the bus for conceding any time this decade.

But... perhaps ... there's that little doubt... what's going on in OR, CA, etc...?

So are hanging your hopes on RW conspiracies- instead of what SBS himself is telling you.

to be keeping her busy -- 38 civil suits so far, plus the FBI's criminal investigation.

When he gives up, I'll give up.

It's a ten to one for me -- max amount is $5 for DU. If she's out/indicted by then, you give DU $5 while if I'm wrong (and it's possible - FBI doesn't care about my schedule), then I give DU $5. For me it's a "fifty cent bet" I'm willing to do up to ten times for a max $5, and you can either do fifty cents, or $5 to make it nice.

In fairness, I would recommend you pay attention to the fact that two of the civil cases are proceeding into discovery phase, and thus far one judge has agreed she can be deposed under oath/the other judge is hinting at it, too. She is also on record committing perjury (see timeline for details).

So, she's in trouble for three different things --

1) Government records in her basement two years after she left government service/not complying with FOIA laws/getting caught trying to destroy them
2) Not keeping her emails secure/using a private server/negligently letting hackers and spies access things they ought not
3) The contents, where she didn't turn in Sidney Blumenthal for spying on the CIA and NSA/accessing classified data, and anything that may look like "pay to play" with the Clinton Foundation donors

Still interested? Rules are frequently different for the rich, so you've got a shot....

As explained. Bernie won't be out until the convention at the earliest.

It's like talking to toddlers with their hands over their ears yelling blah, blah, blah...I can't hear you!

The denial I'd deep in Hill-land

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've read all day. And the Hillarians have posted a buttload of stupid.

From whatever alternate reality you live in.

Time for your lying ass to disappear.

Bye bye

I won't be seeing any of that particular poster's attempts at shit-stirring.*poof* Gone, spoon and all.

Please produce it.

I think he is trying to let you all down slowly to avoid the inevitable backlash.

reasonable and give it up, a lot of his supporters are going to shit their pants.

There are valid reasons that people dislike Hillary. You would have been hard pressed to find many people that hated Bernie Sanders before he DARED to challenge Mrs Clinton. You want to see unhinged hatred? Take a damn look at the sig lines of some of your cohorts.

Have a great day.

and support HRC.

say about lies traveling around the world before the truth gets out of bed? That may apply to "dank memes" this season. The press will have a field day at how vicious it will be.

Some people will see this as the ultimate betrayal, because they drank the RW Koolade long ago.

Here's something to wash it down.

It's a Guinness, BTW.

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But I do think Sanders should still in until there is an official nominee.
I thought the same in 2008 with Hillary and Obama.

which kind of puts you in a different league than the noisy Twitter-verse.
I just think it's an interesting consideration - or calculation- no one has ever had to make before, this internet implosion stuff.

What a joke.

That's just not Bernie.

And you have no evidence to support your nonsense.

Who the hell cares?

Would be sad if that is the legacy he leaves behind this summer.

just like they've done throughout the entire campaign. Not exactly earth shattering news. Besides I figure there will be a lot of Brock paid trolls that will be out there pretending to be Bernie supporters angry with him just to punish him like the Hillary supporters here have been encouraging. We won't be fooled.

or Facebook. I know I don't.

Brutal honesty here... when someone shows up at DU with "Look what I found on Facebook! ZOMG!" or "Wow the twitterverse is EXPLODING over this: xyxy!" I tend to zone out a little bit. Facebook is about (or should be) connecting with friends and family long-distance, and twitter is for people with a 140 character vocabulary with a matching attention span. If both disappeared tomorrow the world would probably be a better place.

but it is kind of shocking the kind of crap that passes for sources here too, these days. I throw my hands up.

the convention which will precede his backing of HRC.

It will definitely be interesting to see what becomes of the BoB monsters which have been created.

They tried that on Walking Dead last season, and it did not end well. Just saying!

Hillary in 2008, btw) and he's honoring that commitment. I understand that you may be more familiar with candidates who do not honor their commitments, but you'll get used to it.

Good luck in West Virginia!

At some point we will find out how many BOBs are out there. I'm guessing SBS is considering what the back lash all be.

I think most people accept that he will support her(he has said as much), some just don't agree with that choice, you know free will and all that jazz.

It is possible, and off the wall things DO happen.

This notion of prognosticating a winner rather than simply completing the already scheduled process, strikes me as a lot like fraud. I see no valid reason for it.

or irregularities. That's just the first order of business. Next would be to evaluate all that has happened and make sure the numbers that are certified are accurate. Then we can evaluate the actual state of the race.

doing that if he drops out. I will donate to his Senate campaign and to Tim Canova and should Bernie need donations for any monies owed from his presidential campaign I will donate to that.

A) there is still a possibility (though remote) that he might win this thing;

B) being in the race means he continues to generate media support and public attention to the issues he finds important, such as income inequality, the corruption of the political system by unlimited corporate contributions;

and C) he believes everyone should have a right to vote, wherever they might live.

I doubt the Senator is very much concerned with what people will say about him on Facebook or Twitter.

That's what candidates do. He has to go back to the Senate and work with these people. They don't. It has no effect on how they feel about Hillary Clinton, or whether many of them would ever support her.

Hillary Clinton is acting like there's nothing she has to do to make a sale, and the sale isn't going to involve something as self-interested as financial reimbursement for his campaign expenses, as it did for Hillary Clinton in 2008 (and, in all likelihood, the Secretary of State position.) Sanders doesn't want anything for himself. She seems to think she'll just get all those votes because she's the Democrat. She won't. This isn't 2008, there is a chasm between the 2 candidates.

priorities as well as his proposed methods- like getting thousands of protesters to go to congress (instead of Dems in congress) takes a lot of cojones. It is pure ego.

It reinforces why a lot of people who support Bernie Sanders will have nothing to do with you or your candidate.

Future. The leadership abilities will be front and center, for either Hillary or Sanders to be able to guide their supporters to vote for the DNC nominee will soon become apparent.

Bernie has never been one to worry about his popularity. He isn't driven by ambition. If people want to abandon the vision he set out (which I doubt very much), I don't think he'd be overly upset by that, nor do I think it would cause HIM to abandon it.

As to supporters, some of them hadn't heard of him before this year, and some of those may shift, but many more like me have been following his ideas and career since he came to D.C. That doesn't mean I agree with everything he ever said or did, I don't expect that of any politician. But I would certainly still support him just as much, even if I didn't agree with this choice, like some others in the past.

I'm not going anywhere, and I don't think he is either. The movement isn't about a person. It's about a direction we need to take. It will outlast Bernie and us older supporters.

and yes, I have a few friends who are in this category, and they are angry more than anything. I wish I could say they are not heading for a flameout, but they admittedly are. I just imagine the res picking up on it when their disappointment with ernie peaks- and I suspect that will be caused by his support of Hillary. For them it is more anti-hillary than anything. They have convinced themselves that Fox news was right all along.

I don't think words can adequately express how low my opinion is of her. That is not based on sentiment, that is based on the despicable things she has said and done over and over again. Those who support her need to read more.

I can't decide which is worse, her and Bill, or Nixon, or shrub. They're all cold-blooded killer sell-outs, which has become the political norm in my lifetime. Tragic but true. Bernie is giving us a chance to do better, but... we'll see how that goes, at least it's encouraging that more people than I expected have supported him. That speaks better of us than I would've thought.

People will have to decide what they decide about this choice. We have a right to be wrong in this country, which may yet be the undoing of us, but nevertheless without it we'd be living in a nightmare already anyway.

and eagerly confess total ignorance over HRC's accomplishments. Which is exactly why they can compare her to Bush and Nixon. Pure ignorance, and proudly posting it in OP after OP.

Like amassing 150 Million in wealth milking the power mad?

What movement did Hillary start?

(crickets chirping)

But compared to Trump she is a goddess....

Authoritarianism!

I think he is waiting because he would like to continue to elevate the conversation and push discussion of important issues up until the point at which we would begin talking platform.

A lot of us would like to see things like a strong marijuana legalization plank or at least a concrete acknowledgement that the drug war has failed and needs to be ended - not rebranded- once and for all, etc.

If sanders hadnt been in the race the past 8 months would have been a snooze-fest of Hillary throwing out poll tested gibberish about "middle class champions and just do it, you deserve a break today, have it your way! Im lovin it, everyday americans", etc.

He's doing everyone- including Hillary- a favor by staying in until the convention. "Fear of his supporters" has nothing to do with it.

engage them during social events because they get unpleasantly angry. My entire poker gang is for Bernie, but only one out of four is acting like the rabid stereo type, with conspiracy theory talk and mentions of Vince Foster. She was really angry when I called her out over that. Another is not that bad, but his wife and I are down away by him suddenly making some seriously sexist remarks, which are kind of shocking after knowing him over 20 years. He is actually damaging his marriage with all the Hillary hatred.

On things like genuine cannabis law reform in the platform, the issues on which the HRC/DWS crowd has not been connecting with millennials, western states, etc

And then we shall separate the wheat from the chaff. I have a sister who is making bernie or bust noises. Im sure there will be freakouts but also a lot of "yeah, okay".

Bernie will endorse her, I believe that. But the primaries are going to wrap up, first.

issue, they're hemorrhaging money, due to poor judgment when they signed contracts, and all those $27 dollar donations they've been raking in, don't meet FEC rules, they've had problems every month with foreign donations and people who exceed their limit. So they're taking in x amount, and spending right up to x, (those rallies cost a lot, as does their "online presence on social media", Jane's expensive, so are Weaver and Devine etc.

That Vatican holiday was quite expensive, and they're not allowed to use campaign funds for it etc.

They're in it right now for the money, and the lies they're telling, followed by "send money" tell you where the issues are with this campaign. For someone who runs on "judgment" and whose only issue is an economic one, Bernie and Jane really suck at exercising any judgment with their finances. Their poor record keeping with their DIY taxes, their reluctance to be as transparent the opponent who keeps defeating them, and Jane and Bernie's history with terrible financial decisions speaks to this.

i send Sanders another 10 bucks.

Its TOTALLY worth it to me.

Sanders will endorse Hillary when he is ready. Convention time I hope. What reaction his followers will have is not
going to be part of the equation for his consideration as well it shouldn't be.

All this pearl clutching is quite humorous. I get a kick out of dramatics and hyperbole.

Whom he endorses matters not one bit to me. Even less than that if possible.

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Sanders gets to demonstrate where and how strong the support is for anti-Neoliberal Democrats.

Sanders also gets to keep expanding and refining his database re the support of those people... in all 50 states and the territories.

The knowledge gained by staying in will help the Big Project organize to be a force in the 2018 mid-terms.

If people would stop being myopic looking at party loyalty for Nov as the only issue and just pause for a few minutes to look at the political landscape, they'd notice what is already obvious:

-MANY- of the most easily turned 30-ish Republican Congressional seats are in the non-urban counties that have gone heavily for Sanders and are in states that were won by Sanders.

Building a movement that will win those seats -IS- the "Big Project" it is important. Revealing where and how strong the anti-Neoliberal democrats are in the remaining primaries and caucuses is critically important to actionable plans for the 2018 midterms.

I'm not at all surprised Sanders is going to stay in until the end. It's exactly what the Big Projects leader needs to do with the leverage he's created in a very very remarkable campaign.

which dovetails with what you have said.

if Sanders doesn't get the nomination he's going to be involved in other organization.

In the face of slim odds of being the nominee and accepting on their face statements said, all I did was look for an interpretation that makes sense.

I can't say I'm right about that. But it does make sense to me. Organizing a caucus to push for congressional and other offices built around his supporters and the places they live is a big step, but it's not really a huge change of direction or purpose.

Sanders seems particularly aware that big problems effect everyone, but that people from different places see solutions differently. The features of the electorate where Sanders appeal is strongest are places the Democratic party has for decades lamented its weaknesses.

It's clear to me that the DNC, DSCC and DCCC has grown to accept those weaknesses as they believe future demographics favor their urban party perspective. Of course, that condemns democratic state legislators to very difficult fights to balance state government and important tasks given them such as congressional redistricting and decisions to participate in voluntary federal programs such as Obama's attempt to expand high speed rail and the expected but largely failed national expansion of medicaid. The national party doesn't seem to care much about states until there is a political opportunity to capitalize on, such as mass shootings, immigrants dying locked inside truck-trailers, or the poisoning of residents using the Flint water system.

Sanders' movement holds the promise of building the party base, impacting mid-term congressional elections, and firming up a 50 state infrastructure for democrats. The powers that risk a lot in attempting to kick to death Sanders ideas, and his base. These opportunities don't come along very often.

There really -is- a big win for America and the Democrats available in the movement Sanders has initiated.

Maybe in a few months you will be able to turn off the nastiness in your posts.

Why antagonizing rhetoric? BTW, did you tell Clinton to get out early in 2008? And did she? Tell media to stop pumping up Trump. Even when they criticize him, they are giving him PR and an awful lot of people hate the establishment media. Media is helping Trump. Go after the true enemy and let the states left to vote have a vote. It's respectful. Get over it.

But I don't think he's staying in it to appease those people, he's just giving it the good old college try, because if he simply doesn't have the votes, he doesn't have the votes. That's essentially what Clinton did in 2008.

He maybe reconsidering the timing and conceding after the DC primary, from what I read about his last interview. I think that would be wise. I can't imagine the angry vocal BOBs being welcome at the convention- it would smash his legacy to bits.

I appreciate the appreciation for the fact that Bernie does care above all about the consequences; but.

angry mob???

y'all are nuts.

They'll be sad, of course, but not angry or full of hate.

I have been reading some of the Bernie or bust forums and they ( the berniebots) really believe a SBS wold be the end of their great "experience".

get an alert or hide for Berniebot. I would edit right now. ;-D

He is determined to be President no matter what and will push on as far as he can go.

You need to be prepared for this stuff.

I think this band aide could be ripped off too fast, and cause a media frenzy over Reddit exploding. SBS does not need that.

said...not listening is evidenced by your posts.

<------Frightening, lazy, unwashed Bernie Bro.
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Far from it. He isn't afraid of big banks, he's not afraid to take on a large political machine.

I'd hardly think a few unruly supporters scare him. His supporters have been called everything but the kitchen sink, yet we are usually characterized as lazy unwashed hipsters. Lazy unwashed hipsters are nothing to be afraid of, right?

I must admit, the idealization of Bernie Sanders supporters as unwashed young male hipsters does, in fact, tickle the ever-loving shit out of me.