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Related: About this forumOfficials: Scant evidence that Clinton had malicious intent in handling of emails
Source: Washington Post
By Matt Zapotosky May 5 at 3:36 PM
Prosecutors and FBI agents investigating Hillary Clintons use of a personal email server have so far found scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules, though they are still probing the case aggressively with an eye on interviewing Clinton herself, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
FBI agents on the case have been joined by federal prosecutors from the same office that successfully prosecuted 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and who would handle any Edward Snowden case, should he ever return to the country, according to the U.S. officials familiar with the matter. And in recent weeks, prosecutors from the U.S. Attorneys Office in the Eastern District of Virginia and their FBI counterparts have been interviewing top Clinton aides as they seek to bring the case to a close.
CNN reported Thursday that longtime Clinton aide Huma Abedin was among those interviewed. A lawyer for Abedin did not immediately return an email seeking comment.
The involvement of the U.S. Attorneys Office is not indicative that charges are imminent or even likely. One official said prosecutors are wrestling with the question of whether Clinton intended to violate the rules, and so far, the evidence seemed to indicate she did not.
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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-in-virginia-assisting-in-clinton-email-probe/2016/05/05/f0277faa-12f0-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)but still guilty, right?
Lets face it, there are a lot of republicans posting on DU pretending to be something else
LOTS
MEME = others saying this, the Hillary haters, the GOP, etc.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and even a lay person should know that. The Scooter Libby case would be an apt comparison. Or the theoretical cases against Colin Powell or Condilezza Rice for similar email set ups.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)This is what the Hillary haters and GOP are saying
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)Best wishes.
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)for GOP
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Lots and lots of posers here at DU. Lots.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)still under investigation.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)This "nothing to see" leak is probably coming from the Obama admin, in response to the FBI leak of interviewing Hillary's aides.
Who do you think we'll hear from next? Grassley or a fresh round of FBI leaks?
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)... made for counterintelligence purposes."
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)If this has garnered me the enmity of those people it is one of the proudest amount of my life.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)yourout
(7,532 posts)Either way she should be only allowed in the White House with a tour group.
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)You might be interested in this:
http://prospect.org/article/why-hillary-wont-be-indicted-and-shouldnt-be-objective-legal-analysis
Why Hillary Won't Be Indicted and Shouldn't Be: An Objective Legal Analysis
There is no reason to think that Clinton committed any crimes with respect to the use of her email server.
By Richard O. Lempert, Professor of Law, University of Michigan
What follows reflects the knowledge and experience I have gained from working at the Department of Homeland Security from 2008 until 2011. While there, I took the lead in drafting a security classification manual for one of the divisions of the DHS science and technology directorate. In this discussion, I offer answers to questions about the former secretary of states email that have not been frequently asked, but should be.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)if there was anything to this.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)read the article
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Plus, I have seen no proof. No proof.
TM99
(8,352 posts)they have found scant evidence.
From whom? What are their sources? This is speculative opinion being passed off as news.
Obama, Lynch, and others are not commenting on facts. Period.
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)pnwmom
(108,991 posts)The rest, she could produce when requested -- as she did.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)They didn't even bother looking in other .Gov email accounts for any emails Hillary might have sent out.
One of the reasons discovery was granted.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)"...scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules..."
"...involvement of the U.S. Attorneys Office is not indicative that charges are imminent or even likely."
No, WAPO--you sycophants for the 0.1%--let's just ignore the fact that Hi11ary is being investigated.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I tried several times to view the comment section but I can't view them for some reason. Anything interesting?
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)Even if haters just gotta hate.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Laws were either broken or they weren't. Her intent is irrelevant, save perhaps during sentencing.
Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #17)
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angrychair
(8,733 posts)There would never be an official statement regarding an active investigation. So file this under yet another "opinion" article that conveniently uses "unnamed sources".
I will live with the final determination of the FBI and Justice Dept. but I am not going to entertain agenda driven horseshit.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Otherwise us proles might pay attention.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)The likelihood of an indictment is not zero. The chances may be tiny, but factors other than intent may come into play.
Sales points to the Petraeus case in particular, noting that the former CIA head did not, in the end, plead guilty to charges related to sharing classified information with his mistress and biographer, but rather to those related to him keeping the information in a desk drawer inside his home. "The conduct that is being investigated [in Clinton's case] keeping the documents on an unclassified server that's kind of the digital equivalent of locking it in your desk drawer, which is ultimately what did in General Petraeus," he says.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/what-should-we-make-of-the-hillary-clinton-indictment-speculation-20160503#ixzz47pDlWWxL
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)Never crossed my mind. That just seems beyond absurd to me.
She knew she'd be running for President again. I don't think she would have deliberately done anything that could have raised questions in 2016, which is why I've always assumed that this server business is not her fault but the fault (intentional or not) of whoever set the thing up. She's not an IT professional and someone of her generation who doesn't know computers probably wouldn't even have known what questions to ask.
I've always thought that, while this looks bad, she wouldn't have deliberately skirted the law, and now that she is almost certainly going to be Trump's opponent I genuinely hope that this turns out to be less than what has been reported. I've always supported Bernie and will always prefer him, but I don't want to watch Trump become the most powerful person in the world. (Ye gods, it just sunk in that that is truly an actual, albeit remote, possibility. What a prospect.)
Gothmog
(145,542 posts)Promoting the idea that there was some sort of malicious intent is in itself a malicious act.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)This to shall pass.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Good this is finally coming to an end.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...again. In response to the recent FBI leaks about aide interviews and the Guccifer story.
I'm sure we'll have a fresh set of contradictory FBI leaks soon.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)It was never a real scandal.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)I guess secretary of state is as far as she goes.
Emphasis mine.
Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)...so many people still have orgasms over Hillary's email "scandal" story. Nothing will come of it.
TimPlo
(443 posts)And if you do I'd be careful as discussing the case you are working on is most likely not something a FBI agent would want to do. Even more so with such a Highly powerful vindictive person of interest.
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)I'm sure Hillary remembers too.
Bill pardoned CIA Director Deutch on his last day in office for having classified information on his home computers, just before he took a plea deal. Guess what else? He also used the same computers for personal and classified information. Look it up.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)"according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter." seems to be a very broad meaning. and being familiar with the matter would include someone that use to work for Clinton. If it came from someone working on the case they would said someone familiar with case. But they said someone familiar with the matter. Basically they could of talk to guy who defended Petraeus in his case. He would be familiar with someone being malicious or not. This article is about as hard evidence as the Fox interview of that Hacker. So why take WaPo at face value when you don't take that other article on the issue.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)We call that "conformation bias". Read the actual sources on the matter;
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-in-virginia-assisting-in-clinton-email-probe/2016/05/05/f0277faa-12f0-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html
Underlined for your convenience.
TimPlo
(443 posts)You are underlining parts of that comment and are just focusing on that as it is proof. But whole comment including parts you underlined was said by "U.S. officials familiar with the matter." Which could mean anything. Try and spin this all you want it does not change what they printed on in the article. Who is source I am saying. a US Official could be anyone working for State Dept that actually does not know about case. And you are one guilty of "conformation bias" because I don't think this article proves one way other anything about her email other than some random person said something and we have no idea who or what he/she is.
And I have never thought she did it malicious intent. Even if she was doing it to keep them close in order to keep others from seeing some damaging email that is not a malicious intent.(an "intentional" wrongful act against someone without a justified excuse)
", according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
" So some U.S Official said it. But what official we have not idea if he/she actually knows. You are one taking it at face value I am not. I will wait and see what the FBI says when it is time. Anything else is just people guessing.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)i.e. the Dep't of Justice. A reasonable individual would not read into tis that the Washington Post is relying on info from Clinton insiders.
TimPlo
(443 posts)You are one reading into it. If it was a Dept of Justice why is the source not cited as US Official from Dept of Justice. If it was then someone at WaPo needs to learn a bit about how to cite a source. If something is written one way and you have to explain that oh no it actually means this then you are one reading into it.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)I have it, on good authority, that it is the 2nd floor janitor's dogwalkers sister. It's ironclad.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)This is a big dent in the zeal to see Clinton indicted, and you're trying to salvage whatever you can from this turn of events. I get that, but no one's buying it.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Brushing up on my dictionary skills...
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)they had to alert on and then block a political cartoon that would look completely normal in n2doc's morning line-up. The poster might just as well have drawn a picture of that other "prophet" where zealots post, because they took a 6-1 hide.