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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:58 PM May 2016

Hillary Clinton Gives Bernie Sanders a History Lesson in Dropping Out

To date, Hillary Clinton and her campaign have been very cautious about saying Bernie Sanders should drop out of the primary race. But remarks the Democratic presidential front-runner made today suggest she does think her opponent has passed his sell-by date.

While speaking at the California African American Museum in Los Angeles this morning, Clinton appeared to come just shy of flat-out telling the Vermont senator -- who has vowed to stay in the race through the convention in July -- it’s time for him to bow out. (If not that, though, she at the very least made the argument for why she believes he should strongly consider it.)

“I am three million plus votes ahead of Sen. Sanders, right? I am nearly 300 pledged delegates ahead of Sen. Sanders. When I was running against then-Sen. Obama, he and I were neck and neck in the popular vote. Depending on how you counted it, I was a little ahead or he was a little ahead. He was about 60 or so pledged delegates ahead. A much, much smaller margin than what we see in this race," Clinton told a group of black community leaders this morning, just one day after it became clear Donald Trump will be the likely Republican presidential nominee.

"But I knew that he had won,” she continued, “Because it matters how many delegates you have, whether it’s 60 or 300, right?”

Eight years ago, Clinton dropped out of the primary race on June 7, 2008, when, according to delegate counts at the time by several major news organizations, Obama was ahead of Clinton by roughly 124 pledged delegates. The two contenders were, as Clinton said today, neck and neck in the popular vote, according to a Real Clear Politics count that showed Obama at 48.1 percent and Clinton at 48 percent.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-history-lesson-dropping/story?id=38909381

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Hillary Clinton Gives Bernie Sanders a History Lesson in Dropping Out (Original Post) onehandle May 2016 OP
Well you never know- as Hillary said herself. notadmblnd May 2016 #1
And Keith's Special Comment on her statement. pat_k May 2016 #18
The fatal flaw in her argument is greyl May 2016 #2
If, woulda coulda shoulda ....all bullshit. Facts are facts. Deal with them. Nt pkdu May 2016 #3
How's this for you. I don't think she's right. I know she's right. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #7
What are the total votes of the states that haven't voted yet? nt greyl May 2016 #9
Doubt that. Their demographics are holing up pretty well. Lucinda May 2016 #13
and not all primaries/caucuses allowed independents. nt shireen May 2016 #22
She is right, over three million votes ahead and three hundred pledged delegates ahead and Thinkingabout May 2016 #4
I think you call that ... game, set, match! n/t SFnomad May 2016 #6
See you are wrong again catnhatnh May 2016 #12
And you're in denial ... but so many BS cheerleaders are n/t SFnomad May 2016 #14
Count them, 165 more needed, no problem. Thinkingabout May 2016 #21
She's been saying this since before I went to Korea pangaia May 2016 #5
I want Bernie to stay in the race until the Convention, mostly because I want him to have as much napi21 May 2016 #8
It is bad enough to prevent individuals from voting in elections Samantha May 2016 #10
Dafuq???? moriah May 2016 #19
so whattcha' offerin? 'cause we all know you didn't do it for free cost Obama $22,000,000 to pay azurnoir May 2016 #11
So your point is that Hillary is a quiter and Bernie isn't? Live and Learn May 2016 #15
These posts are getting rather stale Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #16
So are the "praying for an indictment" posts, but that's what trash thread is for. moriah May 2016 #17
Why are these reported as if new comments? pat_k May 2016 #20

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
1. Well you never know- as Hillary said herself.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:06 PM
May 2016

when she was running against Obama and justified herself staying in until June.

“My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it.”

greyl

(22,990 posts)
2. The fatal flaw in her argument is
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:08 PM
May 2016

that the vote totals would undeniably be different if the states voted in a different chronological order.

Even she's not confident in that argument, I think: "I am three million plus votes ahead of Sen. Sanders, right?"
I'd like to hear her speak with fewer "I thinks", ironically.

Hard Choices (link to Hillary's book on Amazon)

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
13. Doubt that. Their demographics are holing up pretty well.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

The final totals would most likely show little variance, regardless of voting order, or if we all voted the same day.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. She is right, over three million votes ahead and three hundred pledged delegates ahead and
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

Four hundred seventy super delegates ahead.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
12. See you are wrong again
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:00 PM
May 2016

you don't get to call jack shit. And neither does Hillary. I'm bettin' 40 million Californians don't think much of her suggestion.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
5. She's been saying this since before I went to Korea
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:20 PM
May 2016

last week
I come back and she is still saying.
The woman makes me want to just go back to Seoul.
She is insufferable!!

napi21

(45,806 posts)
8. I want Bernie to stay in the race until the Convention, mostly because I want him to have as much
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:45 PM
May 2016

influence on the party platform as possible. It's also customary for the losing candidate to negotiate certain positions from the winner in exchange for endorsing the winner & urging his/her supporters to support the winner as well.

There IS one other thing that I honestly hope doesn't happen, but it's a potential problem hanging out there. What about the FBI report? What IF that report is bad? I have no idea what's taking the FBI so damn long to get through the info and arrive at a conclusion, and Comey won't say anything. I know politics in involved...it always is. He's a Dem. Why not put a little priority on this and get it over with?

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
10. It is bad enough to prevent individuals from voting in elections
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

but now the argument seems to have moved to preventing a whole states from voting, several of them in fact.

All of the potential voters in the remaining states need to be given their right to cast a vote. The only reason to try to prevent this from happening is to manipulate the final results.

Sam

moriah

(8,311 posts)
19. Dafuq????
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:17 AM
May 2016

You got that from this?


Earlier this week, Clinton said in an interview on MSNBC that Sanders “has every right to finish out this primary season.” And last month, she told reporters when asked if she understands why her opponent would want to stay in the race, "It’s up to everyone to decide how long they stay in and if we go to the end ... just as I did in ’08.”


Remember that Hillary did not drop out until the final primaries (and spent the night writing her concession speech).

That's where this part comes in:

"I withdrew, I endorsed (Obama), I campaigned with him, I nominated him at the convention, I went to the floor of the convention and moved that he be nominated by acclamation. Because I knew this: That whatever differences we might’ve had in the campaign, they were nothing compared to the difference between us and the Republicans,” she said, making an argument about party unity. “Now if that was true in ’08, that is true on steroids today, right?”


If there's a "movemen"t for either candidate to concede, it shouldn't be until after all the states have voted. I agree completely. Bernie and many of his supporters are suggesting going further, and Hillary explained why she did as she did after she had lost in pledged delegates.

Personally, I say wait and see, and see if proportional SuperDelegates allocation would give Bernie the nomination. I don't think it will, but we still have people who haven't voted. They should get their voice. But dragging it to the Convention if he can't even win under that scenario? That's what I disagree with.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. so whattcha' offerin? 'cause we all know you didn't do it for free cost Obama $22,000,000 to pay
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

your campaign debts oh and then there's this little SoS thingy and what happened at your meeting with the DNC-now that's transcript I'd love to see

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
15. So your point is that Hillary is a quiter and Bernie isn't?
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

We will never quit. Your side might as well get use to it.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
17. So are the "praying for an indictment" posts, but that's what trash thread is for.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:07 AM
May 2016

Personally, I appreciated the article. As you may or may not appreciate other threads.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
20. Why are these reported as if new comments?
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:20 AM
May 2016

I know I've heard this from her before.

Sanders' is in until the convention. Clinton, her surrogates, and supporters can whine about it all they want. He's not going anywhere. Let it go.

On Edit: Just remembered where she said the same things -- when she essentially tolds Sanders supporters "Fuck you, I have no reason to change any position one iota. I'm the winner. That's that."

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