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Pattern of smearing sex abuse victim: 28 July 1975, #Hillary2016 smeared a 12-year old rape victim (Original Post) kgnu_fan May 2016 OP
Sigh...this shit yet again? Sheepshank May 2016 #1
Your duties don't include laughing about it after the fact. ForgoTheConsequence May 2016 #2
That is bullshit. Look it up on Snopes yourself to find out why. HERVEPA May 2016 #6
I listened to the interview and read the victim's response. No it isn't. icecreamfan May 2016 #16
I listened to the tape and yes, Hillary was laughing about getting the guy off. Which was sickening. Baobab May 2016 #53
That didn't happen, and false stories like this will NOT stop Hillary Clinton from winning... George II May 2016 #50
She flew all the way to Brooklyn from Arkansas with the dirty underwear Baobab May 2016 #56
HRC was NOT a public defender. It was a favor for someone she knew. kgnu_fan May 2016 #25
She didn't even want to take the case. JTFrog May 2016 #29
Both are correct. It was a "favor" and she was "appointed". And she laughed about it. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #36
She was a lawyer at a legal clinic and she was asked by the judge to take the case. pnwmom May 2016 #45
Thanks. 840high May 2016 #63
Where does that document say anything about .... George II May 2016 #65
Yep. Again and again and again.There's one DU poster who can be counted COLGATE4 May 2016 #58
The pattern of smearing women with fantasy stories of being raped, and then having the Thinkingabout May 2016 #3
She painted the 12-yr old girl as an unstable little slut who wanted older men farleftlib May 2016 #9
Sanders was representing who. Guess you are not familiar with Defense attorneys, Thinkingabout May 2016 #14
She was a lawyer defending a client. nolawarlock May 2016 #4
He does have a problem with his three wives... scscholar May 2016 #30
Broaddrick: I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. AG raped me and Hillary tried to silence me kgnu_fan May 2016 #5
lolz and now Broderick obamanut2012 May 2016 #8
This shows HRC was an outstanding ethical Public Defender obamanut2012 May 2016 #7
By saying the little girl was unstable and chased older men? farleftlib May 2016 #11
Yes, she did what she was legally and ethical bound to do obamanut2012 May 2016 #22
nothing ethical about knowing he was guilty and laughing at getting him off on a technicality Joob May 2016 #57
I have never heard of a public defender flying to Brooklyn from Arkansas on the public dime Baobab May 2016 #59
K&R COLGATE4 May 2016 #60
Look at Pattern: Liza Featherstone on the issues of sexual assault, rape, and the Clintons. kgnu_fan May 2016 #10
lolz at your posts obamanut2012 May 2016 #19
Most of you know I am not a Hillary Fan, but this is unfair! Chasstev365 May 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #13
breitbart as a source, eh? obamanut2012 May 2016 #18
Brietbart? Dick "Toe Sucker" Morris? Chasstev365 May 2016 #20
Former White House aide @kathleenwilley says @billclinton sexually assaulted her in the Oval Office kgnu_fan May 2016 #15
Oh boy obamanut2012 May 2016 #17
Kathleen Willey Demsrule86 May 2016 #26
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #40
Hillary's got a lot of nerve... kgnu_fan May 2016 #21
You are nothing but a right wing troll. ronnykmarshall May 2016 #41
Results of Jury grossproffit May 2016 #43
Was just about to post the result myself, thanks. George II May 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #23
You do understand she was his lawyer right? Demsrule86 May 2016 #24
If I heard correctly today, when asked about this case Purveyor May 2016 #33
Se Acabo KingFlorez May 2016 #27
Lol that gif... Agschmid May 2016 #39
She was a lawyer to defend the powerful...on behalf of the poweful. So is she now. kgnu_fan May 2016 #28
Oh, seriously, if you believe that anyone accused of a crime doesn't deserve a defense.. moriah May 2016 #42
Sigh......... Beacool May 2016 #31
Thank you! COLGATE4 May 2016 #61
Because "defense" isn't a Constitutional right or anything? moriah May 2016 #32
Yeah, baby! Reheat this lying bullshit! I love it. Buzz Clik May 2016 #34
are you kidding? ronnykmarshall May 2016 #37
and of course the Bury.... ronnykmarshall May 2016 #35
Guess you shouldn't have backed a candidate despised by most grassroots Democratic activists. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #38
On the bright side, the OP had a post of their hidden in this thread Tarc May 2016 #44
It would not let me reply to you on that. First hidden post, they have to change my hide AuntPatsy May 2016 #55
Unfortunately, you're unable to respond to anything here anymore Tarc May 2016 #46
They are running our of outrages ... so they recycle them. JoePhilly May 2016 #67
Her lack of empathy in the recording is sociopathic. Bonobo May 2016 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author COLGATE4 May 2016 #62
I'm guessing this is a huge conversation at freeperville. zappaman May 2016 #48
What are you trying to prove or accomplish with this? George II May 2016 #51
THANKS JURY Starry Messenger May 2016 #52
Are you hanging you head in shame yet? Sheepshank May 2016 #54
You don't think Bill should hang 840high May 2016 #64
The wheel of outrage spins round and round. JoePhilly May 2016 #66
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
1. Sigh...this shit yet again?
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

Look up the duties and responsibilities of public defenders. I know a public defender. A very difficult and heart breaking requirement of the law to do their very best, every time.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
6. That is bullshit. Look it up on Snopes yourself to find out why.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

About all that is correct is that she did defend him. Everyone is entitled to a defense in our system, in case you were unaware.

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
16. I listened to the interview and read the victim's response. No it isn't.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:26 PM
May 2016

She cracked a joke about polygraphs and comes across as bragging about getting the guy off with about a year for a rape that caused a coma and permanent physical damages.

I found the interview tape disturbing.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
53. I listened to the tape and yes, Hillary was laughing about getting the guy off. Which was sickening.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

listen to it, don't make any judgments- till you hear it. She misrepresented the situation to the judge, too IMHO. because of the spoliation of evidence. It sounds like the rapist was a loser but he was from a rich family.

Anyway, NO I WOULD NOT LIKE HER TO BE PRESIDENT. SHE'S CLEARLY DISHONEST.

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. That didn't happen, and false stories like this will NOT stop Hillary Clinton from winning...
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

...the Democratic nomination for President or being elected President.

I don't know what the OP hopes to accomplish with that.

Again, everyone should research the responsibilities and obligations of a court appointed attorney.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
56. She flew all the way to Brooklyn from Arkansas with the dirty underwear
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016

now that is above and beyond the call of duty.

kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)
25. HRC was NOT a public defender. It was a favor for someone she knew.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

This doc shows:
1) HRC was NOT a public defender, but volunteered.
2) Smeared the girl by implying she was crazy.
https://twitter.com/JeanetteJing/status/727395706248421376


Hillary supporters are saying that she had to take the case. She didn't have to. It was a favor for someone she knew
https://twitter.com/retasue47/status/727401625577353217

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
45. She was a lawyer at a legal clinic and she was asked by the judge to take the case.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:15 PM
May 2016

When a judge in a small town asks a legal clinic lawyer for a favor, it isn't a choice.

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. Where does that document say anything about ....
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

....her volunteering or doing anyone a favor?

And now tweets are a valid source of the "truth"?

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
58. Yep. Again and again and again.There's one DU poster who can be counted
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:49 PM
May 2016

on to post this shit whenever an opportunity arises. They don't care about the right of an accused to have a professional and vigorous defense. They don't care about a lawyer's professional obligations and duties to his/her client. It's "my mind is made up - hang him (and hang his lawyer, too). Very disheartening. Wish they still required Civics classes in High School.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. The pattern of smearing women with fantasy stories of being raped, and then having the
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:13 PM
May 2016

Article published. Hillary was the attorney defending someone who was charged. Who in the hell was Sanders defending? No one, makes lots of difference.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
9. She painted the 12-yr old girl as an unstable little slut who wanted older men
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

I don't see how that was a necessary part of a vigorous defense.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
14. Sanders was representing who. Guess you are not familiar with Defense attorneys,
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

You just may find more statements like this. Sanders was not an attorney, wrote a terrible article, managed to offend women and then sent it in to be published, what was he thinking?

obamanut2012

(26,083 posts)
8. lolz and now Broderick
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

Who even KEN STARR found unbelievable and dishonest.

lolz

You forgot Vince Foster. PLEASE mention him, or money laundering, so I can get CDS Bingo!

obamanut2012

(26,083 posts)
7. This shows HRC was an outstanding ethical Public Defender
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:18 PM
May 2016

Every time someone on here posts this, that is ALL is shows. It's a compliment to Hillary. Everyone who needs a court-appointed attorney should be lucky enough to have one as ethical and vigorous as she was.

Doing anything less for her client than she did -- which many overworked PDs do -- would have been illegal and unethical, and grounds for her license taken away.

So, by all means continue showing the world how ethical HRC is.

THANKS!!!!!!!

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
11. By saying the little girl was unstable and chased older men?
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:21 PM
May 2016

That was both cruel and unnecessary. And UNethical.

obamanut2012

(26,083 posts)
22. Yes, she did what she was legally and ethical bound to do
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:30 PM
May 2016

That's what defense attorneys do, and she was court-appointed. Anything less was unethical. There's a reason why private criminal defense attorneys often don't take these cases. HRC didn't have a choice.

I never get why OPs choose this to smear HRC with, because the smear is ridiculous.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
57. nothing ethical about knowing he was guilty and laughing at getting him off on a technicality
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:43 PM
May 2016

Sorry. Maybe it was a nervous laugh, doesn't matter.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
12. Most of you know I am not a Hillary Fan, but this is unfair!
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

She was a lawyer and it's a crappy job sometimes. I'm sure it sucked having to defend the indefensible.

Response to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #26)

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
43. Results of Jury
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

On Thu May 5, 2016, 11:01 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You are nothing but a right wing troll.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1909266

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Unacceptable to tell another poster fuck you and calling them a troll

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu May 5, 2016, 11:09 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Dragging up a 20 year old bogus charge? I probably would have reacted the same way. STOP this character assassination and you won't be spoken to like that. Perfectly acceptable in today's DU environment. LEAVE IT.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: nope, does not pass the rules ronny

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Textbook personal attack. Hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Normally, I would vote to hide this, but this OP is despicable. They've sourced Breibart and even brought up Kathleen Willey.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What a kooky election season...
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Easy hide.

Response to kgnu_fan (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,607 posts)
24. You do understand she was his lawyer right?
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:33 PM
May 2016

Everyone has the right to a defense. 75...you think this is really important?

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
33. If I heard correctly today, when asked about this case
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

she for some reason laughed about it.

Supposedly there is tape of this interview.


moriah

(8,311 posts)
42. Oh, seriously, if you believe that anyone accused of a crime doesn't deserve a defense..
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:00 PM
May 2016

... Even the guilty ones, then you hardly could be the advocate for criminal justice reform.

http://jezebel.com/about-that-time-hillary-clinton-smeared-a-tween-rape-vi-1593808728

She was ordered to take the case. She managed to get him to take the plea deal, so he didn't go free and she didn't have to testify in open court. From the difference between 2008 and 2016 -interviews, the survivor may never have known that Hillary had put those things in writing until the news media decided to drag it out before the world (she was critical of the people who wrote the stories as much as Hillary in recent interviews.

We have worked to reform laws that allowed rape defense attorneys to slander their prior sexual history, etc, but this case was over 40 years ago. We still need to improve on them, no question.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
32. Because "defense" isn't a Constitutional right or anything?
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:41 PM
May 2016

Remember, she wasn't getting paid to take that case (edit: in the sense of by the client) She was ordered to take the case. And as a defense attorney in that case, she was subject to the Arkansas version, at that time, of this ABA model rule:

A lawyer's responsibilities as a representative of clients, an officer of the legal system and a public citizen are usually harmonious. Thus, when an opposing party is well represented, a lawyer can be a zealous advocate on behalf of a client and at the same time assume that justice is being done. So also, a lawyer can be sure that preserving client confidences ordinarily serves the public interest because people are more likely to seek legal advice, and thereby heed their legal obligations, when they know their communications will be private.


She probably carefully worded it to say "these things have been told to me" because she couldn't truthfully suggest they were facts vs innuendo that should have been disregarded, even if that's what her client wanted.

http://jezebel.com/about-that-time-hillary-clinton-smeared-a-tween-rape-vi-1593808728
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
34. Yeah, baby! Reheat this lying bullshit! I love it.
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:47 PM
May 2016

When will you be leaving? You know -- tombstone. granite cookie. ppr.

Soon? Certainly not too soon.

ronnykmarshall

(35,356 posts)
37. are you kidding?
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:56 PM
May 2016

This poster will be given a gold star and praised here in GD-Bernie aka Bernie Underground.

Fucking bullshit keep spewing.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
38. Guess you shouldn't have backed a candidate despised by most grassroots Democratic activists. (nt)
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:56 PM
May 2016

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
44. On the bright side, the OP had a post of their hidden in this thread
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

which makes the unable to contribute any further to it.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
55. It would not let me reply to you on that. First hidden post, they have to change my hide
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:36 PM
May 2016

I was attempting hiding the Bill garbage that's more worthy of somewhere else entirely , your response should not be hidden, it is getting kind of horrifying the amount of RW garbage being used, it takes away from fairness and should not be allowed, perhaps you can change it, I got confused u til I saw the results.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
46. Unfortunately, you're unable to respond to anything here anymore
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:15 PM
May 2016

But I have to wonder what the end game is here. What is the goal or purpose in mind when one brings up tis kind of nonsense?

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
47. Her lack of empathy in the recording is sociopathic.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:17 PM
May 2016

She brags about her role in getting the guy off and laughs about knowing he was actually guilty---and NEVER does she show an ounce of sympathy for the victim.

Those are facts.

Response to Bonobo (Reply #47)

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
52. THANKS JURY
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:30 PM
May 2016

On Thu May 5, 2016, 07:25 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Fmr Advisor Morris: I Left When Hillary Hired Secret Police to Go After Woman Victimized by Bill
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1909040

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

For the love of criminy--brietbart as a source?? Why not just link to Free Republic and drop the pretense.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu May 5, 2016, 07:39 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agreed. To quote Skinner in an answer he recently gave someone in the Ask the Administrators group:

"Frankly I find it appalling that anyone on DU would use sources like The Blaze, The Weekly Standard, The Daily Caller, or Breitbart to tear down any Democrat. Whenever I'm on a jury for stuff like that I vote to hide it. But apparently some DUers seem to buy into the old adage that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." But let's be clear: These websites are not our friend."
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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