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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:49 AM May 2016

243 previously unseen HRC emails released today.

The documents were obtained by Judicial Watch in response a court order in a May 5,2015, Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed against the State Department, after it failed to respond to a March 18 FOIA request (Judicial Watch, Inc. v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:15-cv-00684)). The lawsuit seeks:

Emails of official State Department business received or sent by former Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin from January 1, 2009 through February 1, 2013 using a non-“state.gov” email address.

Many of the documents predate March 18, 2009, go back as far as January, and were not turned over by Clinton to the State Department from her non-government server. The emails cover topics such as: her schedule and travel plans; criticisms of Clinton by Richard Gere; Afghanistan; U.S. financial aid and security concerns for several Pacific Islands; the recommendation for a health care system overhaul; and food security.

Other previously unreleased emails are dated March 18, 2009, despite suggestions by Clinton that she had turned over emails with that date. These emails refer to, among other things, her “friends at Planned Parenthood” and a call to Bill Clinton’s former National Security Adviser, the late Sandy Berger, who was convicted of illegally removing classified documents from the National Archives.

On October 16, 2011, Clinton sent a “confidential” backgrounder from former Ambassador to Malta Doug Kmiec (sent from his apparently unsecure server) to aides Abedin and Cheryl Mills. The email has since been redacted due to its classified nature. Specifically, Kmiec discusses sensitive persons and organizations working in the U.S. Embassy in Malta – the U.S. Maritime training program with the “AFM” (Armed Forces of Malta).

The Abedin emails include an exchange with Clinton’s former Deputy Chief of Staff Jacob Sullivan, in which Abedin suggests Clinton would often complain of being “exhausted”:

From: Abedin, Huma
To: Sullivan, Jacob J.
Sent: Thursday, April 16 18:54:22 2009
Subject:

I have to go to the dinner with her [state dinner in Santa Domingo, Dominican Republic]
I just got the I’m exhausted thing from her and Eugene [likely Eugene Bae, Clinton’s advance official] isn’t going to be able to tell Oscar de la Renta to shut up.


A March 31, 2011, email from State Department official Michael Hammer to Abedin and others shows yet another non-State.gov email address of HumaMAbedin[Redacted], which differs from the known Huma@clintonemail.com and HAbedin@hillaryclinton.com.

“These emails further undermine Hillary Clinton’s statement, under penalty of perjury, suggesting she turned over all of her government emails to the State Department,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “How many more Hillary Clinton emails is the Obama State Department hiding?”

Hillary Clinton has repeatedly stated that the 55,000 pages of documents she turned over to the State Department in December 2014 included all of her work-related emails. In response to a court order in other Judicial Watch litigation, she declared under penalty of perjury that she had “directed that all my emails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or are potentially federal records be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done.” This new email find is also at odds with her official campaign statement:

On December 5, 2014, 30,490 copies of work or potentially work-related emails sent and received by Clinton from March 18, 2009, to February 1, 2013, were provided to the State Department. This totaled roughly 55,000 pages. More than 90% of her work or potentially work-related emails provided to the Department were already in the State Department’s record-keeping system because those e-mails were sent to or received by “state.gov” accounts.

Early in her term, Clinton continued using an att.blackberry.net account that she had used during her Senate service. Given her practice from the beginning of emailing State Department officials on their state.gov accounts, her work-related emails during these initial weeks would have been captured and preserved in the State Department’s record-keeping system. She, however, no longer had access to these emails once she transitioned from this account.

The Associated Press previously reported that the State Department received from the Department of Defense emails between Clinton and General David Petraeus that also predate March 2009. Those emails have not been released to the public.

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243 previously unseen HRC emails released today. (Original Post) grasswire May 2016 OP
Interesting Gucciger, Manning, Panama Papers docs on this web page: CentralCoaster May 2016 #1
Guccifer Hacking Charges, pleading, court documents, etc. Samantha May 2016 #7
the mass of info dumping is quite mind boggling right now. grasswire May 2016 #13
I jumped on my rowing machine for 20 minutes Aerows May 2016 #17
*kicked alot more pebbles* desmiller May 2016 #29
I am thinking that no one is really surprised by this Samantha May 2016 #2
Oh, see also this page: CentralCoaster May 2016 #3
Thanks. 840high May 2016 #8
That word perjury comes up again. HooptieWagon May 2016 #4
Are you going to read every one of them? nolawarlock May 2016 #5
I hope there's some good recipes ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #14
:-D nolawarlock May 2016 #15
I have a recipe. Aerows May 2016 #18
her sworn declaration grasswire May 2016 #6
Nothing to see there. You don't speak Clinton... Bob41213 May 2016 #40
gotta parse every word with them.. nt grasswire May 2016 #42
You say that like it's a bad thing scscholar May 2016 #51
Yeah, I mean who wants to believe anything the President says... Bob41213 May 2016 #53
OMG, I saw that IMMEDIATELY and thought, yup, Clintonese. FlatBaroque May 2016 #47
. haikugal May 2016 #9
thank you grasswire May 2016 #11
How convienient. They've taken the mask off haven't they?! haikugal May 2016 #58
well she was clearly lying under penalty of perjury; this is not the first time, I believe amborin May 2016 #10
yeah grasswire May 2016 #12
We no longer have the rule of law in this country, she is immune from perjury laws... Dragonfli May 2016 #16
"Clearly lying"? I'd be surprised ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #21
agree, though occasionally it's totally blatant amborin May 2016 #23
Republicans agree that Clinton lies a lot uponit7771 May 2016 #26
So do a lot of Democrats and Independents. Fuddnik May 2016 #33
Mostly hate filled racist Donald Trump supporter types uponit7771 May 2016 #35
So do her records and videos and positions and hidden secrets now emerging. libdem4life May 2016 #37
No, it sure isn't. I think it's reflexive with her cali May 2016 #28
More info paulthompson May 2016 #19
One more thing paulthompson May 2016 #20
They are different, just like Microsoft's Hotmail & Outlook accounts differ using same portal. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #22
Question.. KoKo May 2016 #24
This gets back to the problem of how Hillary determined what was work related in the first place. thesquanderer May 2016 #36
You know why she did it that way don't you? Bob41213 May 2016 #59
thank you for pointing out that I use the words "HRC emails" generically... grasswire May 2016 #63
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #25
False and misleading OP, more wingerish tripe posted on DU uponit7771 May 2016 #27
+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #31
More dead end pursuits. No wonder she won't release her transcripts. oasis May 2016 #30
kick kgnu_fan May 2016 #32
Judicial Watch -- this is your idea of a credible source? procon May 2016 #34
Doesn't matter. The MSM won't cover Bernie or HRCs scandals. libdem4life May 2016 #38
JW is supervised in this legal matter by federal Judge Emmet Sullivan -- grasswire May 2016 #39
What is this allegation, "HRC who has angered the judge"? procon May 2016 #43
you apparently haven't seen everything Sullivan has said about the case. nt grasswire May 2016 #62
Two Federal Judges have allowed Discovery to go foward in the FOIA KoKo May 2016 #45
Judicial Watch Demsrule86 May 2016 #50
Why so much focus on, "One judge was appointed by Bill Clinton"? procon May 2016 #54
Because everything from Judical Watch is considered "CT." n/t KoKo May 2016 #56
Why should we trust David Brock's Media Matters anymore? 2cannan May 2016 #66
Is that supposed to serve as a counter to Judicial Watch? procon May 2016 #67
immaterial. nt grasswire May 2016 #68
Sigh. FBI needs to pull the trigger soon. IdaBriggs May 2016 #41
Just tell Oscar de la Renta to shut up Eugene! lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #44
That WAS pretty bizarre.... KoKo May 2016 #46
This is 80% of what people dislike about Clinton in 20 words or less. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #48
and poor Huma couldn't get out of having dinner with her. SMH nt grasswire May 2016 #61
I must be obtuse but who is Eugene?? nt 2cannan May 2016 #64
Such a good thing she had a private server Demsrule86 May 2016 #49
K & R AzDar May 2016 #52
K&R nenagh May 2016 #55
to be fair, rage against Oscar de la Renta is something we can all agree with MisterP May 2016 #57
yes, that grasswire May 2016 #60
Scandalous. complain jane May 2016 #65

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
7. Guccifer Hacking Charges, pleading, court documents, etc.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:04 AM
May 2016
https://cryptome.org/2016/04/guccifer-arraigned-detained.pdf

Very interesting. I could not read it all because of the length, but many here I am sure would like to make note of this.

Sam

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
13. the mass of info dumping is quite mind boggling right now.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:23 AM
May 2016

I had to clean house to get away from it for a while today. LOL

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. I jumped on my rowing machine for 20 minutes
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:56 AM
May 2016

to clear my head.

The avalanche is coming; a few pebbles have been knocked loose.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
2. I am thinking that no one is really surprised by this
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:55 AM
May 2016

Thank you so much for posting it. Interesting.

Sam

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
18. I have a recipe.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:58 AM
May 2016

You can stick a fork in it for the Democratic party if she is our nominee.

We are heading towards done.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
6. her sworn declaration
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:01 AM
May 2016

On August 10, 2015, Judicial Watch announced that the State Department submitted to the court a sworn declaration from Clinton regarding federal records on her controversial email system. The declaration states:

I, Hillary Rodham Clinton, declare under penalty of perjury that the following is true and correct:

While I do not know what information may be “responsive” for purposes of this law suit, I have directed that all my e-mails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records to be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done.
As a result of my directive, approximately 55,000 pages of these emails were produced to the Department on December 5, 2014.
Cheryl Mills did not have an account on clintonemail.com. Huma Abedin did have such an account which was used at times for government business.
The document is signed by “Hillary Rodham Clinton.” The State Department was ordered by US District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan on July 31 to request that Clinton and her top aides confirm, under penalty of perjury, that they have produced all government records in their possession and to return any other government records immediately.
............

Bob41213

(491 posts)
40. Nothing to see there. You don't speak Clinton...
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:52 PM
May 2016

She totally covered her behind... Note my bold.

I have directed that all my e-mails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records to be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done.

She's going to say she told them and ooops... It's a lie but she covered her perjured butt.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
51. You say that like it's a bad thing
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

We want a President that is very careful with their wording. Someone reckless like Trump will destroy us.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
11. thank you
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:42 AM
May 2016

And today the State Department has said it will not answer any more FOIA requests until after the election.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
16. We no longer have the rule of law in this country, she is immune from perjury laws...
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:47 AM
May 2016

Sure, you can go to prison for stealing food if you are a serf, you can go to prison for growing a plant even. But the rule of law only applies to peasants. If you are a high government official, a thug doing their dirty work (rape, murder, torture, kidnapping, anything really) or are a billionaire that profits those in high public office (stealing billions in money or real estate, killing people by denying procedures and medicines as the "gatekeepers of health", or imprisoning people for the sake of profit) you are above the law, the law simply doesn't apply to you.

Once when these same facts were true in a monarchy that made the same distinctions regarding royalty and serf classes, there were those that rebelled against such an immune royalty which were allowed to abuse the people, steal everything from them (there homes, their health, even their lives) and face no consequences. Revolutions were fought and promises were made by the victors, Promises such as the rule of law applies to all or it applies to none. Promises that now ring hollow as the champions of a fair government slowly over time devolved back into what was and what always had been, a system of an elite few above laws possessing nearly all the wealth while laws were used exclusively against their victims - the majority that go hungry and grow sick under the rule of that elite.


We have come full circle now. Now it is common for a financial and political higher class to never have to fear laws that would imprison any commoner and we are supposed to accept this, cheer it even as the lord of our castle defeats the lord of some other castle. But the bread and circuses grow ever more scarce. The illusions of fairness ever more transparent, and the cruelties ever more severe.

If we are to follow laws that do not apply to our masters. If our masters are given the fruits of all of our labors while we search our dirt floors for crumbs as they laugh in their mansions discussing ways to extract even more from their impoverished serfs. Perhaps we are less than serfs, perhaps we are dogs that now only lick the hands of the masters that beat us. Perhaps the dream of shared prosperity and happiness has finally died within our hearts and our minds.

Perhaps we deserve our fate because we so meekly, even proudly in some cases accept it.

[font size="1"; color="191970"](originally posted by me as an OP Mon Apr 21, 2014, 01:40 PM http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024852198)[/font]



[font size="1"; color="green"]*this OP was inspired by this one that went largely unread as well as what is common knowledge regarding the financial elite in the speculative and banking "industries" that break laws with impunity and the blessing of our government[/font]

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,354 posts)
21. "Clearly lying"? I'd be surprised ...
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:28 AM
May 2016

... if Clinton uttered anything "clearly". She usually speaks legalese in long, subject-changing pretzels of sentences.

Perjury will be a matter of parsing multiple possible meanings of "is".

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
37. So do her records and videos and positions and hidden secrets now emerging.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:32 PM
May 2016

Oh yeah, and a whole bunch of Independents. You do realize that they always call the GE winner. 1/3rd Rs, 1/3 Ds, and 1/3 Is.

Of course the system is crafted to subvert that simple math.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
19. More info
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:05 AM
May 2016

I've just spent the past couple of hours investigating this. Grasswire, your headline actually is not true. These are the emails of Huma Abedin, Clinton's former deputy chief of staff. All her emails are going to be released in monthly batches stretching into 2017, and this is the first release.

That said, there are a few dozen emails in this batch sent to or from Hillary Clinton. I've analyzed those, and a majority of them were NOT included in the 30,000 work related emails that Clinton made public. Yet most if not all of them are clearly work related. In fact, in some cases, the email to Clinton was public released, and yet the reply Clinton made was not!

So what this tells me, based on the percentages from this small sample, is that thousands of Clinton's deleted emails were in fact work related. This is what I already surmised in the essay I wrote a few days ago:

http://thompsontimeline.com/IS_CLINTON%27S_EMAIL_SCANDAL_FOR_REAL%3F

None of the Clinton emails I saw from this batch seem to contain any obvious bombshells. But then again we only have a small sample of a few dozen emails. Based on this sample, I think it's safe to say that the number of classified emails is going to go up significantly, when all of her 31,000 deleted emails are accounted for.

Hopefully I'll be able to write more on this tomorrow, after doing some more digging. But this shows that, if nothing else, the FBI should have a slum dunk case if they want to prosecute Clinton for obstruction of justice and destruction of evidence. Remember, Clinton has said that she turned over all her work emails, and if anything was a borderline case, she turned that over too, just to be sure. That clearly is not true.

This is the fourth case we've seen of more of her work emails coming out, and there's bound to be more with each new batch of Huma Abedin emails that comes out, since most of these were a random sample. That process will continue into 2017. Furthermore, lawsuits are in motion to release the emails of her other top aides, and why would her deleted emails only be sent to or from Abedin? So we're likely to see a steady release of emails Clinton deleted literally for the next couple of years.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
20. One more thing
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:10 AM
May 2016

Oh, and two of the emails reveal another private email address Clinton used for work that was previously unknown until now: hr15@att.blackberry.net or hr15@mycingular.blackberry.net. I think they're the same email, since ATT and Cingular are the same company.

The more info that comes out, the worse this story gets for her.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. Question..
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:00 PM
May 2016

What source are the Abedin EMails coming from? DOS? the Thumb Drive her lawyer stored? FBI Recovery? And, who is deciding which batches get released first?

Thanks, again, Paul for all your work on this!

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
36. This gets back to the problem of how Hillary determined what was work related in the first place.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:31 PM
May 2016

She determined what was work related, not by reviewing the emails, but by implementing some algorithms. Specifically, anything sent to or from a .gov address was considered work-related (which would not capture email to anyone else who was using the clintonemail.com domain, i.e. her staff who also had email accounts on the private server); and also emails that had certain keywords (like "libya" or "benghazi&quot . There are an awful lot of holes in that approach. I can't see any way she can get justify the idea that emails sent to her deputy chief of staff (among others) were, as a whole, not work-related.

I discussed some of this in more detail at http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511849873

Bob41213

(491 posts)
59. You know why she did it that way don't you?
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:27 PM
May 2016

To cover her behind. Oh, there were some work related emails I missed? Oops, my algorithm must have missed them, my bad. It was part of the deniability.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
63. thank you for pointing out that I use the words "HRC emails" generically...
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

....lumping everything that is part of the investigation as that.

oasis

(49,393 posts)
30. More dead end pursuits. No wonder she won't release her transcripts.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:08 PM
May 2016

This kind of crap would never end.

procon

(15,805 posts)
34. Judicial Watch -- this is your idea of a credible source?
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:27 PM
May 2016

Seriously, were you too embarrassed to even include the link? If you're going to use a far right group founded by that crackpot Birther conspiracy theorist Larry Klayman, be loud and proud of that affliation.


"The organization has played a key role in the ongoing controversy over the email system Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state. Records obtained from the State Department by Judicial Watch have served as fodder in the media and for the House Select Committee on Benghazi."


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/10/02/meet-judicial-watch-a-driving-force-behind-the/205941




The GOP and their friends at Judicial Watch, thank you for supporting their efforts to weaken the leading Democratic candidate and put Trump in the White House.
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
38. Doesn't matter. The MSM won't cover Bernie or HRCs scandals.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

So if the information is appropriate, the fact that "we" don't like the messenger, is pretty much a moot point.

It's a pretty good racket set up to protect her, and denigrate those who deign to offer inconvenient facts. If I or one of mine is about to get run over, I really don't care if it is my friendly neighbor or the one I don't like who yells to get my attention. I need to get the heck out of the street.

Same here. Sorry, Kill the Messenger, as I will also be labeled, is getting Old, Tired, Ignorant and just plain Stupid as a political technique, considering the potential harm that lies ahead.

Yet, I realize that's about all there is, as the Emperess has no Political Clothes.


grasswire

(50,130 posts)
39. JW is supervised in this legal matter by federal Judge Emmet Sullivan --
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:43 PM
May 2016

a Clinton appointee.

Ignore at your peril. It's HRC who has angered the judge.

procon

(15,805 posts)
43. What is this allegation, "HRC who has angered the judge"?
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:40 PM
May 2016

This was from a disputed FOIA request. There was no "angry" judge, just a legal OK on an agreement between the two sides.



"Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, approved a joint proposal presented by Judicial Watch and the State Department ...

"Based on information learned during discovery, the deposition of Mrs. Clinton, may be unnecessary," Sullivan wrote.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politics/hillary-clinton-email-state-department/index.html




Your fictionalized interpretation is as biased as the similar alarms and admonitions found in rightwing forums where a mass of conspiracy theorists are just as convinced that any day now the smoking guns will magically pop up and take down Hillary so their guy can win unopposed. Best of luck.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
45. Two Federal Judges have allowed Discovery to go foward in the FOIA
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

Lawsuits filed by Judicial Watch. One judge was appointed by Bill Clinton.

That's not "Conspiracy Theory" and Your Source is the discredited David Brock.

procon

(15,805 posts)
54. Why so much focus on, "One judge was appointed by Bill Clinton"?
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

Is that supposed to mean a FOIA request is more serious, or legitimate when a Clinton appointed judge signs off on it? And how did this Brock fellow appear?

Here, let me walk you through this particular Conspiracy Theory, which has nothing to do with judges, but rather the volume of noise coming from the cottage industry built by rightwing wackos and passed on by the Bernie camp, two unlikely factions that are dedicated to taking down Hillary Clinton.

Both groups are convinced that this ruling is something more than it is at face value, and they speculate, hypothesis, and confabulate, they fantasize and weave together the most complex conspiracy theories to support their yearning need for validation. How many times has this fiction been repeated every time a new player comes on stage? A few days ago it was the Romanian hacker, today it's the Clinton judge, and tomorrow might be something even better, you postulate, that will be the one, for sure, or maybe this is really going to be the last nail in Hillary's coffin that paves the route free and clear for your candidate to win.



2cannan

(344 posts)
66. Why should we trust David Brock's Media Matters anymore?
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

This is from Paul Thompson's Clinton Email Scandal Timeline.

snip

Shortly After March 2, 2015: The main government watchdog trying to get Clinton's emails is silenced by a Clinton ally. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) had been pursuing the public release of all of Clinton's emails. CREW has been one of the top political watchdog organizations, targeting unethical and corrupt behavior in both major political parties. But in August 2014, CREW was effectively taken over by David Brock, a close Clinton ally who runs the main Super PAC (political action committee) for her presidential campaign. In December 2012, CREW filed the first Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request seeking Clinton's emails from when she was secretary of state, and that began a long legal battle over the issue. However, after Clinton's email scandal becomes public following a New York Times story on it on March 2, 2015, the new CREW leadership decides not to pursue the issue. Anne Weismann, CREW's chief counsel who led the search for the emails, will later comment, "It was made quite clear to me that CREW and I would not be commenting publicly on the issue of Secretary Clinton using a personal email account to conduct agency business. The fact that we said nothing on that subject says volumes." Weismann soon quits CREW as a result. Others also quit. Louis Mayberg, a cofounder of CREW, quits in March 2015, saying, "I have no desire to serve on a board of an organization devoted to partisanship." He also says that CREW's lack of action regarding the email scandal is another key factor in his departure. (Bloomberg News, 4/11/2016)



http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_-_Long_Version_-_Part_4

procon

(15,805 posts)
67. Is that supposed to serve as a counter to Judicial Watch?
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

There is nothing gained by trying to deny that organization has been actively fanning the email story with wild accusations, rumors from unnamed sources and salacious quotes from an anonymous contact close to the top. That sort of unsupported claptrap has always passed for evidence in Republican circles, but only recently has the Bernie bunch fund their soulmate in these GOP propaganda sources.

Look, if you're going to criticise Media Matters for pointing out what has been common knowledge for years, and reminding readers that Judicial Watch is a rightwing front group intent on helping elect Republicans, then you must also eliminate this Paul Thompson's Clinton Email Scandal Timeline for bias, too. The author of that connect-the-dots essay admits that his "aim is to document what Clinton did wrong, not what she did right." So right up front he lays out his biases and warns that his "website is attempting to make the case that the email scandal is a real scandal..." yeah, OK.

Did I mention, bias? When the writer of this epistle proudly declares, "Personally, I support Bernie Sanders," everything he says is cast in suspicion, yeah?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
41. Sigh. FBI needs to pull the trigger soon.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

And I say that not just because I have $5 and a pizza riding on it, but because this woman's idiocy is consuming valuable time we could be using to solve problems.

Kick. Rec. Bookmark.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
60. yes, that
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

He allows the Clintons and the Kissingers to use his Villa for Christmas vacations.

And his fashions stink.

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