2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFour of Hillary's 10 highest paid staffers are women. ZERO of Bernie's top 10 staffers are women.
How come?
Did he not seek out women to fill the jobs or were they not interested in working for him?
http://theslot.jezebel.com/an-investigation-which-presidential-campaigns-have-the-1762895557
ON EDIT:
By contrast with Bernie, ALL the the REPUB candidates had at least one woman among their top staffers:
Kasich: 1 woman
Trump:3 women
Cruz: 3 women
Rubio: 6 women .
pinebox
(5,761 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)I've done plenty of volunteer work for campaigns and didn't whine that I wasn't getting paid. It's a way to contribute when you can't write a check.
From your link:
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Isn't it ironic that the guy Hillary supporters label as "the socialist" actually paid his interns while people under Hillary were expected to work for free?
Rent isn't free.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and it showed.
Funny, who is the largest voting block again and of that voting block a large % are women.
Millennials.
Now as far as top staffers go, I'm 50/50 with you. I could write it out but honestly I'm sick as shit and people would accuse me of some bullshit and get what it is I am trying to say confused. Yes women make less than men, however pay is also based upon merit. Should Bernie have had a lead staffer that was female? Maybe. Maybe not.
However let's not discount that many in the Bernie campaign are female http://www.p2016.org/sanders/sandersorg.html
Maybe that explains it, maybe that doesn't, I don't know. I'm going to bed.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Bernie had had some women among his top advisors he'd have done better among them.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)The problem is I believe that many are voting for Hillary only because she is a woman.
On the issues, Bernie is better for women. From paid maternity leave to abortion.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)See, that's his problem in a nutshell. He's probably surrounded by men who think like you.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Uh.....sure. You go with that. What a load of crap. Typical battlecry from Hillary's supporters...everything is sexist.
Sorry I'm not into playing stupid games to win stupid prizes.
Welcome to my ignore list.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)to do so. She's the most qualified person running.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Hillary's supporters think everything is sexist.... you can't say that you aren't into playing stupid games. It's all you've done this primary.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Even Trump has a better with his.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Looks like you're wearing your smear attempt. Epic fail once again!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)for Nader as a "communications officer" before she moved to Bernie.
That's not the kind of resume that would make her one of the top 10 highest-paid staffers, earning $79K a year or more.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She's listed as #4 on his staff. She's smart, saavy, and a valuable asset to the team.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And he isn't. He's paying her $4879 per month (as of March 2016). Here is the FEC link:
http://linkis.com/docquery.fec.gov/pre/WYP0N
And here are his top staffers by salary.
One of them, Michael Briggs, is the "Communications Director." As Press Secretary, she probably reports to him.
Rich Pelletier, Field Director, $120,897.68
Jeffrey Weaver, Campaign Manager, $118,745.92
Michael Briggs, Communications Director, $102,640.68
Richard Eskow, Writer and Editor, $87,757.60
Jose Miranda, Arizona Director, $85,094.40
Arturo Carmona, Latino Outreach Director, $84,911.68
Marcus Ferrell, African American Outreach Director and SE Political Director, $82,895.20
Warren Gunnels, Senior Policy Advisor, $82,068.28
Jacob Limon, Texas State Director, $81,304.68
Marc Levitt, Director of Scheduling and Advance, $79,056.08
From the link at the OP.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Your sexism and racial bias show when you diminish her accomplishments
When sanders folks do what you just did to a woman of color you fly into a rage but there it is right there along with ageism
Smdh
MADem
(135,425 posts)So she's not paid like a Number 4. She's paid like a rank-n-filer, not an executive.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-report-shows-bernie-sanders-highest-paid-staffers-are-all-dudes_us_56e993b8e4b0b25c91841ee0
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/03/bernie-sanders-wage-gap.html
She'd have done well to demand a better payday, but it's too late now--she'll probably get her "pink slip" sooner rather than later.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)2. He's at the wrong end of a large gender gap.
It's logical to see a connection. If he listened to more women, he might be doing better with them.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)And Clinton said she would.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Sanders was reacting to a comment from Clinton responding to his own criticism of Donald Trump.
Trump, the GOP presidential front-runner, sparked outrage on Wednesday by suggesting that women would deserve punishment for getting an abortion if the procedure were illegal. Sanders quickly blasted Trumps remarks as shameful, adding that they distracted from a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America."
If he had had more women among his top advisors, he might have known better than to say that abortion was a distraction from the "serious issues."
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)But Clinton definitely said she was "open" to constitutional restrictions.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Sanders was reacting to a comment from Clinton responding to his own criticism of Donald Trump.
Trump, the GOP presidential front-runner, sparked outrage on Wednesday by suggesting that women would deserve punishment for getting an abortion if the procedure were illegal. Sanders quickly blasted Trumps remarks as shameful, adding that they distracted from a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America."
And he and Hillary have the same position on abortion: they fully support Roe V. Wade. And neither would support killing a healthy 39 week fetus of a healthy mother, so there are some constitutional restrictions on abortion that they could both accept.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)You have not provided a quote of him saying that... you have provided other people's spin on what he said, but you can't find an actual quote where he said that, because he didn't.
Your quote from him is a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America." Here's where he said it:
http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-full-transcript-rachel-maddow-interview-442491
Search for the string and see what he was talking about. It wasn't abortion. He was referring to Trumps's off-the-wall comments--or as he put it, "any stupid, absurd remark made by Donald Trump"--and how that suddenly captures the news cycle. His own comments about abortion are in that interview as well, along with the fact that he thought Trump's remarks were shameful. But he was trying to battle the media's Trump obsession. Clinton twisted it into something else.
This is what has really bugged me about Clinton, who I liked more earlier in the process... the way she twists things to put forth things that are clearly untrue. Sanders has been on the right side of women's issues forever. Nobody who follows these things seriously believes that he doesn't think a woman's right to choose is a serious issue. Nobody--not even Hillary, I'm sure--doubts him on this. It's the same as the auto bailout thing. Taking something out of context to put forth a "Sanders position" that he doesn't actually have, and that she knows damn well that he doesn't have. And this is part of why people don't see her as honest and trustworthy.
Of course, Hillary's twist was tossed back at Bernie, who of course explained that Hillary got the context wrong:
Sanders pointed to his 100 percent pro-choice voting record and then explained, "What she was doing is taking me out of context. If you were going to ask me about another dumb, absurd, stupid remark made by Donald Trump, I cannot spend my entire life responding to every moronic statement made by Donald Trump."
On Wednesday, Sanders had opined that "to punish a woman for having an abortion is beyond comprehension." He didn't directly call Trump's remarks an outright "distraction" but suggested that the media amplifies "every stupid remark" without covering his overall positions.
"Any stupid, absurd remark made by Donald Trump becomes the story of the week," Sanders had said Wednesday. "Maybe, just maybe, we might want to have a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sanders-explains-his-response-to-trump-remarks-on-abortion/
eridani
(51,907 posts)Young and non white apparently means not important.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)at less than $5K a month . Which is not a bad salary for a 25 year old college graduate, but doesn't make her one of the top staffers of Bernie's campaign.
As the "Press Secretary" she's under Michael Briggs, the Communications Director -- who makes more than $102K. He is #3.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Like a $15/hr minimum wage. Hillary could give a shit about the majority of minimum wage workers that are women.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Are you aware that there is ongoing research in Seattle to determine the effects of the wage increases we've had so far? They're checking to see if there have been any effects on employment levels. Hopefully there won't be, or the effects will only be positive. But they don't know yet.
And asking a place like Omak to institute a $15 hour minimum is a whole different story.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)actually had me going for a minute.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)have said that their research only supports raising it to $12. Going above that, the consequences are unknown, and there is a real risk of lowering employment levels if the minimum is raised too high.
In the meantime, researchers at UW are studying the effects. So far, the results are looking positive, but the study is still ongoing. And the results would apply to a large city like Seattle, not a small town like Omak.
http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/editorials/minimum-wage-law-this-is-not-play-money/
The UW research team, under contract with Seattle and led by professor Jacob Vigdor, is tracking 500-plus businesses and 50-plus low-wage employees for the coming years.
At first blush, there are some encouraging data in year one. Employers reported raising wages above the mandated $11, suggesting a trickle up. Two out of five employers said the higher wage would increase worker morale and lead to more job applicants.
But this is not free money. The UW research shows the march to $15 prompted 11 percent of businesses to consider or plan a move out of Seattle.
And thats before bigger wage jumps coming in the near future: Employers with more than 500 workers had to pay $13 an hour as of last January and must pay $15 an hour by next January. Smaller employers phase in slowly to $15 by 2019. Benefits packages can be counted toward some of the wage.
Many impacts are unknown. In fact, workers reported that the real impact of the 2015 jump from $9.47 an hour the statewide minimum wage then to $11 was only about $1, because the Seattle market already paid more than the state minimum.
SNIP
eridani
(51,907 posts)If wages tracked increased productivity, it would be even higher.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)millions of dollars into debt, and led to her ouster in 2011.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)She's one more common politician who screws her campaign workers out of a paycheck.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Of any and all minority or majority descriptions including those yet unknown from outer space.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)One difference between young and older I think. I can see that some of his rhetoric might have been better with a woman/women in the mix. But his substance is still driving the campaign and worrying about who is giving him help seems a little short-sighted to me. It is after all about issues - isn't it?
Aren't you making this about personality?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)http://www.thenation.com/article/why-bernie-didnt-get-my-vote/
In a long campaign, everyone says unfortunate things. But these and other remarks suggest that when it comes to gender, he just doesnt feel the burn. The problem is less that Bernie focuses on class and economic inequality than that he doesnt seem to understand that the economy, like society generally, is structured by gender and race. Equal pay is great, but if women and men are funneled into different kinds of work by race and gender, with mens jobs valued more because men are valued more, and if women are hobbled economically by doing most of the domestic labor and having to contend with prejudice against working mothers to boot, equal pay alone doesnt solve the problem. It would have been great if Bernie had given a major speech about his plans to make womens lives bettersafer, fairer, less dominated by men. Instead, he gives every sign of believing that his basic programa $15 minimum wage, free public college, breaking up the big banks, single-payer health insuranceis quite enough. Those are all great and important goalsin fact, the $15 minimum wage will benefit more women than men. But they do not speak directly to the rage and fed-upness that so many women, in every class, justly feel. Bernie showed a similar blindness to the specific harms of racism, but, thanks largely to Black Lives Matter, has moved a little further toward integrating race into his analysis.
At 74, you are who you are. Bernie is a traditional class-based leftist for whom feminism is a distraction. Abortion, as he told Rolling Stone, is a social issue. Womens mental and physical health, their economic survival, their ability to determine the shape of their own lives as men do, is a social issue? The clear implication is that reproductive rights (like guns and LGBT rights, which he mentions in the same breath) are secondary considerations, impediments to winning broad support for his populist economic proposals. I can go to the comment sections of AlterNetor The Nationand get that view any day from the bros, but I really thought wed be further along with a white man who wants to lead a movement in a party that is majority female and over a third people of color. (And thats just registered membersin 2012, 46 percent of people who voted Democratic were people of color.)
eridani
(51,907 posts)Supporting the Honduras coupsters who murder native environmentalists?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)All the black Africans running for their lives from there think it's hilarious too.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Apropos...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)from the comments- and so true.
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HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Bernie pays his women staffers equal to the men, and also pays the interns. Clinton does neither.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)She is only 25 years old so she's probably not getting $79K or more. That would be quite a salary for a recent college graduate.
http://www.essence.com/2015/08/12/6-things-bernie-sanders-press-secretary-symone-sanders
Her Last Job Was with Ralph Nader
Before joining Bernie Sanders' campaign, Symone was working as a communications officer with Ralph Nader's Public Citizen, an organization that makes sure all American citizens are represented in the government.
merrily
(45,251 posts)mean only as his wife.
I guess if you define "staffers" any way that suits you, you can say any shit about anyone. I remember when this kind of comment was made over and over about Obama, too.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)If the Hillarians want to hitch themselves to "a little bit nutty, and a little bit slutty" it only reflects poorly on them and their candidate.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)WTF is the matter with Sanders? And he's not even a Democrat.
merrily
(45,251 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I mean...it is hardly worth exchanging air molecules to resist...
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)It shouldn't.
Hekate
(90,727 posts)I learned that from the heated arguments here at DU over Barack Obama's first opportunity to choose a Supreme Court Justice. There's a certain train to thought that insists that you have to seek out the best of the best of the best for that job, and that to seek a woman or minority specifically means ipso facto they probably are only highly qualified and not the best of the best of the best.
It kind of gave me brain-cramp, but then I realized it was because I have a lady-brain and they were mansplaining the situation to me.
These things are always a mystery to me, but I try to keep up. I'm sure that Bernie would have hired some women if they were as super-qualified as the men who got hired.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)the same amount of money."
Per the Jezebel article in the OP.
Hekate
(90,727 posts)Keep spreading it around, though, and we'll have flowers next Spring.
JURY: I am not using rude words. Poster claims HRC pays female staffers 38% less than men.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)Saves a few extra bucks this way. More bucks for that secret till.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)Heard these words a bit to much lately as any wuumuunnn will do!
Very narrow thinking IMO.
Why to we need a "wuummmannnn" exactly?
I want a leader, that is what I want, one that doesn't generate non-stop wars without end!
Sanders 2016!!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)LexVegas
(6,073 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)speaking for them.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Who wants women to have universal health care? Who isn't putting restrictions on abortion? Who wants paid maternity leave?
Sorry but your comments are both disgusting and inaccurate.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)knows best. But, I feel, he does not respect women speaking for themselves. I am allowed to feel that, as blacks feel that Sanders doesn't respect their voice a hell of a lot.
frylock
(34,825 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)(ps i'm done with worrying about typos.. for now anyway...)
frylock
(34,825 posts)It's hard to keep up though.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)That's a keeper.
LOL
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)expecting women to make their coffee but not much else.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Sanders is more of the generation of women sitting quietly while the men do the serious lifting,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1910695
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This is a disgusting comment. Ageism defined and accusing Bernie's generation of enabling women to sit quietly? Over the top and downright demeaning to people who are older.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 6, 2016, 10:17 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Grasping at straws. This whole thread is nonsense.
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Explanation: The alerter needs to get a grip.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Just one person's opinion... And, given HRC is of the identical generation and only six years younger, I don't think one can make a sincere "Ageism" argument. That said, I'm still tired of the nastiness and don't agree with the comment whatsoever, but I just don't find it hide-worthy.
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)And so am i I am 72.
i hjad a woman co,me c;leam my townhuse. today she comes every few weeks.. i pay her $25/hpour.. nt much, i would pay her mo9re but shes not very smart. and never cleans the righ side of the sink either
but her huisband fixed the wondow. he brouhg t aladder.
i don't care for women trombone paleyers either.. their right arsn are usua;;y too short..
but the greatest violinist i have ever heard is a wpoman so.. i don't know... she has a very shnort pimnkey on her left hand do those nose pivker harmonics on the e string are doifficult for he.. but she does it.. plus,, she makes a hell of a lot more money that i aver did., plus business class fights asnd the best hotels.. i think...
she bought me dinner once in portugal.. i owe heer one...
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... minimizing everyone else's boogyman except the boogyman of the privileged
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)Hillary strongly supported?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It goes along with his supporters views.
CBHagman
(16,987 posts)This is the first time I have really looked at the campaign 2016 staffing figures for both the GOP and the Democrats.
pandr32
(11,594 posts)Women, of course, cut across the socio-economic spectrum--their perspective is important and we all suffer without it. Time for some balance.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)a little under $1,000 more than men....
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)No wonder he's ended up with such a large gender gap. The men surrounding him don't know how to fix it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And if she gets paid you'll end up screaming nepotism.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and got booted out in the midst of a financial crisis.
No, I don't have much respect for her as an advisor.
http://vtdigger.org/2015/09/13/jane-sanders-overstated-donation-amounts-in-loan-application-for-burlington-college/
JANE SANDERS OVERSTATED DONATION AMOUNTS IN LOAN APPLICATION FOR BURLINGTON COLLEGE
Former Burlington College president Jane Sanders overstated donation amounts in a bank application for a $6.7 million loan that was used by the college to purchase a prime 33-acre property on Lake Champlain in 2010.
Sanders told Peoples United Bank that the college had $2.6 million in pledged donations to support the purchase of the former Roman Catholic Diocese of Burlington property on North Avenue. The college, however, received only $676,000 in actual donations from 2010 through 2014, according to figures provided by Burlington College.
Thats far less than the $5 million Sanders listed as likely pledges in the loan agreement, and less than a third of the $2.14 million Sanders had promised Peoples Bank the college would collect in cash during the four-year period.
Two people whose pledges are listed as confirmed in the loan agreement told VTDigger that their personal financial records show their pledges were overstated. Neither were aware that the pledges were used to secure the loan.
Burlington College also cited a $1 million bequest as a pledged donation that would be paid out over six years, even though the money would only be available after the donors death.
SNIP
Autumn
(45,114 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Well, this set of optics does stink. I won't hold it against Sanders but...the optics!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]
insta8er
(960 posts)some other excuse as to why you want to vote for the most morally corrupt candidate in this primary.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)It's funny that ALL of the other campaigns, including all the Republican ones, were able to find at least one woman with the qualifications to be among the top staffers.
Your sexism is showing.
insta8er
(960 posts)people like you seem to think that it is the only qualifying trade in a person. Maybe he just happen to know qualifying people that were not female. Btw your ignorance is showing!
Let me give you your other talking points while we are at it
We had sexism
You can now move on to racism. after that you can say something about my age..and maybe triangulate it by mixing it up. Meanwhile you make yourself look like a total jack...
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)We should frame them and put them on a wall!
insta8er
(960 posts)There are not enough women on Bernie's team. That her favorite candidate is a borderline criminal with very bad moral ethics and seems to be interested in only furthering her and her families agenda (read bankaccount) does not matter....At least this uninformed woman can say if her candidate gets elected .. ..ohhhhh... Madam President....drool. While your gender might have a victory the country loses..including you!
840high
(17,196 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)How come?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And the rest are trusted Dems, too. So you're just blowing smoke.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Palmieri
Jennifer Palmieri is Director of Communications for the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.
She previously served as White House Communications Director for U.S. President Barack Obama. Prior to her service at the White House, she served as the President of the Center for American Progress Action Fund.
Earlier, Palmieri was the National Press Secretary for the 2004 John Edwards presidential campaign and the National Press Secretary for the Democratic National Committee in 2002. Palmieri also served as a White House Deputy Press Secretary, Special Assistant to White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta and Deputy Director of Scheduling and Advance in the Clinton White House.
After graduating from American University, Palmieri began her career working for former Congressman Leon Panetta (D-CA).[
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)They would become uber double plus Progressive?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)That includes women.