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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:50 AM May 2016

Four of Hillary's 10 highest paid staffers are women. ZERO of Bernie's top 10 staffers are women.

How come?

Did he not seek out women to fill the jobs or were they not interested in working for him?

http://theslot.jezebel.com/an-investigation-which-presidential-campaigns-have-the-1762895557

ON EDIT:

By contrast with Bernie, ALL the the REPUB candidates had at least one woman among their top staffers:

Kasich: 1 woman
Trump:3 women
Cruz: 3 women
Rubio: 6 women .

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Four of Hillary's 10 highest paid staffers are women. ZERO of Bernie's top 10 staffers are women. (Original Post) pnwmom May 2016 OP
Why wasn't Hillary paying her interns and Bernie was? pinebox May 2016 #1
No intern was forced to work for Hillary; they were volunteer positions. pnwmom May 2016 #2
And meanwhile Bernie paid his. pinebox May 2016 #4
Nice. But he had no women advising him among his top staffers pnwmom May 2016 #6
It "showed"? pinebox May 2016 #9
There is a huge gender gap overall, with every group except millennials. Maybe if pnwmom May 2016 #13
Sanders does fine with women pinebox May 2016 #52
As a man, your sexist opinion is that women are "voting for Hillary only because she is a woman." pnwmom May 2016 #68
My sexist opinion? pinebox May 2016 #69
Of course it's sexist. Women who support Hillary, just like men who support her, have many reasons pnwmom May 2016 #70
Well if you are going to be stupid enough to post a bunch of sexist shit and then claim that JTFrog May 2016 #93
Even considering the three wives thing? scscholar May 2016 #76
Symone Sanders is a top advisor. HooptieWagon May 2016 #11
No, she isn't a top advisor. She's a 25 year old recent college graduate who was working pnwmom May 2016 #17
your ageism is showing. HooptieWagon May 2016 #19
He's using her as window-dressing if he's not paying her a salary commensurate with that #4. pnwmom May 2016 #20
So shes a token? SwampG8r May 2016 #64
The top ten salaried positions in the Sanders campaign are MEN. MADem May 2016 #71
Once again bringing facts that will be ignored. n/t JTFrog May 2016 #95
You know that is definitely bullshit. dinkytron May 2016 #24
1. He has no women among his 10 highest paid advisors. pnwmom May 2016 #25
It showed when he said he would not compromise on a woman's right to chose. Ash_F May 2016 #29
It showed when he dismissed abortion as a "distraction." pnwmom May 2016 #30
He never said that Ash_F May 2016 #31
Yes he did. pnwmom May 2016 #33
No, he never said that the issue of abortion was a distraction. thesquanderer May 2016 #74
I'd call his press secretary a top staffer eridani May 2016 #37
She isn't among the top paid staffers, the subject of the OP. She's not even close, pnwmom May 2016 #39
I prefer policy that is good for women eridani May 2016 #40
We don't know that $15 is good for people in all cities and states.The research is still out on that pnwmom May 2016 #41
LOL. omg. you really just said that. negates this whole thread. Hiraeth May 2016 #55
The progressive economists whose research has been used to support the $15 wage pnwmom May 2016 #84
I guess a minimum wage of $21/hr (sonstant dollars) jsut destroyed the economy of 1973 eridani May 2016 #98
Her name is Jane Armstead May 2016 #57
Jane, the brilliant head of Burlington college whose fantasies led them into getting pnwmom May 2016 #83
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #81
What are they interning for? JaneyVee May 2016 #18
Yep catnhatnh May 2016 #53
I couldn't possibly care LESS how many of the "staffer class" have jobs. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #3
Not having any women advising him could affect the value of the advice he receives. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #5
First comment from you I might agree with. Using trusted friends/advisors. Issues please. snowy owl May 2016 #32
This woman talks about the problem. pnwmom May 2016 #35
And she loves Hillary for what? Fracking? Private prisons? Trashing Libya? eridani May 2016 #38
Hardy har har. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #42
"We came, we saw, he died" Hardy har har. ISIS is now solidly established in Libya eridani May 2016 #43
Golly, just like Princess Weathervane's nervous laughter when she gets caught out. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #45
"voting correctly and actually taking an active role in these issues are 2 very different things." bettyellen May 2016 #7
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #8
Symone Sanders isnt a woman? Epic fail. HooptieWagon May 2016 #10
Who says her pay would put her among the top ten staffers? That's what the OP's about. pnwmom May 2016 #14
+1 Jane Sanders (no relation to Symone) also seems to have an influential position, too--and I don't merrily May 2016 #21
It's just another of their lame smears from David Brock. HooptieWagon May 2016 #22
Yea!! How come. I want to kmow pangaia May 2016 #12
Brock, is that you? merrily May 2016 #23
LOL No its just me havin' a little fun. pangaia May 2016 #47
Does this surprise anyone? nolawarlock May 2016 #15
I'm SURE he sought out the best qualified, and it was just a coinkydink that no women were the best. Hekate May 2016 #16
Hillary hires women and pays them 38 percent less than men? nt grasswire May 2016 #26
"Hillary's campaign is also fairly equitable, with male and female staffers making essentially pnwmom May 2016 #27
Sorry, but that's one of those barnyard byproducts. Hekate May 2016 #28
Agreed. A distraction only. No real issues? Then distractions. snowy owl May 2016 #60
That fits the profile CountAllVotes May 2016 #36
Or 100% less, for interns. n/t Orsino May 2016 #65
I want a wuuumunnnn CountAllVotes May 2016 #34
Yay, identity politics! Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #44
He probably feels they aren't qualified. nt LexVegas May 2016 #46
Sanders is more of the generation of women sitting quietly while the men do the serious lifting, seabeyond May 2016 #48
Are you kidding? pinebox May 2016 #59
No, I am not kidding. You seem to have missed my point. He will speak for me, because well, daddy seabeyond May 2016 #61
Berniebros are just awful people, don't you think? frylock May 2016 #73
whats a femakle berniebro? did anybody ebver dsay? pangaia May 2016 #78
I think they are Bernicebros. frylock May 2016 #90
Oh, that is good. First time I heard that one. pangaia May 2016 #94
Yes. Most of the men in the anti-Vietnam movement were like that, pnwmom May 2016 #97
Results of Jury grossproffit May 2016 #62
One person tomato is another's tomauto, right? Lol. Thanks. seabeyond May 2016 #63
Youb are absolutely right. pangaia May 2016 #77
+1, goes along with the racial issues and Sanders "But that's not important". He is constant at... uponit7771 May 2016 #86
How many women died in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Honduras thanks to policies Karmadillo May 2016 #49
Not surprised workinclasszero May 2016 #50
I hope people will read the details at the link and not just respond to one or two aspects. CBHagman May 2016 #51
It is past time women were in senior positions everywhere pandr32 May 2016 #54
Haha fail whatchamacallit May 2016 #56
Forgot something...."Bernie Sanders’ campaign pays women on average... Armstead May 2016 #58
He doesn't respect women enough to have them among his top paid advisors. pnwmom May 2016 #67
I guess you don't respect his wife. She's his main advisor Armstead May 2016 #72
LOLOL. The woman who ran Burlington College into the ground, pnwmom May 2016 #75
OMG what a deal breaker Autumn May 2016 #66
How often have we heard Clinton Haters claim that optics are soooo important this election? randome May 2016 #79
It is about who's most qualified for the position, not the gender. You ladies really got to find insta8er May 2016 #80
LOLOL. So you're saying that there were NO women qualified enough for even ONE of those positions. pnwmom May 2016 #82
Yeah and your talking points are showing too, maybe he didn't go on a hunt for a women because insta8er May 2016 #85
Wow. These comments on a Dem website are priceless. pnwmom May 2016 #87
We should start with yours, we can relegate them under "woman throws tantrum" because insta8er May 2016 #88
Amen +10 840high May 2016 #89
All of her staffers are right wingers. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #91
Jennifer Palmieri, Hillary's top staffer, has only worked for progressives, including Pres. Obama. pnwmom May 2016 #92
So if a candidate had Schlafly, Thatchers ghost, Palin and bachmann as advisers? JPnoodleman May 2016 #96
I trust Bernie 1000 times more than Hillary to look out for all of our rights. Live and Learn May 2016 #99

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
2. No intern was forced to work for Hillary; they were volunteer positions.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:54 AM
May 2016

I've done plenty of volunteer work for campaigns and didn't whine that I wasn't getting paid. It's a way to contribute when you can't write a check.

From your link:


As Osorio admits, "unpaid work is common in campaigns."
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
4. And meanwhile Bernie paid his.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:58 AM
May 2016

Isn't it ironic that the guy Hillary supporters label as "the socialist" actually paid his interns while people under Hillary were expected to work for free?

Rent isn't free.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
9. It "showed"?
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:06 AM
May 2016

Funny, who is the largest voting block again and of that voting block a large % are women.
Millennials.

Now as far as top staffers go, I'm 50/50 with you. I could write it out but honestly I'm sick as shit and people would accuse me of some bullshit and get what it is I am trying to say confused. Yes women make less than men, however pay is also based upon merit. Should Bernie have had a lead staffer that was female? Maybe. Maybe not.

However let's not discount that many in the Bernie campaign are female http://www.p2016.org/sanders/sandersorg.html

Maybe that explains it, maybe that doesn't, I don't know. I'm going to bed.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
13. There is a huge gender gap overall, with every group except millennials. Maybe if
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:31 AM
May 2016

Bernie had had some women among his top advisors he'd have done better among them.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
52. Sanders does fine with women
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

The problem is I believe that many are voting for Hillary only because she is a woman.
On the issues, Bernie is better for women. From paid maternity leave to abortion.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
68. As a man, your sexist opinion is that women are "voting for Hillary only because she is a woman."
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:38 PM
May 2016

See, that's his problem in a nutshell. He's probably surrounded by men who think like you.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
69. My sexist opinion?
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

Uh.....sure. You go with that. What a load of crap. Typical battlecry from Hillary's supporters...everything is sexist.
Sorry I'm not into playing stupid games to win stupid prizes.

Welcome to my ignore list.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
70. Of course it's sexist. Women who support Hillary, just like men who support her, have many reasons
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:49 PM
May 2016

to do so. She's the most qualified person running.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
93. Well if you are going to be stupid enough to post a bunch of sexist shit and then claim that
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

Hillary's supporters think everything is sexist.... you can't say that you aren't into playing stupid games. It's all you've done this primary.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
11. Symone Sanders is a top advisor.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:15 AM
May 2016

Looks like you're wearing your smear attempt. Epic fail once again!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
17. No, she isn't a top advisor. She's a 25 year old recent college graduate who was working
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:46 AM
May 2016

for Nader as a "communications officer" before she moved to Bernie.

That's not the kind of resume that would make her one of the top 10 highest-paid staffers, earning $79K a year or more.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
19. your ageism is showing.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:54 AM
May 2016

She's listed as #4 on his staff. She's smart, saavy, and a valuable asset to the team.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. He's using her as window-dressing if he's not paying her a salary commensurate with that #4.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:56 AM
May 2016

And he isn't. He's paying her $4879 per month (as of March 2016). Here is the FEC link:

http://linkis.com/docquery.fec.gov/pre/WYP0N


And here are his top staffers by salary.

One of them, Michael Briggs, is the "Communications Director." As Press Secretary, she probably reports to him.


Of Sanders’s highest-paid employees, 10 are male and zero are female:

Rich Pelletier, Field Director, $120,897.68
Jeffrey Weaver, Campaign Manager, $118,745.92
Michael Briggs, Communications Director, $102,640.68
Richard Eskow, Writer and Editor, $87,757.60
Jose Miranda, Arizona Director, $85,094.40
Arturo Carmona, Latino Outreach Director, $84,911.68
Marcus Ferrell, African American Outreach Director and SE Political Director, $82,895.20
Warren Gunnels, Senior Policy Advisor, $82,068.28
Jacob Limon, Texas State Director, $81,304.68
Marc Levitt, Director of Scheduling and Advance, $79,056.08


From the link at the OP.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
64. So shes a token?
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:30 AM
May 2016

Your sexism and racial bias show when you diminish her accomplishments
When sanders folks do what you just did to a woman of color you fly into a rage but there it is right there along with ageism
Smdh

MADem

(135,425 posts)
71. The top ten salaried positions in the Sanders campaign are MEN.
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

So she's not paid like a Number 4. She's paid like a rank-n-filer, not an executive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-report-shows-bernie-sanders-highest-paid-staffers-are-all-dudes_us_56e993b8e4b0b25c91841ee0

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/03/bernie-sanders-wage-gap.html


She'd have done well to demand a better payday, but it's too late now--she'll probably get her "pink slip" sooner rather than later.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. 1. He has no women among his 10 highest paid advisors.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:18 AM
May 2016

2. He's at the wrong end of a large gender gap.

It's logical to see a connection. If he listened to more women, he might be doing better with them.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
29. It showed when he said he would not compromise on a woman's right to chose.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:38 AM
May 2016

And Clinton said she would.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
30. It showed when he dismissed abortion as a "distraction."
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:38 AM
May 2016
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274888-sanders-clinton-took-my-abortion-remarks-out-of-context

Sanders was reacting to a comment from Clinton responding to his own criticism of Donald Trump.
Trump, the GOP presidential front-runner, sparked outrage on Wednesday by suggesting that women would deserve punishment for getting an abortion if the procedure were illegal. Sanders quickly blasted Trump’s remarks as “shameful,” adding that they distracted from “a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America."

If he had had more women among his top advisors, he might have known better than to say that abortion was a distraction from the "serious issues."

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
33. Yes he did.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:45 AM
May 2016
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274888-sanders-clinton-took-my-abortion-remarks-out-of-context

Sanders was reacting to a comment from Clinton responding to his own criticism of Donald Trump.
Trump, the GOP presidential front-runner, sparked outrage on Wednesday by suggesting that women would deserve punishment for getting an abortion if the procedure were illegal. Sanders quickly blasted Trump’s remarks as “shameful,” adding that they distracted from “a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America."




And he and Hillary have the same position on abortion: they fully support Roe V. Wade. And neither would support killing a healthy 39 week fetus of a healthy mother, so there are some constitutional restrictions on abortion that they could both accept.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
74. No, he never said that the issue of abortion was a distraction.
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016

You have not provided a quote of him saying that... you have provided other people's spin on what he said, but you can't find an actual quote where he said that, because he didn't.

Your quote from him is “a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America." Here's where he said it:

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-full-transcript-rachel-maddow-interview-442491

Search for the string and see what he was talking about. It wasn't abortion. He was referring to Trumps's off-the-wall comments--or as he put it, "any stupid, absurd remark made by Donald Trump"--and how that suddenly captures the news cycle. His own comments about abortion are in that interview as well, along with the fact that he thought Trump's remarks were shameful. But he was trying to battle the media's Trump obsession. Clinton twisted it into something else.

This is what has really bugged me about Clinton, who I liked more earlier in the process... the way she twists things to put forth things that are clearly untrue. Sanders has been on the right side of women's issues forever. Nobody who follows these things seriously believes that he doesn't think a woman's right to choose is a serious issue. Nobody--not even Hillary, I'm sure--doubts him on this. It's the same as the auto bailout thing. Taking something out of context to put forth a "Sanders position" that he doesn't actually have, and that she knows damn well that he doesn't have. And this is part of why people don't see her as honest and trustworthy.

Of course, Hillary's twist was tossed back at Bernie, who of course explained that Hillary got the context wrong:

"Senator Sanders agreed that Donald Trump's comments [on abortion] were shameful. But then he said they were a distraction from...'a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America.' To me, this is a serious issue," Clinton said at State University of New York at Purchase.

Sanders pointed to his 100 percent pro-choice voting record and then explained, "What she was doing is taking me out of context. If you were going to ask me about another dumb, absurd, stupid remark made by Donald Trump, I cannot spend my entire life responding to every moronic statement made by Donald Trump."

On Wednesday, Sanders had opined that "to punish a woman for having an abortion is beyond comprehension." He didn't directly call Trump's remarks an outright "distraction" but suggested that the media amplifies "every stupid remark" without covering his overall positions.

"Any stupid, absurd remark made by Donald Trump becomes the story of the week," Sanders had said Wednesday. "Maybe, just maybe, we might want to have a serious discussion about the serious issues facing America."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sanders-explains-his-response-to-trump-remarks-on-abortion/

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
39. She isn't among the top paid staffers, the subject of the OP. She's not even close,
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:19 AM
May 2016

at less than $5K a month . Which is not a bad salary for a 25 year old college graduate, but doesn't make her one of the top staffers of Bernie's campaign.

As the "Press Secretary" she's under Michael Briggs, the Communications Director -- who makes more than $102K. He is #3.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
40. I prefer policy that is good for women
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:21 AM
May 2016

Like a $15/hr minimum wage. Hillary could give a shit about the majority of minimum wage workers that are women.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
41. We don't know that $15 is good for people in all cities and states.The research is still out on that
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:25 AM
May 2016

Are you aware that there is ongoing research in Seattle to determine the effects of the wage increases we've had so far? They're checking to see if there have been any effects on employment levels. Hopefully there won't be, or the effects will only be positive. But they don't know yet.

And asking a place like Omak to institute a $15 hour minimum is a whole different story.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
55. LOL. omg. you really just said that. negates this whole thread.
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:49 AM
May 2016

actually had me going for a minute.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
84. The progressive economists whose research has been used to support the $15 wage
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

have said that their research only supports raising it to $12. Going above that, the consequences are unknown, and there is a real risk of lowering employment levels if the minimum is raised too high.

In the meantime, researchers at UW are studying the effects. So far, the results are looking positive, but the study is still ongoing. And the results would apply to a large city like Seattle, not a small town like Omak.

http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/editorials/minimum-wage-law-this-is-not-play-money/

The UW research team, under contract with Seattle and led by professor Jacob Vigdor, is tracking 500-plus businesses and 50-plus low-wage employees for the coming years.

At first blush, there are some encouraging data in year one. Employers reported raising wages above the mandated $11, suggesting a trickle up. Two out of five employers said the higher wage would increase worker morale and lead to more job applicants.

But this is not free money. The UW research shows the march to $15 prompted 11 percent of businesses to consider or plan a move out of Seattle.

And that’s before bigger wage jumps coming in the near future: Employers with more than 500 workers had to pay $13 an hour as of last January and must pay $15 an hour by next January. Smaller employers phase in slowly to $15 by 2019. Benefits packages can be counted toward some of the wage.

Many impacts are unknown. In fact, workers reported that the real impact of the 2015 jump from $9.47 an hour — the statewide minimum wage then — to $11 was only about $1, because the Seattle market already paid more than the state minimum.

SNIP

eridani

(51,907 posts)
98. I guess a minimum wage of $21/hr (sonstant dollars) jsut destroyed the economy of 1973
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:06 AM
May 2016

If wages tracked increased productivity, it would be even higher.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
83. Jane, the brilliant head of Burlington college whose fantasies led them into getting
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:21 PM
May 2016

millions of dollars into debt, and led to her ouster in 2011.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
3. I couldn't possibly care LESS how many of the "staffer class" have jobs.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:57 AM
May 2016

Of any and all minority or majority descriptions including those yet unknown from outer space.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
32. First comment from you I might agree with. Using trusted friends/advisors. Issues please.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:45 AM
May 2016

One difference between young and older I think. I can see that some of his rhetoric might have been better with a woman/women in the mix. But his substance is still driving the campaign and worrying about who is giving him help seems a little short-sighted to me. It is after all about issues - isn't it?

Aren't you making this about personality?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
35. This woman talks about the problem.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:51 AM
May 2016

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-bernie-didnt-get-my-vote/

In a long campaign, everyone says unfortunate things. But these and other remarks suggest that when it comes to gender, he just doesn’t feel the burn. The problem is less that Bernie focuses on class and economic inequality than that he doesn’t seem to understand that the economy, like society generally, is structured by gender and race. Equal pay is great, but if women and men are funneled into different kinds of work by race and gender, with men’s jobs valued more because men are valued more, and if women are hobbled economically by doing most of the domestic labor and having to contend with prejudice against working mothers to boot, equal pay alone doesn’t solve the problem. It would have been great if Bernie had given a major speech about his plans to make women’s lives better—safer, fairer, less dominated by men. Instead, he gives every sign of believing that his basic program—a $15 minimum wage, free public college, breaking up the big banks, single-payer health insurance—is quite enough. Those are all great and important goals—in fact, the $15 minimum wage will benefit more women than men. But they do not speak directly to the rage and fed-upness that so many women, in every class, justly feel. Bernie showed a similar blindness to the specific harms of racism, but, thanks largely to Black Lives Matter, has moved a little further toward integrating race into his analysis.


At 74, you are who you are. Bernie is a traditional class-based leftist for whom feminism is a distraction. Abortion, as he told Rolling Stone, is a “social issue.” Women’s mental and physical health, their economic survival, their ability to determine the shape of their own lives as men do, is a social issue? The clear implication is that reproductive rights (like guns and LGBT rights, which he mentions in the same breath) are secondary considerations, impediments to winning broad support for his populist economic proposals. I can go to the comment sections of AlterNet—or The Nation—and get that view any day from the bros, but I really thought we’d be further along with a white man who wants to lead a movement in a party that is majority female and over a third people of color. (And that’s just registered members—in 2012, 46 percent of people who voted Democratic were people of color.)








eridani

(51,907 posts)
38. And she loves Hillary for what? Fracking? Private prisons? Trashing Libya?
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:16 AM
May 2016

Supporting the Honduras coupsters who murder native environmentalists?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
43. "We came, we saw, he died" Hardy har har. ISIS is now solidly established in Libya
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:28 AM
May 2016

All the black Africans running for their lives from there think it's hilarious too.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
7. "voting correctly and actually taking an active role in these issues are 2 very different things."
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:02 AM
May 2016

from the comments- and so true.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
10. Symone Sanders isnt a woman? Epic fail.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:13 AM
May 2016

Bernie pays his women staffers equal to the men, and also pays the interns. Clinton does neither.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
14. Who says her pay would put her among the top ten staffers? That's what the OP's about.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:32 AM
May 2016

She is only 25 years old so she's probably not getting $79K or more. That would be quite a salary for a recent college graduate.

http://www.essence.com/2015/08/12/6-things-bernie-sanders-press-secretary-symone-sanders

Her Last Job Was with Ralph Nader

Before joining Bernie Sanders' campaign, Symone was working as a communications officer with Ralph Nader's Public Citizen, an organization that makes sure all American citizens are represented in the government.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. +1 Jane Sanders (no relation to Symone) also seems to have an influential position, too--and I don't
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:57 AM
May 2016

mean only as his wife.

I guess if you define "staffers" any way that suits you, you can say any shit about anyone. I remember when this kind of comment was made over and over about Obama, too.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
22. It's just another of their lame smears from David Brock.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:06 AM
May 2016

If the Hillarians want to hitch themselves to "a little bit nutty, and a little bit slutty" it only reflects poorly on them and their candidate.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
47. LOL No its just me havin' a little fun.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:24 AM
May 2016

I mean...it is hardly worth exchanging air molecules to resist...

Hekate

(90,727 posts)
16. I'm SURE he sought out the best qualified, and it was just a coinkydink that no women were the best.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:33 AM
May 2016

I learned that from the heated arguments here at DU over Barack Obama's first opportunity to choose a Supreme Court Justice. There's a certain train to thought that insists that you have to seek out the best of the best of the best for that job, and that to seek a woman or minority specifically means ipso facto they probably are only highly qualified and not the best of the best of the best.

It kind of gave me brain-cramp, but then I realized it was because I have a lady-brain and they were mansplaining the situation to me.

These things are always a mystery to me, but I try to keep up. I'm sure that Bernie would have hired some women if they were as super-qualified as the men who got hired.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
27. "Hillary's campaign is also fairly equitable, with male and female staffers making essentially
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:29 AM
May 2016

the same amount of money."

Per the Jezebel article in the OP.

Hekate

(90,727 posts)
28. Sorry, but that's one of those barnyard byproducts.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:31 AM
May 2016

Keep spreading it around, though, and we'll have flowers next Spring.

JURY: I am not using rude words. Poster claims HRC pays female staffers 38% less than men.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
34. I want a wuuumunnnn
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:47 AM
May 2016

Heard these words a bit to much lately as any wuumuunnn will do!

Very narrow thinking IMO.

Why to we need a "wuummmannnn" exactly?

I want a leader, that is what I want, one that doesn't generate non-stop wars without end!

Sanders 2016!!



 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
48. Sanders is more of the generation of women sitting quietly while the men do the serious lifting,
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:25 AM
May 2016

speaking for them.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
59. Are you kidding?
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

Who wants women to have universal health care? Who isn't putting restrictions on abortion? Who wants paid maternity leave?
Sorry but your comments are both disgusting and inaccurate.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
61. No, I am not kidding. You seem to have missed my point. He will speak for me, because well, daddy
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

knows best. But, I feel, he does not respect women speaking for themselves. I am allowed to feel that, as blacks feel that Sanders doesn't respect their voice a hell of a lot.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
78. whats a femakle berniebro? did anybody ebver dsay?
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016


(ps i'm done with worrying about typos.. for now anyway...)




pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
97. Yes. Most of the men in the anti-Vietnam movement were like that,
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

expecting women to make their coffee but not much else.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
62. Results of Jury
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

Sanders is more of the generation of women sitting quietly while the men do the serious lifting,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1910695

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a disgusting comment. Ageism defined and accusing Bernie's generation of enabling women to sit quietly? Over the top and downright demeaning to people who are older.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 6, 2016, 10:17 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Grasping at straws. This whole thread is nonsense.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter needs to get a grip.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Just one person's opinion... And, given HRC is of the identical generation and only six years younger, I don't think one can make a sincere "Ageism" argument. That said, I'm still tired of the nastiness and don't agree with the comment whatsoever, but I just don't find it hide-worthy.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
77. Youb are absolutely right.
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

And so am i I am 72.
i hjad a woman co,me c;leam my townhuse. today she comes every few weeks.. i pay her $25/hpour.. nt much, i would pay her mo9re but shes not very smart. and never cleans the righ side of the sink either

but her huisband fixed the wondow. he brouhg t aladder.

i don't care for women trombone paleyers either.. their right arsn are usua;;y too short..

but the greatest violinist i have ever heard is a wpoman so.. i don't know... she has a very shnort pimnkey on her left hand do those nose pivker harmonics on the e string are doifficult for he.. but she does it.. plus,, she makes a hell of a lot more money that i aver did., plus business class fights asnd the best hotels.. i think...

she bought me dinner once in portugal.. i owe heer one...

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
86. +1, goes along with the racial issues and Sanders "But that's not important". He is constant at...
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

... minimizing everyone else's boogyman except the boogyman of the privileged

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
49. How many women died in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Honduras thanks to policies
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:27 AM
May 2016

Hillary strongly supported?

CBHagman

(16,987 posts)
51. I hope people will read the details at the link and not just respond to one or two aspects.
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

This is the first time I have really looked at the campaign 2016 staffing figures for both the GOP and the Democrats.

pandr32

(11,594 posts)
54. It is past time women were in senior positions everywhere
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:21 AM
May 2016

Women, of course, cut across the socio-economic spectrum--their perspective is important and we all suffer without it. Time for some balance.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
58. Forgot something...."Bernie Sanders’ campaign pays women on average...
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

a little under $1,000 more than men....

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
67. He doesn't respect women enough to have them among his top paid advisors.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

No wonder he's ended up with such a large gender gap. The men surrounding him don't know how to fix it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
72. I guess you don't respect his wife. She's his main advisor
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

And if she gets paid you'll end up screaming nepotism.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
75. LOLOL. The woman who ran Burlington College into the ground,
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016

and got booted out in the midst of a financial crisis.

No, I don't have much respect for her as an advisor.


http://vtdigger.org/2015/09/13/jane-sanders-overstated-donation-amounts-in-loan-application-for-burlington-college/

JANE SANDERS OVERSTATED DONATION AMOUNTS IN LOAN APPLICATION FOR BURLINGTON COLLEGE

Former Burlington College president Jane Sanders overstated donation amounts in a bank application for a $6.7 million loan that was used by the college to purchase a prime 33-acre property on Lake Champlain in 2010.

Sanders told People’s United Bank that the college had $2.6 million in pledged donations to support the purchase of the former Roman Catholic Diocese of Burlington property on North Avenue. The college, however, received only $676,000 in actual donations from 2010 through 2014, according to figures provided by Burlington College.

That’s far less than the $5 million Sanders listed as likely pledges in the loan agreement, and less than a third of the $2.14 million Sanders had promised People’s Bank the college would collect in cash during the four-year period.

Two people whose pledges are listed as confirmed in the loan agreement told VTDigger that their personal financial records show their pledges were overstated. Neither were aware that the pledges were used to secure the loan.

Burlington College also cited a $1 million bequest as a pledged donation that would be paid out over six years, even though the money would only be available after the donor’s death.

SNIP

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
79. How often have we heard Clinton Haters claim that optics are soooo important this election?
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

Well, this set of optics does stink. I won't hold it against Sanders but...the optics!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
80. It is about who's most qualified for the position, not the gender. You ladies really got to find
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

some other excuse as to why you want to vote for the most morally corrupt candidate in this primary.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
82. LOLOL. So you're saying that there were NO women qualified enough for even ONE of those positions.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:20 PM
May 2016

It's funny that ALL of the other campaigns, including all the Republican ones, were able to find at least one woman with the qualifications to be among the top staffers.

Your sexism is showing.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
85. Yeah and your talking points are showing too, maybe he didn't go on a hunt for a women because
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

people like you seem to think that it is the only qualifying trade in a person. Maybe he just happen to know qualifying people that were not female. Btw your ignorance is showing!

Let me give you your other talking points while we are at it
We had sexism
You can now move on to racism. after that you can say something about my age..and maybe triangulate it by mixing it up. Meanwhile you make yourself look like a total jack...

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
87. Wow. These comments on a Dem website are priceless.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

We should frame them and put them on a wall!

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
88. We should start with yours, we can relegate them under "woman throws tantrum" because
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

There are not enough women on Bernie's team. That her favorite candidate is a borderline criminal with very bad moral ethics and seems to be interested in only furthering her and her families agenda (read bankaccount) does not matter....At least this uninformed woman can say if her candidate gets elected .. ..ohhhhh... Madam President....drool. While your gender might have a victory the country loses..including you!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
92. Jennifer Palmieri, Hillary's top staffer, has only worked for progressives, including Pres. Obama.
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:54 PM
May 2016

And the rest are trusted Dems, too. So you're just blowing smoke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Palmieri

Jennifer Palmieri is Director of Communications for the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.

She previously served as White House Communications Director for U.S. President Barack Obama. Prior to her service at the White House, she served as the President of the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

Earlier, Palmieri was the National Press Secretary for the 2004 John Edwards presidential campaign and the National Press Secretary for the Democratic National Committee in 2002. Palmieri also served as a White House Deputy Press Secretary, Special Assistant to White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta and Deputy Director of Scheduling and Advance in the Clinton White House.

After graduating from American University, Palmieri began her career working for former Congressman Leon Panetta (D-CA).[

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
96. So if a candidate had Schlafly, Thatchers ghost, Palin and bachmann as advisers?
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

They would become uber double plus Progressive?

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