Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:52 AM May 2016

Lee Fang: Hillary is the only candidate to openly and directly coordinate with her SuperPAC.


Atlanta Mayor’s Column Ripping Sanders Drafted by Lobbyist, Emails Show
https://theintercept.com/2016/05/06/hillary-super-pac-draft-oped/

Correct the Record is the Super PAC founded by David Brock, a Republican-turned-Democratic strategist who controls a number of pro-Clinton campaign entities and websites.

In April, Correct the Record caused a stir when it announced plans to spend $1 million to build a “digital task force” to dedicated to “pushing out positive content to Hillary supporters online to counter negative attacks and false narratives.”

Super PACs were intended to be independent entities, explicitly prohibited from coordinating directly with campaigns. Correct the Record, however, has tested the limits of campaign finance law and openly coordinates with the Clinton campaign. The group claims they are not engaging in campaign speech known as “independent expenditures,” a classification for traditional campaign communications, and therefore are exempted from the coordination rules.

Experts on campaign finance have questioned the coordination. Campaign Legal Center’s Paul Ryan told Time reporter Michael Scherer that Correct the Record is “creating new ways to undermine campaign regulation” by skirting the coordination rules.
68 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Lee Fang: Hillary is the only candidate to openly and directly coordinate with her SuperPAC. (Original Post) kgnu_fan May 2016 OP
Lee Fang sounds like a villian from Hawaii Five-O Gomez163 May 2016 #1
My, how witty of you, Gomez! RufusTFirefly May 2016 #7
Like Wo Fat Gomez163 May 2016 #9
Worse: He's the left's version of Tucker Carlson. FSogol May 2016 #19
Lee Fang (pronounced Fong) has a long background in Democratic politics senz May 2016 #22
He's a libertarian blogger. Nothing more. n/t FSogol May 2016 #23
That is a bald-faced LIE. senz May 2016 #24
I'm not promoting a candidate. I'm ripping someone who works for Pierre Omidyar spreading FSogol May 2016 #26
Ouch, I am surprised you were able to continue after being shown to be wrong so forcefully. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #29
You have a high opinion of Lee Fang, I don't. I was able to articulate my position without insulting FSogol May 2016 #32
There is NOTHING "liberarian" about The Interept. senz May 2016 #44
Sort of like you have a high opinion of Hillary Clinton and we don't. I get it. floriduck May 2016 #55
Stop pretending to be for O'M or no candidate All in it together May 2016 #33
Does he hold a degree in journalism? No. FSogol May 2016 #36
Who knows, there might be a special place in hell senz May 2016 #45
LOL, I have over 30k posts here. Find ONE where I knock Senator Bernie Sanders. FSogol May 2016 #46
No, it counts as defending Hillary. senz May 2016 #48
You said I "ALWAYS knock Bernie". That's a lie, I have not once knocked him. FSogol May 2016 #49
I wouldn't even know HOW to look through your posts. senz May 2016 #53
Another lie? "But I have noticed what you say" FSogol May 2016 #54
Benjamin Franklin did not have a degree in journalism either. JDPriestly May 2016 #57
Hunter S. Thompson too ++ JonLeibowitz May 2016 #58
You could have disproved my opinion by stating, he's employed as a journalist. Also, FSogol May 2016 #59
FactCheck may define "secret, illegal contributions" differently than I would. JDPriestly May 2016 #60
Confirmation bias. FSogol May 2016 #63
What a racist thing to say. senz May 2016 #20
A jury disagreed. pintobean May 2016 #37
So someone alerted on it and the perp got a friendly jury? senz May 2016 #40
Perp? pintobean May 2016 #41
It was pointedly anti-Asian. senz May 2016 #47
Anyone w/o a Bernie avatar is a perp. They have lists of all the perps! FSogol May 2016 #56
They have lists of all the perps! AlbertCat May 2016 #67
There are so many racist comments on DU and some people are not even aware of it. kgnu_fan May 2016 #38
Sleazy pmorlan1 May 2016 #2
And this was after Debbie-gate, too. nt silvershadow May 2016 #3
Just what agency is supposed to oversee such questionable practices? snowy owl May 2016 #4
But at least Hillary will make sure that super pacs are stopped casperthegm May 2016 #5
Sure she will, until she runs for re-election , which will start day 1. bahrbearian May 2016 #8
It almost sounds like she has trust issues doesn't it? casperthegm May 2016 #12
" I made a Mistake" bahrbearian May 2016 #14
Just like she takes all that Wall Street money so that she can reign them in arcane1 May 2016 #16
fits with the other sleazy tactics amborin May 2016 #6
So much about her stinks of hypocrisy and sleaze cali May 2016 #10
Her fakeness is starting to show and recognized by people. Blinding sparkling dust are wearing out kgnu_fan May 2016 #17
David Brock isn't coordinating with the Clinton camp? CoffeeCat May 2016 #11
I used to think Republicans were the lowest in this country. senz May 2016 #43
senz—This is an astute observation. CobaltBlue May 2016 #68
Thank you CoffeeCat...I remember that well and it was disgusting here. nt haikugal May 2016 #61
Can you provide a source detailing the official complaint filed with the FEC over this? Tarc May 2016 #13
As long as she can finagle her crooked way around the law, it's fine with you. senz May 2016 #25
So that'd be a...no? Tarc May 2016 #31
I don't know. But I'm sure a few more investigations senz May 2016 #34
It sure as hell makes you wonder catnhatnh May 2016 #15
Is it even an endorsement at that point? TCJ70 May 2016 #28
they will of course say that so much as hinting at her weaknesses only "helps Trump" MisterP May 2016 #18
Self preservation motive of the party insiders actually is hurting the Party kgnu_fan May 2016 #35
Ironic isn't it? Octafish May 2016 #21
She truly believes that rules don't apply to her Doctor_J May 2016 #27
Such disregard for the law felix_numinous May 2016 #30
clinton is all about control oldandhappy May 2016 #39
Nope, the GOP has long coordinated and out sourced their work to super pacs..... bettyellen May 2016 #42
Really? #SheSoGOP. senz May 2016 #51
Bernie takes pac money and would take plenty more if he had a chance at being nominated. bettyellen May 2016 #52
But she's AGAINST Citizens United. This MUST be mistaken! Attorney in Texas May 2016 #50
is there anything she won't do to win? MariaThinks May 2016 #62
If you know the law, you don't need to know ethics HereSince1628 May 2016 #64
I think it's a safe bet that they ALL coordinate with their SuperPacs. NorthCarolina May 2016 #65
Interesting. n/t DirkGently May 2016 #66
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
22. Lee Fang (pronounced Fong) has a long background in Democratic politics
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:15 PM
May 2016

and is a respected investigative journalist.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
24. That is a bald-faced LIE.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

wikipedia

In college, Fang served as President of the Federation of Maryland College Democrats, editor of the Maryland College Democrat blog, and on the Campus Progress Advisory Board.[9] Fang interned with ThinkProgress and served as a researcher for Progressive Accountability.[10] As an undergraduate, Fang also interned for Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH), Congressman Steny Hoyer (D-MD), for progressive media watchdog group Media Matters for America, and for the lobbying firm Westin Rinehart.


And the Intercept is not a "blog."

https://theintercept.com/unofficial-sources/

You seem to think you can promote your candidate by lying. That's because the truth is her enemy.


FSogol

(45,493 posts)
26. I'm not promoting a candidate. I'm ripping someone who works for Pierre Omidyar spreading
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:47 PM
May 2016

propaganda.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
29. Ouch, I am surprised you were able to continue after being shown to be wrong so forcefully.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:56 PM
May 2016

He is not a libertarian blogger, nor is his history one of such.

FSogol

(45,493 posts)
32. You have a high opinion of Lee Fang, I don't. I was able to articulate my position without insulting
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:09 PM
May 2016

you or Senz. You guys couldn't. Lee Fang is a libertarian blogger employed by a libertarian company passing itself off as journalism. That's my opinion and all your agitation won't change it. Good luck continuing.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
44. There is NOTHING "liberarian" about The Interept.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:34 PM
May 2016

Quite the opposite.

I suspect you don't know what libertarians are. They are against the use of government to help citizens. They believe in private, unaccountable power -- you know -- corporate power, 1% power.

Now take a look at your candidate and take a look at mine.

FSogol

(45,493 posts)
36. Does he hold a degree in journalism? No.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:24 PM
May 2016

Here's what FactCheck thinks of his awesome journalistic abilities, from wiki:

An article posted on ThinkProgress on October 5, 2010, authored by Fang, attracted attention and some controversy. Fang wrote a story where he alleged that the United States Chamber of Commerce funded political attack campaigns from its general fund, which solicits funds from foreign sources. Fang stated that the Chamber is "likely skirting longstanding campaign finance law that bans the involvement of foreign corporations in American elections."[13]

The story was repeated by The Huffington Post and the progressive activist group MoveOn.org asked the DoJ to launch a criminal investigation of the Chamber's funding.[14]

The fact-checking website FactCheck.org analyzed the claim that "foreign corporations are 'stealing our democracy' with secret, illegal contributions funneled through the U.S. Chamber of Commerce," noting that ThinkProgress made the initial allegations.[15] FactCheck concluded that "It’s a claim with little basis in fact."[15] Others also questioned the claims made in the article. Eric Lichtblau of The New York Times wrote that the article "provided no evidence that the money generated overseas had been used in United States campaigns."




PS. Don't tell me what to do, it will only cause me to laugh at you. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee whether it is HRC or Sanders, you don't need to spend your time worrying about it.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
45. Who knows, there might be a special place in hell
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

for Hillary supporters who pretend to be backers of other candidates.

You ALWAYS knock Bernie and defend Hillary. Always. People notice, FSogol.

FSogol

(45,493 posts)
46. LOL, I have over 30k posts here. Find ONE where I knock Senator Bernie Sanders.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

BTW, Hating Lee Fang doesn't count as knocking Sanders.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
48. No, it counts as defending Hillary.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

Everyone knows where you stand; it just looks silly to deny it.

And don't make me think about a nice cold beer. Too early in the day.

FSogol

(45,493 posts)
49. You said I "ALWAYS knock Bernie". That's a lie, I have not once knocked him.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

C'mon, 30k posts, there must be something, right? Pathetic.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
53. I wouldn't even know HOW to look through your posts.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

And we both know life is too short for that.

But I have noticed what you say.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
57. Benjamin Franklin did not have a degree in journalism either.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:59 PM
May 2016

Neither did Randolph Hearst.

Following preparation at St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire, Hearst enrolled in the Harvard College class of 1885. While there he was a member of Delta Kappa Epsilon, the A.D. Club (a Harvard Final club), the Hasty Pudding Theatricals, and of the Harvard Lampoon before being expelled for antics ranging from sponsoring massive beer parties in Harvard Square to sending pudding pots used as chamber pots to his professors (their images were depicted within the bowls).[7]
. . . .

Searching for an occupation, in 1887 Hearst took over management of a newspaper, the San Francisco Examiner, which his father received in 1880 as repayment for a gambling debt.[8] Giving his paper a grand motto, "Monarch of the Dailies," he acquired the best equipment and the most talented writers of the time, including Ambrose Bierce, Mark Twain, Jack London, and political cartoonist Homer Davenport. A self-proclaimed populist, Hearst went on to publish stories of municipal and financial corruption, often attacking companies in which his own family held an interest. Within a few years, his paper dominated the San Francisco market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst

Now Sarah Palin had a degree in journalism I believe.

After graduating from high school in 1982, Palin enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Hilo.[25] Shortly after arriving in Hawaii, Palin transferred to Hawaii Pacific University in Honolulu for a semester in the fall of 1982 and then to North Idaho College, a community college in Coeur d'Alene, for the spring and fall semesters of 1983.[26] She enrolled at the University of Idaho in Moscow for an academic year starting in August 1984 and then attended Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska in the fall of 1985. Palin returned to the University of Idaho in January 1986 and received her bachelor's degree in communications with an emphasis in journalism in May 1987.[26][27][28][29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

A degree in journalism doesn't really mean much about the quality of the journalist.

Some people who never studied journalism at all are better at the trade than some who have degrees in it.

Glenn Greenwald is a good example.

FSogol

(45,493 posts)
59. You could have disproved my opinion by stating, he's employed as a journalist. Also,
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016
Some people who never studied journalism at all are better at the trade than some who have degrees in it.


Lee Fang isn't one of those people. Here's what FactCheck thinks of his awesome journalistic abilities, from wiki:

An article posted on ThinkProgress on October 5, 2010, authored by Fang, attracted attention and some controversy. Fang wrote a story where he alleged that the United States Chamber of Commerce funded political attack campaigns from its general fund, which solicits funds from foreign sources. Fang stated that the Chamber is "likely skirting longstanding campaign finance law that bans the involvement of foreign corporations in American elections."

The story was repeated by The Huffington Post and the progressive activist group MoveOn.org asked the DoJ to launch a criminal investigation of the Chamber's funding.

The fact-checking website FactCheck.org analyzed the claim that "foreign corporations are 'stealing our democracy' with secret, illegal contributions funneled through the U.S. Chamber of Commerce," noting that ThinkProgress made the initial allegations.FactCheck concluded that "It’s a claim with little basis in fact."Others also questioned the claims made in the article. Eric Lichtblau of The New York Times wrote that the article "provided no evidence that the money generated overseas had been used in United States campaigns."


Also Glen Greenwald is another one of those libertarians employed by libertarian Pierre Omidyar's libertarian newsrag, The Intercept.

Right back to my initial point, thanks!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
60. FactCheck may define "secret, illegal contributions" differently than I would.
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

I suspect that a lot of foreign money including corporate money is laundered and then invested in our election financing.

One thing I am pretty sure of is that Bernie Sanders gets little if any of that dirty money.

Definitions are important.

I suspect that I and many others would disagree with the definitions that FactCheck uses in some cases.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
47. It was pointedly anti-Asian.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

It even went so far as to ridicule an Asian for his last name. That's racist in my book.

And no, I didn't alert on it.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
4. Just what agency is supposed to oversee such questionable practices?
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:04 PM
May 2016

And why aren't they? It seems like in elections the corruption goes on and on and on. And rarely is it stopped before it influences elections. And never is it really publicized so that people know what shysters their candidates employ.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
5. But at least Hillary will make sure that super pacs are stopped
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

After she uses them to get elected. It will happen. I'm sure.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
12. It almost sounds like she has trust issues doesn't it?
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

I can't imagine why that would be. I mean, other than a track record that includes support of fracking, the war in Iraq, Wall Street, trade deals that send jobs overseas, regime change, no fly zones in Syria, opposing Glass Steagall, opposing healthcare for all, and opposing free college for all.

So yeah... other than that...why wouldn't we take her at her word regarding super pac/Citizens United?

kgnu_fan

(3,021 posts)
17. Her fakeness is starting to show and recognized by people. Blinding sparkling dust are wearing out
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
11. David Brock isn't coordinating with the Clinton camp?
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

The "Bernie is a racist!" attacks began even before the Iowa Caucuses took place. They had to bloody Bernie up with AA well before the SC primary.

In late January, Brock the snake declared, "Black lives don't matter much to Bernie Sanders." This was also during the time that Bernie was Swiftboatted and accused of lying about his civil-rights advocacy, "That's not you in the college photo, Bernie!! Give it up! That's Bruce Rappaport!!" Bernie was painted as a liar, a manipulator and as someone who would deceive the AA community about his civil-rights advocacy.

All lies. Coordinated, bullshit, Swiftboat-style attacks with four fake U of Chicago "classmates" who were lying their asses off.

Then came the endless meme from the Clinton camp--before Bernie stepped foot in NV or SC--that Bernie just couldn't do well in the states that weren't lily white. He couldn't appeal to minirities.

The rabid online push of this mantra was 24/7.

Yeah. For sure. Brock doesn't coordinate with the Clinton campaign. The rules don't apply to Miss Hilly.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
43. I used to think Republicans were the lowest in this country.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

Nixon's Watergate break-in, Reagan/Bush manipulation of the Iranian hostage crisis, Bush's election theft in 2000, were shocking and unthinkable, but the conduct of the Clinton campaign, especially their cynical manipulation of racial and gender politics, has put them in the gutter with the lowest of Republicans.

I could never forgive them for their attempted character assassination of Bernie Sanders.

And when it's all over, no matter who wins, I will not be able to interact with Hill supporters here on DU (if I'm allowed to stay here afterward.) They have told the most egregious lies about Bernie. They've shown us all what kind of people they are.

It's amazing how a political campaign can strip the mask off.

But Bernie supporters? About 99% wonderful.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
13. Can you provide a source detailing the official complaint filed with the FEC over this?
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

Is there one?

Absent that, talking heads doing their thing isn't terribly convincing.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
25. As long as she can finagle her crooked way around the law, it's fine with you.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

When the law finally comes down on her head -- what a day that will be.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
34. I don't know. But I'm sure a few more investigations
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:17 PM
May 2016

are entirely warranted by her recklessly self-serving, law-skirting, dishonest, untrustworthy behaviors.

You sure know how to pick 'em, don't you?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
18. they will of course say that so much as hinting at her weaknesses only "helps Trump"
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

when in fact ignoring the candidate that's to her left and does much better than her against Trump is the only thing that Helps TrumpTM

this faction of the party's always telegraphing, always externalizing, always preemptively accusing so the facts sound like the usual tit-for-tat defensiveness that makes politics a dirty word

they blamed Nader and backed Lieberman, they said "get involved in the primaries" and lost GE after GE in order to sabotage primary challengers, they said in 2006 that the left would begin its purity purge and then purged assloads of Reps, they lost 13 Senators and 69 Reps and now say that their plan was PERFECT, it was just that the canaille didn't go for it

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
52. Bernie takes pac money and would take plenty more if he had a chance at being nominated.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

he is spending money like a drunken sailor. funny that for someone with his principles.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
62. is there anything she won't do to win?
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016

look at Bernie. First he hates the superdelegates, now he wants them to vote for him. Despite the overwhelming delegate count, he would rather politely STAY in the race until everyone is divided in our party and hate each other.

that's what Hillary needs to do. Stop trying to win and be more like Bernie.


HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
64. If you know the law, you don't need to know ethics
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

Ethics don't need to be respected unless the law incorporates them.

That understanding has made middle class children both millionaires and retired politicians.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
65. I think it's a safe bet that they ALL coordinate with their SuperPacs.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

All of those candidates that rely on them anyway.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Lee Fang: Hillary is the ...