2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLee Fang: Hillary is the only candidate to openly and directly coordinate with her SuperPAC.
Atlanta Mayors Column Ripping Sanders Drafted by Lobbyist, Emails Show
https://theintercept.com/2016/05/06/hillary-super-pac-draft-oped/
In April, Correct the Record caused a stir when it announced plans to spend $1 million to build a digital task force to dedicated to pushing out positive content to Hillary supporters online to counter negative attacks and false narratives.
Super PACs were intended to be independent entities, explicitly prohibited from coordinating directly with campaigns. Correct the Record, however, has tested the limits of campaign finance law and openly coordinates with the Clinton campaign. The group claims they are not engaging in campaign speech known as independent expenditures, a classification for traditional campaign communications, and therefore are exempted from the coordination rules.
Experts on campaign finance have questioned the coordination. Campaign Legal Centers Paul Ryan told Time reporter Michael Scherer that Correct the Record is creating new ways to undermine campaign regulation by skirting the coordination rules.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Not!
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)FSogol
(45,493 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)and is a respected investigative journalist.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)wikipedia
And the Intercept is not a "blog."
https://theintercept.com/unofficial-sources/
You seem to think you can promote your candidate by lying. That's because the truth is her enemy.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)propaganda.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)He is not a libertarian blogger, nor is his history one of such.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)you or Senz. You guys couldn't. Lee Fang is a libertarian blogger employed by a libertarian company passing itself off as journalism. That's my opinion and all your agitation won't change it. Good luck continuing.
senz
(11,945 posts)Quite the opposite.
I suspect you don't know what libertarians are. They are against the use of government to help citizens. They believe in private, unaccountable power -- you know -- corporate power, 1% power.
Now take a look at your candidate and take a look at mine.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)All in it together
(275 posts)Lee Fang is an actual reporter.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)Here's what FactCheck thinks of his awesome journalistic abilities, from wiki:
The story was repeated by The Huffington Post and the progressive activist group MoveOn.org asked the DoJ to launch a criminal investigation of the Chamber's funding.[14]
The fact-checking website FactCheck.org analyzed the claim that "foreign corporations are 'stealing our democracy' with secret, illegal contributions funneled through the U.S. Chamber of Commerce," noting that ThinkProgress made the initial allegations.[15] FactCheck concluded that "Its a claim with little basis in fact."[15] Others also questioned the claims made in the article. Eric Lichtblau of The New York Times wrote that the article "provided no evidence that the money generated overseas had been used in United States campaigns."
PS. Don't tell me what to do, it will only cause me to laugh at you. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee whether it is HRC or Sanders, you don't need to spend your time worrying about it.
senz
(11,945 posts)for Hillary supporters who pretend to be backers of other candidates.
You ALWAYS knock Bernie and defend Hillary. Always. People notice, FSogol.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)BTW, Hating Lee Fang doesn't count as knocking Sanders.
senz
(11,945 posts)Everyone knows where you stand; it just looks silly to deny it.
And don't make me think about a nice cold beer. Too early in the day.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)C'mon, 30k posts, there must be something, right? Pathetic.
senz
(11,945 posts)And we both know life is too short for that.
But I have noticed what you say.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)Just admit you were wrong.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Neither did Randolph Hearst.
Following preparation at St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire, Hearst enrolled in the Harvard College class of 1885. While there he was a member of Delta Kappa Epsilon, the A.D. Club (a Harvard Final club), the Hasty Pudding Theatricals, and of the Harvard Lampoon before being expelled for antics ranging from sponsoring massive beer parties in Harvard Square to sending pudding pots used as chamber pots to his professors (their images were depicted within the bowls).[7]
. . . .
Searching for an occupation, in 1887 Hearst took over management of a newspaper, the San Francisco Examiner, which his father received in 1880 as repayment for a gambling debt.[8] Giving his paper a grand motto, "Monarch of the Dailies," he acquired the best equipment and the most talented writers of the time, including Ambrose Bierce, Mark Twain, Jack London, and political cartoonist Homer Davenport. A self-proclaimed populist, Hearst went on to publish stories of municipal and financial corruption, often attacking companies in which his own family held an interest. Within a few years, his paper dominated the San Francisco market.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst
Now Sarah Palin had a degree in journalism I believe.
After graduating from high school in 1982, Palin enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Hilo.[25] Shortly after arriving in Hawaii, Palin transferred to Hawaii Pacific University in Honolulu for a semester in the fall of 1982 and then to North Idaho College, a community college in Coeur d'Alene, for the spring and fall semesters of 1983.[26] She enrolled at the University of Idaho in Moscow for an academic year starting in August 1984 and then attended Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska in the fall of 1985. Palin returned to the University of Idaho in January 1986 and received her bachelor's degree in communications with an emphasis in journalism in May 1987.[26][27][28][29]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
A degree in journalism doesn't really mean much about the quality of the journalist.
Some people who never studied journalism at all are better at the trade than some who have degrees in it.
Glenn Greenwald is a good example.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Though, Hunter S. Thompson never even finished high school.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)Lee Fang isn't one of those people. Here's what FactCheck thinks of his awesome journalistic abilities, from wiki:
The story was repeated by The Huffington Post and the progressive activist group MoveOn.org asked the DoJ to launch a criminal investigation of the Chamber's funding.
The fact-checking website FactCheck.org analyzed the claim that "foreign corporations are 'stealing our democracy' with secret, illegal contributions funneled through the U.S. Chamber of Commerce," noting that ThinkProgress made the initial allegations.FactCheck concluded that "Its a claim with little basis in fact."Others also questioned the claims made in the article. Eric Lichtblau of The New York Times wrote that the article "provided no evidence that the money generated overseas had been used in United States campaigns."
Also Glen Greenwald is another one of those libertarians employed by libertarian Pierre Omidyar's libertarian newsrag, The Intercept.
Right back to my initial point, thanks!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I suspect that a lot of foreign money including corporate money is laundered and then invested in our election financing.
One thing I am pretty sure of is that Bernie Sanders gets little if any of that dirty money.
Definitions are important.
I suspect that I and many others would disagree with the definitions that FactCheck uses in some cases.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Not surprising; you're a Hillary supporter.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Happens.
I don't know that person. The comment wasn't racist.
senz
(11,945 posts)It even went so far as to ridicule an Asian for his last name. That's racist in my book.
And no, I didn't alert on it.
FSogol
(45,493 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I thought Hilary was the one with "the list".
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)This just makes me sick.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)And why aren't they? It seems like in elections the corruption goes on and on and on. And rarely is it stopped before it influences elections. And never is it really publicized so that people know what shysters their candidates employ.
casperthegm
(643 posts)After she uses them to get elected. It will happen. I'm sure.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)casperthegm
(643 posts)I can't imagine why that would be. I mean, other than a track record that includes support of fracking, the war in Iraq, Wall Street, trade deals that send jobs overseas, regime change, no fly zones in Syria, opposing Glass Steagall, opposing healthcare for all, and opposing free college for all.
So yeah... other than that...why wouldn't we take her at her word regarding super pac/Citizens United?
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The "Bernie is a racist!" attacks began even before the Iowa Caucuses took place. They had to bloody Bernie up with AA well before the SC primary.
In late January, Brock the snake declared, "Black lives don't matter much to Bernie Sanders." This was also during the time that Bernie was Swiftboatted and accused of lying about his civil-rights advocacy, "That's not you in the college photo, Bernie!! Give it up! That's Bruce Rappaport!!" Bernie was painted as a liar, a manipulator and as someone who would deceive the AA community about his civil-rights advocacy.
All lies. Coordinated, bullshit, Swiftboat-style attacks with four fake U of Chicago "classmates" who were lying their asses off.
Then came the endless meme from the Clinton camp--before Bernie stepped foot in NV or SC--that Bernie just couldn't do well in the states that weren't lily white. He couldn't appeal to minirities.
The rabid online push of this mantra was 24/7.
Yeah. For sure. Brock doesn't coordinate with the Clinton campaign. The rules don't apply to Miss Hilly.
senz
(11,945 posts)Nixon's Watergate break-in, Reagan/Bush manipulation of the Iranian hostage crisis, Bush's election theft in 2000, were shocking and unthinkable, but the conduct of the Clinton campaign, especially their cynical manipulation of racial and gender politics, has put them in the gutter with the lowest of Republicans.
I could never forgive them for their attempted character assassination of Bernie Sanders.
And when it's all over, no matter who wins, I will not be able to interact with Hill supporters here on DU (if I'm allowed to stay here afterward.) They have told the most egregious lies about Bernie. They've shown us all what kind of people they are.
It's amazing how a political campaign can strip the mask off.
But Bernie supporters? About 99% wonderful.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Is there one?
Absent that, talking heads doing their thing isn't terribly convincing.
senz
(11,945 posts)When the law finally comes down on her head -- what a day that will be.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)are entirely warranted by her recklessly self-serving, law-skirting, dishonest, untrustworthy behaviors.
You sure know how to pick 'em, don't you?
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)how many political endorsements were written by her campaign staff.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Or just selling your name to the highest bidder?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)when in fact ignoring the candidate that's to her left and does much better than her against Trump is the only thing that Helps TrumpTM
this faction of the party's always telegraphing, always externalizing, always preemptively accusing so the facts sound like the usual tit-for-tat defensiveness that makes politics a dirty word
they blamed Nader and backed Lieberman, they said "get involved in the primaries" and lost GE after GE in order to sabotage primary challengers, they said in 2006 that the left would begin its purity purge and then purged assloads of Reps, they lost 13 Senators and 69 Reps and now say that their plan was PERFECT, it was just that the canaille didn't go for it
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Like the opposite of what is portrayed is the reality. Yuk yuk.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)The sense of entitlement is astounding
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)and a hunger for power is a disturbing combination.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bullshit.
senz
(11,945 posts)One should try to develop better taste in candidates.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)he is spending money like a drunken sailor. funny that for someone with his principles.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)look at Bernie. First he hates the superdelegates, now he wants them to vote for him. Despite the overwhelming delegate count, he would rather politely STAY in the race until everyone is divided in our party and hate each other.
that's what Hillary needs to do. Stop trying to win and be more like Bernie.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Ethics don't need to be respected unless the law incorporates them.
That understanding has made middle class children both millionaires and retired politicians.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)All of those candidates that rely on them anyway.