I was thinking something more this size ...

As Sanders pointed out on CNN tonight, the committees chairs should be split almost evenly, as the delegates are nearly even. Yes, I know Clinton leads, but not enough to equate to to a 37-3 ratio for the committees. This is just common sense.

You and SusanCalvin are correct.

1. I was agreeing that while Clinton has 200 something more pledged delegates (supers don't count yet), the primary isn't over.

and

2. The proportions are way way off from being fair. Debbie is once again acting acting like the 2008 Clinton campaign manager instead of the 2016 the impartial Chair of the DNC.

When Hillary loses in November, I don't want to hear you "Whine."

system. As he says, change is never easy.

Funny!

(If this circus weren't dead serious.)

And it looks like you're a Bernie supporter? And you jump to conclusions about me? Really?

I will never vote for HRC and why I will no longer remain a democrat after this election.
The DNC is so corrupt. I don't even recognize this party.

... women losing the right to choose and gay people losing the right to marry? That is what will happen if the GOP wins. The DNC is not corrupt Hillary is just winning.

And the winner get to set the platform.

If gays lose the right to marry it might be because Hillary switches back to her original position.
and Hillary may be seen as winning - BUT SHE HAS NOT WON.

And she is not going to renounce marriage equality, FFS.

It's not her platform that worries me, it's how much of it she will sell out. Will we see the return of "the Grand Bargain"?

Nearly every politician was officially against gay marriage in some way or another, with or without exceptions for civil unions, until Joe Biden stuck his foot in Obama's mouth. Do I really believe they were against gay marriage? Not really. Politicians typically go as far as they think they get away with. I applaud an Independent senator like Bernie for taking the position before most others did, but I don't think it's reasonable or genuine to say that Hillary is going to turn back that clock.

and as for being reasonable or genuine, if HRC was either, she would not be hiding her Wall Street speeches.
But I really can't take anything you say seriously with your silly Bernie with the Pinnochio nose on your tag line.
While Hillary is well known as, and proven to be, a liar.

His last round of Pinocchio's from the Washington Post were numbered at four. Do you disagree with their assessment?

Do you argue with HRC's unfavorable rating - or do you just disregard it ?
So you argue with her "trustworthy" rating ?
Do you ever wonder why that might be.

Y'ain't accomplished much.

... but he's got nowhere near the hater that Hillary has.

to many of her original RW positions if she managers to pull this off.

Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion - for example

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511316086

Trump winning may be the result of that, and if you're so concerned about women's rights, gay right, etc. maybe you should have thought abou that before supporting a corrupt DNC and a corporate candidate. You made your bed, deal with it.

She has more votes.


How is it corrupt to give her and her supporters more say in the platform than the looser.


Bernie isn't losing because of the DNC. He is loosing because Democrats especially minority Dems don't like him.

Clinton secured the the Super delegates before anyone else announced they were going to run. Same thing with Democratic leaders in non-government positions. She even had non-partisan groups that never endorsed candidates to endorse her, to their detriment. Her 2008 campaign manager ran this election in her favor.

If she succeeds, it will become the future of "campaigning" in the Democratic Party.

Why bother the voters with choices when it can all be decided without one vote being cast?

Hillary got something like 85+ of the black vote nationally.

Latino voters and Asian voters were in the 60% range to the best of my knowledge.


Bernie is loosing big because people of color aren't voting for him.

That is not a conspiracy. It is key members of the Democratic party base do not like Bernie Sanders.


And right here on DU where African Americans make up the majority of the Democratic primary vote very racist things were said when Clinton won those states.

She had a tremendous advantage before a vote was cast for the reasons I posted. When actual votes started being cast, she had her operatives making "artful smears" about what racist, sexist, unrealistic(unicorn), communists Sanders and those who voted for him are.

That's going to cost her votes, if she becomes the nominee that is.

Key members of the Democratic Party do not like Clinton. It isn't based on "artful smears", but her atrocious record of bad decisions and trying to be on all sides of all issues.

Hard to vote for someone you haven't heard of, especially against the two decades of Clintons

... a majority of the people made the decision they still liked Clinton more.

He spent like 6 or 7 months campaign amongst African Americans. And he still lost by as much as 70% in some places.

The other candidate had 20 years of name recognition. Hardly a comparison.

it was a news story for weeks. When Bernie blew those numbers out of the water, not a peep.

will affect you as well as your family and friends for the next few generations. Such a pity to throw away your futures just to be spiteful and vindictive.
Acting out of rage isn't a good plan and you really will have made your beds and the beds of your children... and you cannot put that toothpaste back in the tube. Deal with that.

On the other hand, if Democrats (tm) aren't winning, maybe the DNC and followers will quit shoving their own choices down our throats. If everybody just continues to vote for what they give us, they have no reason to change.

Making you aware of the consequences isn't telling you what to do. What is it that Sanders supporters don't get about that?

If there is no unity you stand a better chance of a Trump presidency and some harsh consequences. That is a fact.

As always, there are consequences for your actions/in-actions, are you prepared for those consequences?

The translation is, "Either vote for Hillary or bad things will happen." To deny that is as bad as Condy saying, "Well if we have known the flight and seat numbers, we would have done something."

its not a fact that if Trump gets the presidency it will cause huge problems for the average person?

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. Facts are facts. I couldn't care less about placing blame. It seems that is really the problem Bernie's supporters don't like the facts so they get all upset and claim everyone is trying to get them to vote and be a team. Have I seen people do that? Yes I sure have. They are smart, and understand the system in place and realize you can not beat the establishment from outside the establishment. These people are worried for the future and know revolution is just a slogan and not the answer.

I do find it interesting how intensely people try and justify not doing everything they can to keep him out of office on Hillary for not enticing them. That's so arrogant it almost sounds like it came right out of Trump's mouth. It has become obvious that the sore losers just want to be begged for their vote. There's absolutely no way she will ever "earn" your votes and you know it.

The "voting conscience" posts I've seen here are interesting as well. It's as if people really can't see the big picture.

Does it not bother your consciences to even consider allowing someone like Trump in the white house? Does it not bother Bernie's supporters to resort to lying and comparing Hillary to Trump and saying there's no difference? Anyone who makes that claim is simply lying, so I'd argue they have no conscience.

Start taking responsibility for the words that come out of it.

bye now.

People say "stop putting words in my mouth" when they don't want to take responsibility for what the obvious meaning of those words is. "Warning" someone about all the bad things that will happen if Trump is elected is all about telling them to vote for Hillary. It's really that simple. It's your responsibility to speak or write clearly. If you don't want people to take meaning from your words, then don't say them.

If you mean something else, then please state it. Do you not mean, "vote for Hillary" by pointing out all the bad things that Trump will do? Is your objection that I equate, "vote for Hillary of else Trump will do bad things," with "get in line"? Functionally, the two are equivalent.

Also, as the person READING your actual words, I DO get to interpret them. If they're interpreted in a way that you don't like, maybe you should take more care in writing them.

It's amazing how you guys go back and forth. You're arguing for cutting people out of the process, then turning right around and saying we've got to stick together.

I am not saying Bernie shouldn't get a say in the platform because he should

I am saying he shouldn't complain that there are more Hillary people on it. Hillary got more votes.

If Bernie got more votes he would have more people on the platform committee and you would give Hillary a say.

It should be proportional. If she wins 55% she should only have 55% of the committee seats and he should have whatever percentage he wins. Anything less would be unfair.

Yeah, if you're a Democrat and you don't get your way, you should buck up and help the rest of us. That would be the decent thing to do.
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Sanders' supporters should have a presence on these committees that reflects his support in the primaries.

candidate who COULDN'T BEAT HIM.

I'm fucking sick of everyone saying it's all us BernieBros' fault if Trump gets elected. They made their fucking bed. The USED sexism calling everyone BernieBros, and now they're whining about Trump.

In one breath they tell us she's been vetted and in the next tell us we're damaging their fragile flower beyond repair.

... the consummate second classing of our concerns.

Corrupt. Intransigent and corrupt. DLC, DNC, DWS & HRC.

Condescending, supercilious, authoritarian & privileged.

Doomed.

before you went full-on, batshit Heisenberg within the Democratic Party.

You've done this to yourselves and to the party.

Responsibility does not begin and end with Sanders supporters. You people have made it impossible to support such horrific campaign dirty tricks, election stealing, calling us Bernie Bros, accusing Bernie of being racist and sexist. Supporting shit-for-brains Brock when he said, "Black lives don't matter much to Bernie Sanders." Allowing Bernie to be Swiftboatted with lies that called into question that U of Chicago photograph--which all of YOU insisted was Bruce Rappaport and that Bernie was a liar in his civil-rights work. Hijacking Bernie's cool trip to Italy with your incessant, rabid lies and mocking--all of which were debunked. As if the unfair debate schedule and the DNC rigging it for Hillary and working against Bernie--wasn't bad enough.

It didn't have to be this fucking twisted and sick. YOUR camp made sure that it was, every day.

Deal with it!

Bernie's senior data director stole the Clintons campaigns data.

Bernie's campaign impersonated union members in Nevada.


Supporters of Bernie harassed black supporters of Clinton. Resorted to racist rhetoric when they voted for Hillary.


Accused the DNC of money laundering when the same operation was offered to Bernie when he declined.

Attacked Planed Parenthood as part of the establishment.

I can go on and on.

Why do you repeat lies? Isn't honesty good enough?

All they do is lie and spin.

Who cares anymore.

I'm right with you.

My husband and I, both forty year members of the Democratic Party, changed to Independent after our caucus.

We were appalled and disgusted by the unethical tactics of the DNC, DWS, and the Clintons during this primary.

I will never support corruption, voter suppression, vote rigging and the use of super delegates to throw the nomination.

I don't recognize this party either. It used to be better than this.

Bernie is the first candidate since Carter that I've donated money to.

If Clinton pulls this off , you will be told "see this is what everyone wants" and the party will run even farther to the right. We talk about the republican party being destroyed, the Democrat Party will also be destroyed. Something very different will emerge by this time next year and it won't be very interested in democracy.

DWS and the rest can go to hell.

If ANY of us can get to Philly and march on the convention, PLEASE do so!

On November 5th, he can do whatever he wants, but now is not the time to cause rifts.

In other words, he lost.

You deduct Clinton supers but Bernie keeps his...we have no winner take all primaries. With proportionate voting ...he would need probably 75-80 % . He won't get it.

I'm GOING to have a birthday in 2 weeks.

I can start celebrating now.

Seems OK to me.

That is to say, an indication of the party's long, slow(ish) slide to the right...to the point where we may have a centrist (at best) candidate. If that is indeed the decision of the majority of the party (we'll know after the last primary just how "overwhelming" that preference is, and not before), so be it. But a very large minority will never accept that...policies and political actions trump brand loyalty. They'll leave if there's so little likelihood of a shift back to the left.

And there's no way I'm voting for her or staying in this party if Bernie loses, regardless of what he thinks, because I think this is a cesspool of corruption that people are okay with.

you captured it perfectly

We don't want your vote if you don't support our corporate candidate, so piss off!

We don't want your vote if you do not share the values of the Democratic Party.

If the concept of representative government is not to your liking, the Democratic Party is not for you.

If you are somehow offended by the idea that the person who gets the most votes wins, and that those votes represent support of that person's position on how things should proceed from here, this is not the best party for you.

If you are so narrow minded and inflexible that you cannot see the value in uniting behind the Party's candidate, this is not your party.

It seems unlikely that your positions will be respected on the other side, but I am sure they will be more than happy to accept your support.

Basically, Hillary has had more than full support of the party, possibly including election fraud. The whole process has been sleazy, all to push through a corporate, war hawk candidate. If these are the values of the Democratic party (tm), then they need to deal with people leaving the party and not voting for their candidates. Given how many governor's seats and how many congressional seats democrats have lost, this isn't a big concern for them.

What is going to happen is that the percentage of people in the country who think of themselves as independents will grow. It's already big, but it will get worse. Actually, this would probably be a good thing, as candidates would have to run on their ideas rather than their brands.

But to hear people squeal about how much Trump will be bad and stuff, how he will take away women's and minorities' rights if we don't all vote for the person they shoved through is laughable. They pushed her through and alienated a lot of people, but they don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions.

Your bed, your beauty rest.

Bernie CHOSE to run as a Democrat instead of an Independent, because he believed that to be to his advantage. He accepted the rules, and agreed to abide by them.

Things have not gone his way, so he wants to change the game. He wants to play by a different set of rules, and wants the party that he has attempted to piggyback on to change for him. His supporters see it as a revolution.

This is not a revolution. A revolution involves working from outside the system to change it. What this is is an attempted coup. We all know how that works out.

First, he didn't want to become Nader. Second, the two parties have rigged the system over decades to keep third party candidates out. That's why the League Of Women Voters stopped sponsoring debates. Third and most importantly, Bernie espouses the values that the Democratic Party (tm) said it has. This election has made it very clear that they no longer have those values.

You don't like Bernie complaining about how The Party rigs elections? Don't rig them.

That is exactly what his supporters are clamoring for!

If this party no longer has the values he expected it to have, why join up? Surely you don't think this massive decline in values has occurred in this election cycle?

A significant majority of the Democratic Party has spoken. It is the values of those voters that you are attacking. That is fine and dandy if you aren't a member of the party. Pretending to "share" our values while screaming from the rooftops about how corrupt we are just doesn't fly.

but you're right, I should probably become an indy. Love it or leave it. That's the Democrratic (tm) way!

I'm very tempted to say Ooookaaaaaay...

Not vote for Hill in the general. Is that what you're encouraging....?

Bernie BECAME A DEMOCRAT because he lacked the operational ability to run an independent campaign. Now he's complaining because everyone else plays by the rules that pre-existed his joining the party. He's the last one to get on the bus, he doesn't get to drive the thing. Membership brings both benefits and responsibilities; he doesn't get to demand one while ignoring the other, same goes for any member.

quite a few HRC supporters will jump in here to create the pivot replies... 'quit whining', 'you lost', 'you're not a DEM'... blah blah...

all this does is reinforce the very thing Bernie is campaigning through convention, why stop, continue to shine the glaring media light on the DEM party and the insider establishment machine and the ugliness it creates within the guise of 'democracy'... and the 'party of the people'...

the closer convention gets and both Bernie and HRC won't have the delegate count needed to earn nomination the more media will focus on SDs and what their role actually is and whom is listed as SDs...

Grab your popcorn, this will get better and much more comical

Who does not like Hillary, this is the Democratic party. Sanders stacked Congressional members against himself, talk to Sanders and see why he did establish relationships there.

Hmmmmm...

Green, libertarian, liberty union or any other party members on the committee. I may not like all Democrats and as far as Sanders goes he has had an opportunity to establish relationships with Democrats and other members of congress, he did not. He has also not always had kind words to say about Democrats or the Democrat party, so he made his bed and now there is complaining.

I haven't kept up with the convention appointments.

It's time for him to start his own party and run things how he wants.

Look, it's very simple. You cannot demand party unity from people you actively exclude from representation, right down to committees at the Convention. It's a big tent, but that works both ways.

The point is if you hate a party, it's members and it's processes so much, you should not be a part of it and should start your own.

I would sign up tomorrow.

stealing elections cannot be the way forward. The DNC is truly writing it's own obituary, Third Way will be totally abandoned after this election, and a much larger Progressive Party (what ever it ends up being called) will break off and be a force to be reckoned with.

"Ready for Hillary" had been ready to go for years. The high money donors were lined up. The MSM was in her pocket as the corporate candidate whose spouse gave them the 1996 Telecom Bill. She had super delegates selected. The DNC, as we all know, belonged to Hillary (which is why Tulsi Gabbard quit). And before her campaign had even figured out is policy positions, she had 33 state Democratic Parties signed up.

It would have been a cakewalk to the coronation if not for an obscure 73-year old senator who, on a shoestring budget, simply went out and spoke the truth to the American people.

Now they're going to repeat the process at the convention.