2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary To Face FBI Interviews Within Weeks:
....an order by Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court decided to lay out ground rules for interviewing multiple State Department officials, and ordered at least six current and former State Department employees to answer questions, all in an effort to finish the depositions in the weeks before the party nominating conventions....
As CBS reports, a source has confirmed that Hillary Clinton will be interviewed by the FBI within the coming weeks, in connection with the investigation into her private email server....
The FBI and Justice Department have been investigating whether sensitive information that flowed through Clinton's email server was mishandled. ...
There's no timetable for completing the investigation, and there have been no statements about how much longer the investigation will take.
As we reported on Wednesday, a federal judge in Washington said he may order Clinton to testify under oath about whether she used a private email server to evade public records disclosures. ...
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)And no one in the establishment of the party cares. And probably some people who voted for her don't even know about it. It is beyond bizarre and mind-boggling.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Hillary's most fanatical supporters do the entire Democratic party a disservice when they try to discourage discussion, research and understanding about this very serious topic.
Their cries of, "Stop posting right-wing trash!" and "You're just wishing for an indictment" are middle-school antics.
This is a serious FBI investigation. Nothing right-wing about the FBI investigating our Democratic frontrunner. Nothing right-wing about the possibility that the FBI could recommend indictment and throw our Democratic party--and our election--into chaos.
This is a Democratic issue. One that the Democratic party should take seriously.
Not all of her supporters are acting like fools. But her sycophants who are in denial need to realize that by squelching rational and clear discussion about what this means for the Democratic party--that they are hurting our party.
There's nothing smart about sticking your head in the sand while our party faces a huge, unprecedented crisis.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)just as bad. It really stinks that this was not resolved a year ago.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Who am I to tell the FBI to hurry up? I don't pretend to know what's happening on the inside.
They've been investigating her emails for a year now. In March, the FBI announced that they have completed the investigation of her emails and the only remaining tasks were interviewing her aids and Clinton.
The timing seems to suggest that this should be wrapped up sometime in June. That's my best guess. A good month for the aid interviews; a month for Clinton (May) and June to conclude.
The bulk of the work has been completed. The emails gave the FBI an electronic paper trail of exactly what happened. Those interviews weren't about gleaning facts about what happened. The FBI knows what happened. The interviews are to put the facts into context.
I would be surprised if this went past June.
And yes, it does stink that this is still ongoing. It's very rough on our party.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)But I suppose she actually thinks she did not make any mistakes. All I know is that I saw people get kicked out of the military for just leaving "Confidential" material around. And that is much lower classification than Emails that where withheld from the server.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)stuffed with 20 years of, shall we say, opposition research.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)She likely won't win a GE against Trump.
She doesn't support many progressive policy matters.
She has the highest untrustworthy rating any Democrat has ever had.
Her favorables are underwater by twenty percent or so, last I saw.
She uses this "persecution" as a shield. It's the old VRWC the Clintons have always used to play victim.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)The response to this crisis defies logic. I don't want her indicted. I have no reason to. I just want the truth to see the light of day, sooner rather than later, for all our sakes.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)if the FBI does recommend indictment.
I would say that most people do not understand the FBI investigation into Clinton's email server; nor do they understand what she has done or the laws governing all of this.
If the FBI recommends indictment, she is done. Out of the race. This will all happen very quickly. Our party will be thrown into turmoil.
Meanwhile, because the Clinton glee club wanted to remain ignorant and in denial--our entire party will be gobsmacked and ignorant on the entire situation.
No one is preparing for the fact that Clinton will NOT release her delegates to Bernie. That's just not going to happen. She never will. I am a delegate who just participated at the District level and State is next month. Both Bernie and Hillary delegates--at this point--are loyal beyond measure. They are fiercely grounded in their camps. Hillary's delegates will do as she instructs. This could mean a new person being given her delegates.
This is not a situation that I want. Jesus! The potential chaos could foster disunity and upheaval that would almost hand the election to Trump.
And if we're standing around like a bunch of ignorant asses--who haven't done our due diligence--than I guess we deserve a Trump presidency!
We're not advocating for her indictment. We're advocating that Democrats be informed, so this doesn't destroy our party!!!
6chars
(3,967 posts)if it happens, then Bernie can probably take the baton.
But people have predicted 37 of the last 0 indictments of Hillary, so maybe we can just cross that bridge when we come to it.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)"the odds of that are quite minimal" How do you know this? I don't know it, you don't know it, unless you work for the FBI or DOJ. I don't want her indicted, I just want this to end before we are in a place of horrible damage to the Democratic party. If you think that she won't be indicted for political reasons, I find little comfort in that. It will still be a mess.
6chars
(3,967 posts)How do you know the odds aren't minimal? From a lifetime of watching political scandals unfold, this one just doesn't seem to have much heft. It has been known for years that she had her own server, and they have known for quite a while what was on it. I don't expect the testimony of her advisors to incriminate her.
TimPlo
(443 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Just recently, Joe Biden's news profile has been elevated. He has discussed the primary (saying positive things about Bernie), he made a surprise visit to Iraq, and he had an audience with the Pope, all within the span of a few days.
Neither the Clinton campaign nor their DNC arm will release delegates to Bernie. Instead they will give them to Biden. One theory has it that they might offer Elizabeth Warren as Joe's running mate to mollify liberals and progressives, but I would be surprised if she accepted.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I think "the powers that be" have known the score for a while now. Biden has been shooting his mouth off about how great Bernie is. He's even managed to get a few Hillary digs in. Honest Joe. That man seriously cannot keep a secret.
I was guessing that their plan would be to offer Bernie the VP slot. It's most likely the only way to unify the party and win the election.
After I read the facts; exactly what Clinton did and also the law, I about fell off my chair. She certainly broke several laws. She certainly deserves to be indicted. The FBI could easily recommend indictment. That's when I started to pay attention to what may be going on behind the scenes. You probably did the same thing. There's no doubt that Biden has been leveraged more. They did the same thing with Joe in the early fall when he was considering a run. We saw a spike in media appearances.
I really hope that Bernie supporters are steeled for the shitstorm that may be coming. I would guess sometime befor end of June, wouldn't you?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)That's interesting.
I can tell you that Republicans think she will be indicted AFTER the convention, and then forced to step aside for Biden. In which case they expect to lose the GE to Biden.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)in late March, the FBI announced that the investigation was nearing closure. The investigation and groundwork into HRC's emails and server were complete. Comey said there were two hurdles remaining: Interview Clinton's aids then interview Clinton.
It took them a month to interview several Clinton aids. All of April. Let's say it takes them all of May to interview Clinton. I bet this is wrapped up sometime before late June.
Comey has said the investigation work is complete. They have all of her emails. Those emails provide an electronic trail of everything they need to know. They have records of everything she did. They aren't interviewing people to ask them what they did. They're basically telling them...here's what we know happened. The interviews help the agents put into context the information they've gleaned from the emails.
I think we're going to know soon. I don't think this will drag into summer.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)They said the FBI was trying to fit it in to her travel schedule...and perhaps she conveniently has no plans soon to be in D.C.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It could be part of a plea agreement, in order to avoid that chaos you describe that would rip the party up.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)If she violated her nondisclosure agreement she can't be issued a security clearance. Nobody in government can receive classified documents without one. Not even the President. That is what the really deciding finding will be in Comey's report.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)This is so Clinton like. There should have been no problem. The entire email set up was strange, but where I really have a problem is that, in spite of KNOWING their were many legitimate inquiries, she did no give copies to the SD when she left.
THAT Issue HAS NOTHING to do with classification. It has to do with transparency. It also left the SD with a mess. This is what I meant by so Clinton. It often is the people around them who trust them, who end up bearing more of the cost or burden than they do.
Still, the timeline leads to a conundrum. She has not been found guilty of anything at this point. This is her last shot of being President. It is not fair to ask her to stand fown. However, if this is not resolved, it can hurt. The saving grace is that Trump is a weak candidate.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)She is the one that screwed things up for herself.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Whether she intended to or not. Intent should not even be an issue in an investigation.
George II
(67,782 posts).....bring this up several times a day.
And get it right, please - the FBI does NOT NOT "recommend indictment", they simply investigate things and present their finding to the DOJ and/or prosecutors.
Can't win the nomination, so now Sanders' "fanbase" is trying to redefine the function and purpose of the FBI.
This will NOT win the nomination for Sanders, no how and no way.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)They say, as they stick their fingers in their ears.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Mind-boggling
Jemmons
(711 posts)Also everybody likes her, so it dont matter.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Jemmons
(711 posts)Im sure her staff can write up an explanation that will satisfy the FBI.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Like the little dealie.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)wasn't illegal. End of story.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)That's pretty well where it's at right now.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)She's pushing it, now with the foundation making it global and and involving other countries. Pay to play indicates the Banana Republic we have become. Thanks Clintons...not.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)have the impeachment papers drawn up. Now before you go off and say I wish her ill, save your words. I don't. Nor am I a "hater". But I do believe that she is not above the law, as I am sure you would concur.
So swearing in a President who is saying to the entire globe ... "prove it"... does not bode well. Her gender has no effect on me, but it does for lots of other young girls and women. Frankly, at best, she's a lousy role model.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)That statement implies that she did something illegal.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)classified information but say you didn't intend to . . . all he will hear is that you mishandled classified information. Whether you intended to or not does not matter in this area of the law.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)right to protest.
They do not care about justice or our rights IF it hurts their candidate.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Being ignorant and unprepared--while our frontrunner faces a possible indictment--is foolish.
This is a scandal and a crisis that Hillary brought into our party. We didn't ask for this bullshit!
And her supporters don't want to talk about it. They want it ignored.
Well la-dee-frickin-da!! You want to remain ignorant and unprepared, do it by yourself.
Stop encouraging good Democrats to be ignorant fools who shouldn't care about the possibility of a political catastrophe within our own party--when our frontrunner may be recommended for indictment!
MichMan
(11,974 posts)Based on multiple posts the last couple days, you would have thought she had already been cleared of all wrong doing.
Why are they interviewing her then.............?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)She only returned to earth so save us unworthy peasants from the monstrous evils of full healthcare, a clean environment, peace, economic justice, and a functioning democracy.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It is Sunday, somewhere.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)it's the Bart Simpson defense to a "T"
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Abouttime
(675 posts)No way in hell the Obama controlled DOJ charges the D nominee right before the election.
It would be political suicide for our party. Sorry Hillary gets a pass even though she showed gross disregard for the law, anyone else would be making a plea deal trying to keep themselves out of Federal prison.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)this gem surfaced. Now that Hillary's criics are forced to abandon the "Indictiment coming any day now, just wait - you'll see" I guess they have to move on to "The game was fixed" (Kind of like the same thing we've been hearing about all the Primary elections Bernie has lost?). I'm sure you have something you can point to that would prove what you're saying. Maybe you could point to something Obama said, or Janet Lynch said, or James Comey said?? I know you wouldn't just put something as serious as that out there just because.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)http://prospect.org/article/crank-outrage-machine
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Get this nonsense over with so we can focus on the general against Trump.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)voters. Seems I read that George Will is helping in that effort. Another cool sidekick to go along with Kissinger.
But, she'll likely get further with them than with the Left. She is one of them, which is why she's not one of us. Pretty simple.
Nonsense. Indeed.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)corporatist and warmongering celebrity Republicans, like George Will, on her side. She's highly revered by the neocons who planned the Iraq War. The chief architect of the Iraq war, Robert Kagan, endorsed her.
So, these powerbroker Republicans and the celebrity pundits--she's got them.
Here's the problem. Hillary will have serious problems attracting average, Joe-six-pack Republican, because sorry, they've all gone feral. Hillary erroneously believes that there are "Alex P Keaton" Reagan conservatives out there in America, just waiting to vote for her. So Hillary will wade into the dark side to find business-centric types--who are fiscally conservative, moderate when it comes to social issues, but in the tank for low taxes and corporate-friendly policies.
Ummmm...rabid talk radio and crazy-paranoid Fox News have morphed most Republicans into howl-at-the-moon ingrates who think Obama wants to confiscate their Bibles and their guns.
Hillary may get some Republican powerbrokers and corporate mucky mucks on her side. She may even get a truckload of their money.
But oh honey, when it comes to sane, centrist, corporate Republican voters--that well is nearly dry!
Right-wing radio was intended to manipulate and control the Republican voting block--using fear, paranoia, racism, sexism and hair-on-fire daily crises. that. Nearly 20 years of this has taken a toll.
Furthermore, winger media has fomented such rage and personal hate against Hillary. They think she killed Vince Foster and hold out hope that she'll be prosecuted for Travelgate.
I don't know what HRC thinks she's going to find on the other side of the political rainbow, but she's not likely to find votes.
This is highly disturbing that it has come to such desperate, misguided strategies like this, in the Dem party. Especially with Trump being the Republican nominee.
It's just crazy.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...as well as women evangelicals.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)much like Reagan did to us back in the 80's.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)is the definition of Republican-lite. So there's that.
Are there more voters? Or is it just about the donors. She needs boatloads of money, and I imagine her usual suspect donors are not giving to the extent they were when she was to be crowned, as all Establishment Democrats graciously gave her pass after pass and didn't challenge her.
So I'll say it ... Clinton v. 2, you're no Reagan. Bill, he kind of was.
frylock
(34,825 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)And Hillary Clinton will STILL be the Democratic nominee and be elected President in November.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,967 posts)...I believe she is happy to see this investigation concluding!
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)first ....as soon as she arrives. Oh, so much to look forward to in our country. More wars, cuts to social nets, and more. Working with Paul Ryan.