2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI Thought It Was Already Locked Up? Hillary Clinton Resumes Buying Air Time for Ads
"The Clinton campaign is returning to the airwaves after a brief absence, buying roughly $175,000 worth of television advertising in Kentucky to air in the next week, according to two media buyers tracking the reservations.
The campaign has not made any new reservations or paid for advertising since Mrs. Clintons decisive victories in the Mid-Atlantic states on April 26.
In Indiana, the campaign was outspent on advertising by Bernie Sanders by $1.6 million to zero. Mrs. Clinton also lost that contest.
With Mr. Sanders reiterating his pledge to fight for every remaining vote in every remaining state Monday morning at a campaign rally in Atlantic City, and Donald J. Trump campaigning around the country as the presumptive Republican nominee, the Clinton team is finding itself battling two foes at once.
The majority of the new creative ads coming from the Clinton side has been focused on Mr. Trump; both her campaign and Priorities USA, the super PAC supporting her candidacy, released digital videos last week attacking him for comments claiming to be a unifier.
But, without a new ad being produced by the campaign, the reservations in Kentucky are most likely a shift back toward the primary, at least as much as their reservation takes them. The states Democratic primary is May 17."
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/09/hillary-clinton-resumes-buying-air-time-for-ads/
It seems that Team Hillary isn't as sure as they used to be.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Renew Deal
(81,881 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Clinton will continue her primary campaign but it's clear she is shifting toward the GE. Makes sense. The primary is over.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)43. Clinton has won more open primary states.
You clearly don't know what independents are in this country. I'm one and am strong for Clinton.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I've seen a lot of poor arguments for just who is trying to represent families in America. So far, I've seen a lot of nonsense arguments indicating human beings don't need progress. I guess we're all supposed to go run and hide.
I've put at LEAST 3 people on ignore today. Smells a little better in here.
There is no problem with accounting for who has won open primaries. I think Sanders has 6 and Clinton has 12, but the degrees of wins in those states stand to differ. It is worth seeing the rest of these races, being that they are majorly open.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)so NCTraveler's claim means he did not vote in the 2016 primary.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)he apparently thinks he was an Independent. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1935147
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)for our Primary. She is also appearing in Louisville, KY today for a rally prior to our Primary on May 17. I posted about this earlier today.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511933534
I guess she's pivoting to the Primary again.
This is part of what I posted at the link above.
The reports Monday night signal that plan may have changed, as Sen. Bernie Sanders remains in the race. The Kentucky Democratic primary will be held on May 17.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Considering the miners in Eastern KY aren't thrilled with her. She has to get the vote out in Jefferson Co. (Louisville) to make up for it. Pretty poor planning to have to come in at the last minute to try to win a closed primary.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)She will continue to push her messages, regardless of GE or Primary
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the one where she tells Republicans their values are hers too or the one where she seems interested in helping poor women and children?
we saw similar a few weeks back where in Harlem she was all about gun control and days later in rural PA all about upholding the 2nd amendment
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/09/clinton-campaign-republican-donors-hillary-shares-your-values
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511934951
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... we aren't dealing with strategic thinkers.
Its same reason Sander's laying off staffers in states where the primary is over is a big TELL.
You only start doing that if you know you won't need those people in the GE.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)If you take a job walking your neighbor's dog while he's on vacation, do you expect to continue to be paid for that job when he returns and can resume that duty himself?
No.
So when a state has already long since voted and resources are needed for states ahead, you generally lay people off when you can move them to other states.
Bernie doesn't have all that Wall Street cash to keep people in past-states on the payroll.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And I'd think you'd leave staff in the other states so they could organize gotv efforts in prep for the GE.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)So your statement is disingenuous. It was a statement, wasn't it? Perhaps it was merely a question and you just lack knowledge on basic punctuation?
I really don't know
Thanks in advance for clearing that up.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"Somehow I don't think the article meant she was spending money for ads against Trump"
This is a part of the attack at all cost mentality. Why does a GE ad have to be against Trump in your opinion? I have never heard of such a thing.
That is the only possibility? lol.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Again, Thanks so much.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I clearly displayed why it wasn't disingenuous. I get now that you are just looking to attack. Have fun.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)dis·in·gen·u·ous
ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/
adjective
adjective: disingenuous
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
synonyms: insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; hypocritical
"that innocent, teary-eyed look is just part of a disingenuous act"
Translate disingenuous to
Use over time for: disingenuous
As I said- your statement is disengenous /dishonest because the article is about HRC spending money against Sanders in the primary and your statement
And that dear person is dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, lying!
Get it?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Really clear why you see so few options. I appreciate you clearing that up.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Again, thanks for your time.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They didn't include hate or name calling. I give you that.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)which is why she is airing ads in my state for our primary on May 17.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)She picked up a lot of new donors so it won't
effect her warchest for November.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Renew Deal
(81,881 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)If Hillary would have won. IMHO team Hillary would have got their wish and Skinner would have called it.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Why in the world do you think he would have called it if he lost Indiana? That is just strange. Not only did he not call it after NY, he doubled down in his language about fighting against the will of the voters.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm not talking about Bernie. He's going to the convention
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I don't want to see anyone kicked off this site. Calling it and some wild speculation about a purge are completely different things. They are not connected. One has to want to be kicked off DU in order to actually be kicked off DU.
A little secret for you. Outside of one "purge", they have all been individual self-fulfilling prophecies occurring at times when people find themselves in a desperate position. Purges, outside of one, have never come here from the top down. That is a fact.
I find the discussion of a purge to be laughable.
As for Sanders going to the convention, I'm excited about it. His endorsement will be epic. Your comment there leaves me wondering why you first tried to claim he would have dropped out if Clinton won Indiana. I'm really glad I don't have to be all over the place with my arguments like that. Can't be easy.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)You folks must be so proud of what you've all become. What ever it is- it certainly isn't democratic.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Hillary Supporter has been licking their chops at the prospect. What do you suppose all the "Call it, Skinner" threads were about?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I just don't think getting rid of people is a very democratic principle whether in a virtual reality or real time.
There were others in history (yes, before the internet) that participated and took glee in purges too, but far be it from me to mention any names.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)she wants this Primary to be resounding win, not a begrudging win with a Bernie shrug.
After all, Bernie is setting the tone on this.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And she did campaign there, so she spent more than zero.
Renew Deal
(81,881 posts)griffi94
(3,733 posts)She didn't need to win Indiana in any case.
She did well in large diverse high population states.
That's where Bernie really lost it.
Maybe if he runs again in 2024 He'll
campaign in FL TX VA NC GA more.
If he could have just kept his losses in those states to low double digits
he'd still be in the race now.
Oh well. Live & learn.
All that matters now is the
scoreboard.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)in a closed primary too. Ooops. Shouldn't she have a lock on all us REAL Democrats. Why does she even have to advertise here? I guess some of us Democrats are giving signals in her polling that we aren't walking in lock step with her.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)If her goal is to minimize Sanders' influence at the convention, she should arrive with as many delegates as she can.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)How humiliating for her to go after conservative Republicans.
msongs
(67,459 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Trump may be buttering up to Bernie, but it's NOT been reciprocated.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Nobody's noticing much, but they are voting. And it's open to Independents! He was down in the polls two weeks ago, and now he's up +6.
Go West Virginia!
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)Bernie favors coal...does the head of the greens in New York know this? Can never remember her name.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)And, unlike with Hillary, he'll actually work his hardest to follow through to make that happen, rather than just killing off the manufacturing industry with 'free' trade agreements and leaving Americans in the poor house.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Pushing Carbon Tax and Fracking Ban, Sanders Lays Down Gauntlet on Climate
"I hope that Secretary Clinton would join me if we are serious about climate change, about imposing a tax on carbon on the fossil fuel industry and making massive investments in energy efficiency and sustainable energy. And by the way... I hope youll join me in ending fracking in the United States of America."
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/10/pushing-carbon-tax-and-fracking-ban-sanders-lays-down-gauntlet-climate
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)I don't recall Bernie mentioning any of that in WVA...hmm. I have way more respect for Hillary who told the truth.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/02/politics/hillary-clinton-west-virginia-coal-comments/
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)in Eastern Kentucky are noticing.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)But I've just been told on another thread about the WV vote, that there's no such thing as momentum from one race to the next. We'll see about that, won't we?
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)West Virginia coal miners and Eastern KY coal miners is why she is spending advertising dollars here this week. It's also why she is making two appearances in Louisville today and why Bill will be in Louisville on Thursday. They have to increase turnout in Jefferson Co. to counteract all the votes she's going to lose in other parts of the state. Bernie was here last week. There were 7,000 who attended the rally on a cold night. Bill was also here last week to talk with a smaller group. KY is a closed primary so for them to be here as much as they are and now spending advertising dollars I think they are worried. I truly hope they have something to worry about. I know everyone in my family will be voting for Bernie.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I'm certainly glad to hear it! I will sure be pulling for you all there! I'm glad Kentucky is making her spend time and dollars that she can't spend elsewhere too.
I think it would be significant if the people there swung the state for Sanders. It could be a nice one-two punch -- first West Virginia today, and then Kentucky!
I have a great affinity for the whole region, being from the original Morgans in WV, recent generations just across the border here in MD. My family worked more in lumber -- sawmills, paper manufacture in the old days, then furniture and building (all on a small scale). But I have lots of miner cousins throughout the mountain states.
Go Kentucky!
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)FSogol
(45,532 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)The ads are not focused on Trump in Kentucky.
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)with the zombie campaign...a couple of wins will help. Also, thanks to Bernie all media is going to Trump.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Is that the new Brock talking point today?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Well, there's the Brain Dead Statement of the Day
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)The primary is over and the GE has begun ...but we are stuck in zombie primary.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Newsflash: the media was all about Trump from the beginning. Pretending it's a new thing doesn't make it true.
Demsrule86
(68,703 posts)If Hillary was the official nominee, she would get more coverage.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)There's no way to know why her campaign is buying ads.
George II
(67,782 posts)....that she IS buying air time she's scoffed.
The story keeps changing as long as it can criticize Hillary Clinton.
And people call the Clinton campaign "camp weathervane".
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Hillary isn't even thinking about Bernie. This article counters that. How we changing anything?
George II
(67,782 posts)....."an unnamed source", etc.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)FSogol
(45,532 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)FSogol
(45,532 posts)about what the ad will contain. Since most of the new ads are focused on Trump, the better speculation is that the ads will be anti-Trump.
Psssssssssssss, that's the sound of air leaving your premise.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Let's check back and see who's right. If Bernie wins tonight my odds will only get better.
I don't deny that Hillary desperately wants to more on to the GE but it's not happening just yet if at all.
I'll gladly stand behind my posts.
FSogol
(45,532 posts)caption of the photo from that article:
Virginia? Is she trying to beat Sanders again there or is she focusing on the GE?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Especially when these campaign events are generally planned somewhat in advance.
This is chess not checkers.
Like I said. Let's wait and see.
FSogol
(45,532 posts)the GE, not a sign that Sanders has a chance.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Again I've already said she's desperately trying to move on.
FSogol
(45,532 posts)As for Trump vs HRC, she crushes him in VA. VA's huge military population (Newport News, VA Beach, as well as Alexandria, Arlington, and all the other suburbs) are not supporting Trumpy.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Again, this is chess.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)are not Trump ads. I've seen them.
By Gabriel Debenedetti
05/09/16 11:08 PM EDT
After taking a brief break from primary season television advertising, Hillary Clinton's campaign went back on the air in Kentucky with a reservation Monday of roughly $180,000 for the final week before the state's May 17 primary, according to media buying sources.
The move comes on the eve of Tuesday's West Virginia primary, likely to be Clinton's second straight state loss to Bernie Sanders.
But the senator's strength among white working class voters and blowback in coal-producing Eastern Kentucky from Clinton's March remark about putting "a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business" suggest that Kentucky could be a tight race, and Clinton's campaign is eager to stop Sanders from gaining momentum with a string of wins through May.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/clinton-back-on-the-air-with-tv-ads-222997
I wonder why she's worried about Sander's momentum if this is a DONE DEAL?
FSogol
(45,532 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I've seen two of them and the article supports what I saw with my own eyes. This IS the last week before our primary. The ads started this week.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I think Bernie would be able the HEAL the country, but he won't be brought to HEEL.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)DebDoo
(319 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Hillary Clinton Resumes Buying Air Time for Ads WITH REPUBLICAN MONEY
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)The ads are either anti-Trump or the Clinton's older "personal bio" type of ads...I'd be surprised if any of them mention Sanders at all.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)What a waste.