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hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:45 PM May 2016

I would be astounded if Bernie somehow got the nomination.

I would not be even a little surprised if Hillary lost the GE.

The negatives about her are certainly overhyped to a huge degree, but they still exist. I don't see her campaign doing ANYTHING to address those. If anything, they seem to be doing the opposite by attacking voters who mention them.

Staunch democrats and staunch republicans more or less cancel each other out. The people backing Trump are pissed off, nd pissed off people are good at self-motivation and will eagerly blind themselves to their own team's negatives. Meanwhile, Hillary and the DNC have been busily beating down the motivation of young voters: not real democrats, want unicorns, sexist, bad at math, etc. Disheartened voters tend to not vote. What is the expected outcome of such abuse?

Hillary needs to fix her message in a big hurry.

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I would be astounded if Bernie somehow got the nomination. (Original Post) hellofromreddit May 2016 OP
Think Sanders would be blown away like George McGovern, M Dukakis, Carter (2nd), if he were nominee. Hoyt May 2016 #1
Irrelevant. Weak deflection. Try harder. hellofromreddit May 2016 #4
I'm "astounded" that skills in basic mathematics are in such dire supply......LOL Trust Buster May 2016 #2
Nice doubledown. hellofromreddit May 2016 #13
The person leading by millions needs to change strategy? LOL. JaneyVee May 2016 #3
Haven't you posted this same message about a dozen or so times in the last few weeks Tarc May 2016 #5
No. hellofromreddit May 2016 #6
Actually yea, you kinda have Tarc May 2016 #12
I didn't write any of those. Try to make it through a discussion without lying. hellofromreddit May 2016 #14
Yes you have Demsrule86 May 2016 #16
Bernie will make a much better President bkkyosemite May 2016 #7
Nope Demsrule86 May 2016 #17
Age discrimination? She had a serious medical condition and is a year younger than me. bkkyosemite May 2016 #29
He would be 81 Demsrule86 May 2016 #36
She's winning with her current message. Don't fix something that isn't broken. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #8
This is not the GE. One obvious difference: states Hillary has wins in will go republican in the GE hellofromreddit May 2016 #10
yeah yeah yeah. Sounds more like a wish list. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #27
She is cheating with her current message. This primary has been rigged from the bkkyosemite May 2016 #30
She also killed Michael Jackson. Coincidence? Lil Missy May 2016 #31
I don't think the killing comment is the best of comments to make. bkkyosemite May 2016 #32
Pales in comparison to most stupid comments about Hillary from the BS camp. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #35
I guess you did not understand my comment. bkkyosemite May 2016 #37
Look at the first four responses... TCJ70 May 2016 #9
Yeah, they have astonishingly low standards. It seems winning the election is for the sake of a win hellofromreddit May 2016 #11
AS soon as Trump became the nominee Demsrule86 May 2016 #19
While I do agree with you, that doesn't fix the problem. hellofromreddit May 2016 #20
Bernie has to suspend or conced and endorse Demsrule86 May 2016 #28
Then you just answered the thread author's question. She would be wasting her time. Thank you. Trust Buster May 2016 #18
Ah but Demsrule86 May 2016 #15
19 replys and i only can see 3. the Hillarians are out in force again today. they seem to litlbilly May 2016 #21
Yeah, they're pretty bad. They all read from the same script too. hellofromreddit May 2016 #22
My guess is, we have all of them on ignore, they have none of us on ignore, at the behest of litlbilly May 2016 #23
She needs to fix HERSELF... Ino May 2016 #24
The saddest part of this election... TCJ70 May 2016 #25
Problem with fixing her message is that she polls untrustworthy and dishonest and merrily May 2016 #26
What is feeding this belief of the hard-core Sanders supporters is simply the 24 hr cable news cycle anotherproletariat May 2016 #33
First time in my life of 65 years I'm seriously thinking about sitting out this election. B Calm May 2016 #34
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Think Sanders would be blown away like George McGovern, M Dukakis, Carter (2nd), if he were nominee.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
3. The person leading by millions needs to change strategy? LOL.
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:50 PM
May 2016

Perhaps Bernie shouldve changed strategy.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
12. Actually yea, you kinda have
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

Slight variation of

"Bernie's the only one who can beat Trump!"
"Hillary's negatives are historic!"
"The DNC hates young voters!"

It's like you reach into a bag of scrabble tiles, but instead of tiles they're ready-to-go Sanders buzzphrases.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
14. I didn't write any of those. Try to make it through a discussion without lying.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:02 PM
May 2016

I believe in you, Tarc.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
29. Age discrimination? She had a serious medical condition and is a year younger than me.
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:52 AM
May 2016

She and he are not that different in age but health he is much better in health that she
which makes her really older.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
10. This is not the GE. One obvious difference: states Hillary has wins in will go republican in the GE
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:57 PM
May 2016

So comparing the two is meaningless.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
9. Look at the first four responses...
Tue May 10, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

...they don't care. She only needs to be a slightly better option than Trump (mission accomplished). I still won't vote for her. I can't after looking at her history (not the amped up scandals, just her votes, public stances on things, and the inevitable retractions that only come 10-15 years later). I'd rather not have my name associated with whatever she decides to do if she actually gets to the White House. No one can really know what that will be since she doesn't have solid stances on things anyway.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
11. Yeah, they have astonishingly low standards. It seems winning the election is for the sake of a win
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:00 PM
May 2016

So much for our hopey changey stuff, eh?

Demsrule86

(68,710 posts)
19. AS soon as Trump became the nominee
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

He became the reason we have to win...he is nuts and a bad guy...tyrant in the making.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
20. While I do agree with you, that doesn't fix the problem.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:08 PM
May 2016

Lots of folks don't agree with that assessment. What is being done by the HRC campaign to bring them around?

Simply waiting for them to get disgusted with Trump effectively puts Trump in the driver seat for the election. That is a really bad strategy.

Demsrule86

(68,710 posts)
28. Bernie has to suspend or conced and endorse
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:35 PM
May 2016

to end this..he keeps his delegates and I think Democrats would be much more amenable to allowing him full participation in the platform and the other stuff.

Demsrule86

(68,710 posts)
15. Ah but
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

Hillary will get the sheer terror vote...Terror at what someone as nuts as Trump might do. I think she will win handily.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
21. 19 replys and i only can see 3. the Hillarians are out in force again today. they seem to
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:11 PM
May 2016

get angrier and angrier for some strange reason. My guess, we just wont go away

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
22. Yeah, they're pretty bad. They all read from the same script too.
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

Or they're just aping each other so much that it's hard to tell.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
23. My guess is, we have all of them on ignore, they have none of us on ignore, at the behest of
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

David Brock and company. That's how they are standing by in force to try and trash everything we post. Talk about
wasting time.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
24. She needs to fix HERSELF...
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

No one even knows for sure what her message is, as it changes so often.

My sister and I voted for Claire McCaskill, and were thrilled when she won. We have a female Senator! Hurrah! Well, we got over the elation pretty quick when we saw how she voted.

And yet, the sister is voting for Hillary... to have a female president. I tell her that Hillary is McCaskill on steroids, but she won't listen. It's all a VRWC.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
25. The saddest part of this election...
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

...is how every criticism of her, warranted or not, has been swept into the VRWC. Mention her voting record? She's been attacked for 30 years and you're a hater. Mention her public statements? She's been attacked for 30 years and you're a hater. I'll be the first to admit that anything related to Benghazi, Bill's affairs, or whoever people think she killed isn't worthwhile for anything. Aside from that, there's plenty of other material that should raise eyebrows but for some reason doesn't.

At some point she has to be responsible for the decisions and statements she's made but apparently not according to her more ardent supporters.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. Problem with fixing her message is that she polls untrustworthy and dishonest and
Tue May 10, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

she's already flip flopped and "evolved" and misspoken quite a bit, which only serves to reinforce the negative impression.

Besides, by her own account, she canvassed for Nixon when she was 13. She's 68 now. That's 55 years in and around politics. No one is going to believe that she is going to change dramatically now.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
33. What is feeding this belief of the hard-core Sanders supporters is simply the 24 hr cable news cycle
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016

For cable news, survival is dependent on ratings. They talk about the Sanders campaign as if it still has a chance. (Because they don't want to destroy any semblance of being credible journalists, they always say "extremely small chance&quot This gives hope to the most loyal of the Sanders base and causes the kind of behavior we see here on DU. It also increases the rating of the cable networks.

If you watch the network news, particularly the national broadcasts, they don't make any such claims. They have barely covered Sanders lately, but when they do it is mostly just in passing...as if to say, oh yeah, he is still campaigning too.

Have a technical chance of winning is far different from a realistic chance.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
34. First time in my life of 65 years I'm seriously thinking about sitting out this election.
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

I'm witnessing the complete takeover of the Democratic Party by not insane republicans who are pissed off at the teabaggery in their party.

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