2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI would be astounded if Bernie somehow got the nomination.
I would not be even a little surprised if Hillary lost the GE.
The negatives about her are certainly overhyped to a huge degree, but they still exist. I don't see her campaign doing ANYTHING to address those. If anything, they seem to be doing the opposite by attacking voters who mention them.
Staunch democrats and staunch republicans more or less cancel each other out. The people backing Trump are pissed off, nd pissed off people are good at self-motivation and will eagerly blind themselves to their own team's negatives. Meanwhile, Hillary and the DNC have been busily beating down the motivation of young voters: not real democrats, want unicorns, sexist, bad at math, etc. Disheartened voters tend to not vote. What is the expected outcome of such abuse?
Hillary needs to fix her message in a big hurry.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Perhaps Bernie shouldve changed strategy.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Slight variation of
"Bernie's the only one who can beat Trump!"
"Hillary's negatives are historic!"
"The DNC hates young voters!"
It's like you reach into a bag of scrabble tiles, but instead of tiles they're ready-to-go Sanders buzzphrases.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)I believe in you, Tarc.
Demsrule86
(68,710 posts)SSDD
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Demsrule86
(68,710 posts)He is too old to run in eight years.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)She and he are not that different in age but health he is much better in health that she
which makes her really older.
Demsrule86
(68,710 posts)no way he ever gets elected at 81
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)So comparing the two is meaningless.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)beginning!
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)I think not!
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...they don't care. She only needs to be a slightly better option than Trump (mission accomplished). I still won't vote for her. I can't after looking at her history (not the amped up scandals, just her votes, public stances on things, and the inevitable retractions that only come 10-15 years later). I'd rather not have my name associated with whatever she decides to do if she actually gets to the White House. No one can really know what that will be since she doesn't have solid stances on things anyway.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)So much for our hopey changey stuff, eh?
Demsrule86
(68,710 posts)He became the reason we have to win...he is nuts and a bad guy...tyrant in the making.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Lots of folks don't agree with that assessment. What is being done by the HRC campaign to bring them around?
Simply waiting for them to get disgusted with Trump effectively puts Trump in the driver seat for the election. That is a really bad strategy.
Demsrule86
(68,710 posts)to end this..he keeps his delegates and I think Democrats would be much more amenable to allowing him full participation in the platform and the other stuff.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Demsrule86
(68,710 posts)Hillary will get the sheer terror vote...Terror at what someone as nuts as Trump might do. I think she will win handily.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)get angrier and angrier for some strange reason. My guess, we just wont go away
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Or they're just aping each other so much that it's hard to tell.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)David Brock and company. That's how they are standing by in force to try and trash everything we post. Talk about
wasting time.
Ino
(3,366 posts)No one even knows for sure what her message is, as it changes so often.
My sister and I voted for Claire McCaskill, and were thrilled when she won. We have a female Senator! Hurrah! Well, we got over the elation pretty quick when we saw how she voted.
And yet, the sister is voting for Hillary... to have a female president. I tell her that Hillary is McCaskill on steroids, but she won't listen. It's all a VRWC.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...is how every criticism of her, warranted or not, has been swept into the VRWC. Mention her voting record? She's been attacked for 30 years and you're a hater. Mention her public statements? She's been attacked for 30 years and you're a hater. I'll be the first to admit that anything related to Benghazi, Bill's affairs, or whoever people think she killed isn't worthwhile for anything. Aside from that, there's plenty of other material that should raise eyebrows but for some reason doesn't.
At some point she has to be responsible for the decisions and statements she's made but apparently not according to her more ardent supporters.
merrily
(45,251 posts)she's already flip flopped and "evolved" and misspoken quite a bit, which only serves to reinforce the negative impression.
Besides, by her own account, she canvassed for Nixon when she was 13. She's 68 now. That's 55 years in and around politics. No one is going to believe that she is going to change dramatically now.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)For cable news, survival is dependent on ratings. They talk about the Sanders campaign as if it still has a chance. (Because they don't want to destroy any semblance of being credible journalists, they always say "extremely small chance" This gives hope to the most loyal of the Sanders base and causes the kind of behavior we see here on DU. It also increases the rating of the cable networks.
If you watch the network news, particularly the national broadcasts, they don't make any such claims. They have barely covered Sanders lately, but when they do it is mostly just in passing...as if to say, oh yeah, he is still campaigning too.
Have a technical chance of winning is far different from a realistic chance.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)I'm witnessing the complete takeover of the Democratic Party by not insane republicans who are pissed off at the teabaggery in their party.