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kaleckim

(651 posts)
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:24 AM May 2016

Think Tank Walks Back Inaccurate Bernie Bash



The Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center did a one sided analysis/hit piece on Sanders' economic proposals, which only estimated the potential tax increases. They didn't factor in the benefits of the programs that the taxes would fund, which the Sanders campaign pointed out. They did this one-sided analysis in the heat of the primary and now, when Sanders has far less of a chance at winning, they re-do the analysis and find out that most would see a major net benefit from Sanders' policies (with the poorest benefiting the most), proving that his campaign's critiques were correct.

Here's the article that TYT was talking about:

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/279201-study-most-would-see-net-benefits-from-sanderss-proposals

"Study: Most would see net benefits from Sanders's proposals"

...TPC found that the average tax burden would increase by about $9,000 in 2017 but the average amount of benefits would increase by more than $13,000. As a result, households would on average receive a net income gain of almost $4,300 under Sanders’s proposals, TPC said.

Households in the bottom fifth of income would on average receive a net gain of more than $10,000, and those in the middle fifth of income would have an average gain of about $8,500. Those in the top 5 percent of income would see a net loss of about $111,000, TPC said.
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Think Tank Walks Back Inaccurate Bernie Bash (Original Post) kaleckim May 2016 OP
That's gonna make some DUers cry. RobertEarl May 2016 #1
They will never even see it. They are busy measuring drapes. nt silvershadow May 2016 #2
And sweeping stuff under the rug RobertEarl May 2016 #5
With a street-sweeper. nt silvershadow May 2016 #7
That's going to be one heckuva bumpy rug Art_from_Ark May 2016 #37
There is also a bus out back with some poor souls libdem4life May 2016 #41
Only endless war and ignored climate change are "realistic!" villager May 2016 #3
What does "walk back" mean, they should be eating their words uponit7771 May 2016 #4
Beltway speak kaleckim May 2016 #6
It means you guys fell for it hook, line, and sinker AgingAmerican May 2016 #8
No one falls for lies, dishonest people tell them. Sanders is still full of shit, doesn't mean peopl uponit7771 May 2016 #9
Her fans will have a sad AgingAmerican May 2016 #11
?! kaleckim May 2016 #12
Cognitive dissonance AgingAmerican May 2016 #14
edited ... doesn't mean people SHOULD lie about him. I don't support anyone lying about none of the uponit7771 May 2016 #17
Here is one for ya AgingAmerican May 2016 #16
See also "Regarding the '18 trillion in debt' attack on Sanders' proposals" pat_k May 2016 #10
Thanks kaleckim May 2016 #13
The Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center's "research analysis" reminds me this 99th_Monkey May 2016 #15
The media is the most integral part of propaganda delivery. nt Snotcicles May 2016 #31
The media exists now as a money-making machine for the elites. Dark n Stormy Knight May 2016 #38
It is also how you maintain the reigns of power. nt Snotcicles May 2016 #39
Which in turn makes more money for the elites. Dark n Stormy Knight May 2016 #40
True dat. n/t 99th_Monkey May 2016 #42
K&R Very Important..! Thank You for sharing! Thank You Cenk, TYT! DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #18
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc May 2016 #20
WaPo is now a Jeff Bezos rag. senz May 2016 #23
That last figure of $111,000 can't be correct. Maybe the actual number is $11,000 or so. People who diane in sf May 2016 #21
It may be skewed by the top 1% and the top .1% TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #26
I noticed early on that Bernie is careful, accurate, thorough, and honest. senz May 2016 #22
Yeah I thought that was overlooked Eko May 2016 #24
K&R- they were just "Brocking the record" with such horrible lies... myrna minx May 2016 #25
Not much thinking in that think tank. lagomorph777 May 2016 #27
Credibility Shmedibity. Something tells me it's not their major concern. nt Snotcicles May 2016 #30
Their thinking is in the tank. Is that what think tank means? pdsimdars May 2016 #33
Recommend! KoKo May 2016 #28
They get more mileage out of lies and horseshit than they lose when their forced to recant. Snotcicles May 2016 #29
Think tank, "What were we thinking?" pdsimdars May 2016 #32
K & R AzDar May 2016 #34
I've only seen the "$18T" lie on FB by 1. Trump backers and 2. Clinton backers MisterP May 2016 #35
Every correction should be twice the publicity by offender. glinda May 2016 #36
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
1. That's gonna make some DUers cry.
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:27 AM
May 2016

Some, the Bernie folks, will cry tears of joy.

The H camp tears of sadness that Bernie is the best. Weird, yes, but they now know Bernie is the best!

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
3. Only endless war and ignored climate change are "realistic!"
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:30 AM
May 2016

Ask anyone in the Beltway! The rest is just.... caramel ponies!

kaleckim

(651 posts)
6. Beltway speak
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:34 AM
May 2016

for, we manipulated reality (which they did, their error in logic was obvious) and now are working to maintain our reputation. They will argue that they made a "small" error and corrected it, because they are such an upstanding organization.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
9. No one falls for lies, dishonest people tell them. Sanders is still full of shit, doesn't mean peopl
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:40 AM
May 2016

... SHOULD* lie about him

edited

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
11. Her fans will have a sad
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:45 AM
May 2016

All the wasted OPs on this subject.

Cognitive dissonance will make their heads spin.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
12. ?!
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:46 AM
May 2016

No one falls for lies...need I bother to give examples? I cannot believe a human typed that.

"doesn't mean people lie about him"

Yes, but there is the actual video and article that started this thread though, which talks about lies people told about his policies. Look up, watch, read. I made it easy for you. It's okay to ingest information that doesn't just affirm your beliefs. Have faith that it all can withstand reality.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
17. edited ... doesn't mean people SHOULD lie about him. I don't support anyone lying about none of the
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:01 AM
May 2016

... candidates even Trump, they have enough truth to bash them on.

kaleckim

(651 posts)
13. Thanks
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:48 AM
May 2016

Nakedcapitalism put out a number of really good articles on the Friedman analysis, and the horrible ways that "liberal" economists like Krugman acted in response to the argument. Krugman's really shamed himself this election cycle.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
15. The Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center's "research analysis" reminds me this
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:52 AM
May 2016

it's like only "studying" 1/2 of the Universe, as in taking note that it "costs" a person
$1 for a benefit/value there's no record of them ever actually receiving, even though they
do receive it, because that info is deliberately omitted.

What's weird is that media actually reports this shit, as if it has some "value" in terms
of better understanding WTF is really going on.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
38. The media exists now as a money-making machine for the elites.
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

Telling the lies of the corporatists is most profitable for them.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
40. Which in turn makes more money for the elites.
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:48 PM
May 2016

And more money = more power. Endless cycle.

Yet, for a time we beat back the robber barons. We need to figure out how and do that again. And for good.

Response to kaleckim (Original post)

diane in sf

(3,919 posts)
21. That last figure of $111,000 can't be correct. Maybe the actual number is $11,000 or so. People who
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:18 AM
May 2016

are in the top 5% make about $250,000 a year at the bottom end.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,219 posts)
26. It may be skewed by the top 1% and the top .1%
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:20 AM
May 2016

The top one tenth of 1% have incomes over $1.7 Million. Just removing the Social Security cap on income over $250K would raise their tax burden by almost $100K.

Actually, the threshold for the top 5% is only $166K and the funny thing is I bet most don't consider themselves "rich".

That being said, I agree they may have accidentally on purpose wrote $111K rather than $11K, or they may have meant the top 1%, not 5%.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
22. I noticed early on that Bernie is careful, accurate, thorough, and honest.
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:24 AM
May 2016

If he makes a claim, he can back it up. His proposals are always well thought-out and funded. He never pulls factoids out of his butt. Read the "Issues" section, including the "how he pays for it" part, on his website.

So when I hear entities like Brookings, and Hill fans on GD-P, call him a liar or a seller of unicorns, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are liars, they just make it up as they go along and, like their candidate, don't care if what they're saying is true or not. They just want to do damage. Period.

What's amazing is that anyone could ever believe them on anything.

Eko

(7,364 posts)
24. Yeah I thought that was overlooked
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:28 AM
May 2016

a bit too much. While it may be unsustainable per the article in the long run I think we should explore this option more, shoot, the amount we fund the military is unsustainable in the long run. I feel fairly confident we can figure this out.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
25. K&R- they were just "Brocking the record" with such horrible lies...
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:47 AM
May 2016

If she was such a formidable candidate, all of these these lies against Sanders would be unnecessary.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
27. Not much thinking in that think tank.
Wed May 11, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

Anybody knows that a "Cost Analysis" is not a thing. The real thing is a "Cost/Benefit Analysis." They seriously discredited themselves with this amateurish hit piece.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
29. They get more mileage out of lies and horseshit than they lose when their forced to recant.
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

If the penalty were equal to the damage caused, these calculated errors would cease.

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