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So, you want the SDs to go against the will of the voters based on polls six months out? (Original Post) Yavin4 May 2016 OP
Yep. Gomez163 May 2016 #1
LOL....n/t asuhornets May 2016 #3
We don't elect Preisdents based on polls, but votes and Hillary has the most.. asuhornets May 2016 #2
Bernie supporters were trashing superdelegates for months Cali_Democrat May 2016 #4
I haven't changed my position on Super Delegates. Eric J in MN May 2016 #9
Yet, some SDs are refusing to do that, if their state went for Bernie. merrily May 2016 #5
Like Washingon. nm floriduck May 2016 #11
My head is spinning from all the flip flopping about SDs coming from some Sanders supporters. LonePirate May 2016 #6
Polls will not be six months out when the SDs have to finalize their choice in late July. (n/t) thesquanderer May 2016 #7
Super Delegates should be abolished. Eric J in MN May 2016 #8
If the Democratic Party can beat Trump more easily with Bernie, then by all means. floriduck May 2016 #10
Based on what evidence? Yavin4 May 2016 #12
I'm only asking if and when the convention data supports it. floriduck May 2016 #13
The only relevant data is the number of delegates Yavin4 May 2016 #14
Okay. If Bernie gets more pledged delegates by convention time, he deserves the super-Ds, right. floriduck May 2016 #15
Yes, but he wont get it. Yavin4 May 2016 #17
I will say this one more time. Demsrule86 May 2016 #21
then explain how 14 of 17 SD's are going for Clinton in a state that voted 62% to 38% for Bernie? azurnoir May 2016 #16
They're not bound by how their states vote Yavin4 May 2016 #18
the premise of your op was folks wanting the SD's to go against the will of people azurnoir May 2016 #19
There's also this: pat_k May 2016 #20
He is advocating stealing an election Demsrule86 May 2016 #22
Talk to the DNC about it. That's the purpose of superdelegates -- pat_k May 2016 #23
I don't agree Demsrule86 May 2016 #24
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
4. Bernie supporters were trashing superdelegates for months
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

Now they love them and they want the superdelegates to save Bernie from the will of the voters.

Truly pathetic.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
9. I haven't changed my position on Super Delegates.
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

I've always said they should vote with the plurality of pledged delegates.

MoveOn.org, which endorsed Bernie Sanders, has also been consistent in that position.

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
6. My head is spinning from all the flip flopping about SDs coming from some Sanders supporters.
Wed May 11, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

One day they are evil and undemocratic. The next day they are principled saviors of our system.

This flip flopping might be humorous were it not such a pathetic act of desperation.

IMO, SDs need to be abolished and that's what we should be striving to achieve.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
8. Super Delegates should be abolished.
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:08 PM
May 2016

Until they are, they should vote with the plurality of pledged delegates.

This is for democracy.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
10. If the Democratic Party can beat Trump more easily with Bernie, then by all means.
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

Another way to look at it is, Should the super-Ds support the weaker candidate and increase their risk in losing to Trump?

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
12. Based on what evidence?
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:35 PM
May 2016

There's no evidence of that. Polling data at this stage in the presidential contest are highly unreliable.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
14. The only relevant data is the number of delegates
Wed May 11, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016

Whomever has the most delegates wins the nomination. The Supers are there to ensure that a totally unfit for office candidate does not get the nomination (See Trump).

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
15. Okay. If Bernie gets more pledged delegates by convention time, he deserves the super-Ds, right.
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

I'm not saying he will or won't. I'm just posing the possibility, as remote as it might appear now.

Are we in agreement?

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
21. I will say this one more time.
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:42 PM
May 2016

You have to go with the candidate that wins the most delegates period. You overturn the will of the voters. Trump wins. In that situation even I could not vote for Sanders. You can't steal an election. I don't think Sanders can win anyway nor do I think the supers are stupid enough to give the nomination to the losing candidate based on questionable polls...but just saying.. . I am a practical voter but not one who votes for someone who takes what he can't earn.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. then explain how 14 of 17 SD's are going for Clinton in a state that voted 62% to 38% for Bernie?
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

they are hardly representing the will of the voters in their states

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10594756

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. the premise of your op was folks wanting the SD's to go against the will of people
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:12 PM
May 2016

when in fact it is the reverse - and it would seem you have no problem with that ?

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
20. There's also this:
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

Note that the "anamoly" is Gore (who did in fact actually win)

?1446145459

The outcome of the upcoming elections will be telling too. Bernie wins them all and the superdelegates need to take a second look.

I don't like having superdelegates at all, but we have them. They were added because the party had "buyers remorse" with Carter. Their PURPOSE is to overrule pledged outcome if they believe a losing candidate won the pledged delegate totals. That's their job. Bernie is just staying in to let the remaining states vote, and then give the superdelegates a chance to do their job.

He's completely realistic about it:

"I think it is probably the case that the candidate who has the most pledged delegates is going to be the candidate, but there are other factors. And the other factors will be the strength of each of us in taking on the Republican candidate...."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511899803

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
22. He is advocating stealing an election
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:44 PM
May 2016

He is no better than Bush if he means that. Tell me again how 'ethical' and what a 'good' man Bernie is...ha.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
23. Talk to the DNC about it. That's the purpose of superdelegates --
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:55 PM
May 2016

to intervene when they decide the pledged delegate winner is too weak.

I don't think there should be superdelegates at all. But the fact is, the Democratic Party has them. And they added them for a purpose. As long as they are there, calling on them to do their job is not "stealing an election."

You can advocate to get rid of superdelegates all together. Or lobby the DNC in your state to follow Maine's example. But until that happens, the nominating process is what it is.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
24. I don't agree
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:10 PM
May 2016

First of all, early polls indicate nothing. The will of the voter must be respected. I would not vote for Bernie if he stole the election. And I am die hard. I know he can't win a general anyway. So we would be screwed regardless.

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