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MBS

(9,688 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:19 AM May 2016

Bernie Sanders, zombie candidate

from someone who knows- David Wade, who served as a key member of John Kerry's 2004 campaign, and also worked on the 2008 Obama campaign.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/2016-primary-campaign-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-2004-lessons-kerry-dean-edwards-gephardt-213884


. . . right now, Sanders’ campaign is the walking dead: a zombie. And having worked for John Kerry during the slugfest of the 2004 primaries, I’ve seen up close how much damage this sort of prolonged "zombie" candidacy can inflict on the eventual nominee—and what’s ultimately at stake for the country.
I don’t claim that the dragged-out primary made the difference in November 2004; the race came down to the wire, and big forces—including post-9/11 anxiety and “Swift Boat” smears—loomed large. But in presidential campaigns, the one resource that’s never renewable is time. Zombie candidates can’t win the nomination, but they squander vast amounts of time and slowly chip away at the prohibitive front-runner. . . It’s an article of faith in politics that competitive primaries create stronger nominees, and I witnessed this firsthand as well. Kerry grew immensely as a candidate in the course of being tested by rivals from Dick Gephardt to Howard Dean; ditto for Barack Obama in 2008. Healthy competition is a good thing. But continuing to contest a primary after your path to victory disappears is not healthy; it actively hinders your would-be partisan ally.
Before spring began in 2004, it was clear that the process had produced a nominee. But deep into primary season, after a winning streak that knocked out most of our opponents, the campaigns of Dean, Wesley Clark and John Edwards lingered on. Even as they were on life support, their organizations took needlessly hard shots at Kerry at the same time Republicans were inundating the presumptive Democratic nominee with a daily barrage of attacks.By February 15, 2004, 16 statewide caucuses and primaries had completed, and Edwards had carried only his birth state, South Carolina. That evening, Edwards used a debate in Wisconsin to hammer Kerry on trade and spending. When Kerry, who had won 14 of the first 16 contests, started to talk about taking on President George W. Bush in the general election, Edwards pounced. “Not so fast, John Kerry,” he said. “We got a whole group of primaries coming up, and I, for one, intend to fight.” Just north of one week later, Bush gleefully made his first public speech attacking Kerry and kicked off the general election with biting television ads—all while our campaign was hunkered down fighting in Super Tuesday states that we knew wouldn’t be competitive in the general election. On Super Tuesday, we won nine of the 10 states—and spent plenty of money to do it. But that’s what you have to do when doomed primary opponents don’t accept reality. All the while, the Bush campaign publicized the Democratic attacks on Kerry; they were overjoyed to receive a liberal version of in-kind contributions to the Republican National Committee.
There was something surreal about knowing that doomed campaigns of fellow Democrats were aggressively peddling opposition research, and that candidates whose fates had been sealed were still publicly labeling their party’s soon-to-be nominee as “the handmaiden of special interests.” We were forced to respond. We were forced to spend limited money on the airwaves, buying time to run ads that would be long forgotten by November—all while an incumbent Republican president stockpiled resources. We were less than four years removed from watching Ralph Nader and disaffected liberals throw an election to Bush, yet these flailing campaigns seemed incapable of resisting the danger of repeating that mistake by damaging their own standard-bearer. Political campaigns can do many things, but they cannot recover lost time.The friendly-fire attacks compounded the difficulty of responding effectively to the parallel attacks made by Republicans. . . .
In 2004, continued competition after the match was essentially over didn’t improve our campaign or candidate. It hurt the Democratic Party. Kerry would’ve benefited from a decent interval to recharge his batteries, reset for the fall, and focus the campaign entirely on the Republican attack machine.Today, with Donald Trump all but guaranteed to be the Republican nominee, the general election electorate is beginning to tune in. At a time when voters could be comparing Trump and Secretary Clinton, the presumptive nominees, they’re instead seeing Clinton take shrapnel not just from the Republicans, but from Sanders.
Sanders has a stake in this. I hope he sees it. Sanders needs to think long and hard about the big cost of criticizing the now-prohibitive Democratic front-runner. He didn’t set out to become Trump’s best ghostwriter for the general election, but that is the role continued attacks on Clinton risk earning him.. ..
Without math or momentum on his side, isn’t it better for Sanders to finish the campaign as a happy warrior and build a long-term movement for campaign finance reform? Or would he rather be remembered for damaging the Democratic standard-bearer when we have to crush Trump and win back the Senate in November? . .
Sanders has already changed the political conversation in 2016. . . . .If he is serious about creating lasting political change—and I believe he is—he should start a national movement to drive money out of politics. Sanders could harness his enormous grass-roots fundraising network and the cash it has stockpiled—and can replenish repeatedly—to elect candidates from the White House to the Congress to the state and local levels who are committed to repealing Citizens United.
He could target Senate Republicans in states like New Hampshire, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania . . He could hold those new senators accountable and enlist them in his quest to rid big money from the political system. He could help Hillary Clinton win big and sweep in a Democratic majority in the Senate. He could become a powerful committee chairman. He could return to the next Senate as one of its most influential players.And for an Independent socialist from Vermont who started this campaign as an asterisk, that’s a political revolution in itself.

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Bernie Sanders, zombie candidate (Original Post) MBS May 2016 OP
Oh, look... Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #1
Hillary Clinton: desperate candidate. Merryland May 2016 #2
Hillary Clinton: Potemkin candidate GreatGazoo May 2016 #28
Love articles like these, they just add fuel to the bern that I'm feeling. Joob May 2016 #3
Campaigning... ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #5
Why bother us with this crap. Hare Krishna May 2016 #4
Only in fairy tales, lol! MoonRiver May 2016 #6
So you agree that this article is a fairy tale then? Hare Krishna May 2016 #8
Talking about the tortoise and hare fairy tale, as if you didn't know! MoonRiver May 2016 #9
There's a function called ignore, I'm going to use it to fully ignore MBS.. CentralCoaster May 2016 #12
The only objection I can see is it doesn't allow Clinton to change yet again Armstead May 2016 #7
DU rec...nt SidDithers May 2016 #10
This is my new favorite logo...found it in Google images! Surya Gayatri May 2016 #13
Hehe... SidDithers May 2016 #15
Wonder what you will label Hill come November. peace13 May 2016 #18
That's MADAME President. Please, protocol is important. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #19
I prefer this Armstead May 2016 #25
Willie Nelson - The Party's Over DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #11
Losing hurts. Let him get it out of his system. He will fall in line behind Clinton. nt LexVegas May 2016 #14
You're right. MBS May 2016 #16
But most of his supporters won't. Fawke Em May 2016 #23
Ok. LexVegas May 2016 #24
Hillary is a grown person. If she can't take this she's the wrong person for the job. peace13 May 2016 #17
I thought this was going to be like how Secretary Clinton is the UFO candidate... DookDook May 2016 #20
Wonderful. So when/if Clinton blows it, it's all Sanders fault. Smarmie Doofus May 2016 #21
It's OK. Zombies are cool. Fawke Em May 2016 #22
Bernie has been relegated to just liking to hear himself talk and nothing more tonyt53 May 2016 #26
".If he is serious about creating lasting political change..." lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #27
Zombie Killer?? hollowdweller May 2016 #29

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
28. Hillary Clinton: Potemkin candidate
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:05 AM
May 2016

Millions from SuperPACs and wall street but still losing everywhere outside of the MSM bubble.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
3. Love articles like these, they just add fuel to the bern that I'm feeling.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

Keep up the good work!

 

Hare Krishna

(58 posts)
4. Why bother us with this crap.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

Go bother Trump and his supporters with crap if you think Clinton is the candidate. The tortoise will eventually win.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
12. There's a function called ignore, I'm going to use it to fully ignore MBS..
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

I suggest you do too, then these threads will get no attention.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
7. The only objection I can see is it doesn't allow Clinton to change yet again
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:28 AM
May 2016

She can certainly go after Trump aggressively already.

But she and the Democratic Establishment are just itching to shed the need to seem progressive and "pivot" to the right.

She's itching to get back to the politics of personal destruction against Trump, while presenting "moderate' conservative positions, with some "socially liberal" flavoring....And close the door such pesky things as Corporate Power, Wall St. Corruption and Concentration of Wealth, Unfair Trade Policies and Universal Health Care.





MBS

(9,688 posts)
16. You're right.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:59 AM
May 2016

But for the sake of the Democratic party's chances in November, I hope he does so soon.
And that he takes Wade's advice to work not only to channel his efforts into a long-term national movement, but also to help with the 2016 down-ballot races, too. We need to take back Congress!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
23. But most of his supporters won't.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

Something y'all need to face up to.

Many are either young and/or liberal Independents who couldn't care less about "The Party" and will see no need to prop up a corporate-owned war hawk who is under an FBI investigation in the Fall.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
17. Hillary is a grown person. If she can't take this she's the wrong person for the job.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

What...no one told her it wouldn't be easy? It is insulting to all women when she is not treated like an equal candidate. Quit babying her.....no offense to babies!

DookDook

(166 posts)
20. I thought this was going to be like how Secretary Clinton is the UFO candidate...
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

I know that one of the things that HRC is saying is that she'll be willing to release as much information about Area 51 as she is allowed.

I wish I was making all of this up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-shostak/will-hillary-clinton-unma_b_9573640.html

So I thought from the title of the thread that Senator Sanders was going to be releasing all the information he has on Zombies or our Zombie prep plans or something. Maybe something about Golems, I know, not zombies, but still constructs that are reanimated by magic...

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
21. Wonderful. So when/if Clinton blows it, it's all Sanders fault.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

Unassailable circular logic.

And, added bonus: it provides the DEM establishment for a rationale for hanging on to control of a party, the membership of which has passed it by.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
27. ".If he is serious about creating lasting political change..."
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:58 AM
May 2016

... then he needs to take his supporters to the convention to press for meaningful change in how we elect presidents, starting with getting rid of superdelegates.

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