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is truthfulness, accountability and transparency a favorable trait in a Democratic candidate? (Original Post) reddread May 2016 OP
For me, yes. Kip Humphrey May 2016 #1
get your own thread Trump supporter! reddread May 2016 #3
Yes Rass May 2016 #2
Yes, Clinton the most honest and Sanders refuses to show tax filings! seabeyond May 2016 #4
I have been trying to warn people about Sanders deception reddread May 2016 #7
Or merely a hypocrite hiding something. seabeyond May 2016 #9
those are in no short supply reddread May 2016 #10
It's a calculated risk on his part. There's probably a bombshell in there ... NurseJackie May 2016 #21
Well, since Sanders can do no wrong, and does not get called out, since he does not have to follow seabeyond May 2016 #24
if only he had supported the IWR reddread May 2016 #26
Without regard to the election campaign 1939 May 2016 #29
For me, it's more than favorable, it's mandatory n/t arcane1 May 2016 #5
How great would it be if all these twitter-like threads were consolidated into one? Tarc May 2016 #6
Yes, yes., no. HassleCat May 2016 #8
what about Saudi contributions to the Clinton Foundation amidst weapons deals? reddread May 2016 #11
We know about that, but it does no good. HassleCat May 2016 #12
the court of public opinion convicts on nearly nothing reddread May 2016 #13
Without the former, everything else is irrelevant. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #14
thats what I thought reddread May 2016 #15
I've lost all respect for the "her transcripts are none of your business!" folks. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #16
oh now she's been fully vetted! reddread May 2016 #38
Yes, so the memes spreading lies and lack of tax returns is hurting SBS. bettyellen May 2016 #17
against Hillary Clinton? reddread May 2016 #19
Nope. It's the similiarity between BS and Trump with their failure to tell the truth synergie May 2016 #22
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha reddread May 2016 #23
Go Bernie liberal from boston May 2016 #33
Have they ever been? Why start now? BillZBubb May 2016 #18
Why is this something you would even question? synergie May 2016 #20
pesky gag reflex reddread May 2016 #25
Sorry, in English? synergie May 2016 #34
Bullshit. 99Forever May 2016 #32
Yes, you guys do seem to enjoy that. But my post contained none. synergie May 2016 #35
Cognitive dissonance isn't "facts." 99Forever May 2016 #37
One of them. guillaumeb May 2016 #27
In Bernie yes. bkkyosemite May 2016 #28
Yes, Bernie does have the favorable traits. nt silvershadow May 2016 #30
They are absolutely required. 99Forever May 2016 #31
Positive, but neither necessary nor sufficient (nt) Recursion May 2016 #36

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. It's a calculated risk on his part. There's probably a bombshell in there ...
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

... that would cause MORE damage than any damage it does by NOT releasing them. He and his current wife, Jane, have chosen between the least painful of two unpleasant options. Now they're just waiting for everyone to lose interest and hope that it blows over.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. Well, since Sanders can do no wrong, and does not get called out, since he does not have to follow
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

rules, I would suggest there is not much of a risk of not providing them. I agree, there is something in them that is probably beyond such a low tax rate.

1939

(1,683 posts)
29. Without regard to the election campaign
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:02 PM
May 2016

I would predict that a Hillary Clinton presidential administration would exhibit an amount of paranoia about leaks and bad publicity that would give Nixon a run for the money.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
6. How great would it be if all these twitter-like threads were consolidated into one?
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

GDP would be less spammed, and you point, whatever it may be, would be more focused.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
8. Yes, yes., no.
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:49 PM
May 2016

I don't go for this "transparency" business if it means revealing everything about personal finances, health and medical history, etc.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
11. what about Saudi contributions to the Clinton Foundation amidst weapons deals?
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:00 PM
May 2016

would that be too much transparency?
how about when civilians die as a direct result?
a mistake?

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
12. We know about that, but it does no good.
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:03 PM
May 2016

We cannot "prove" one thing had to do with another thing. Just as we will never "prove" a case of lung cancer was caused by smoking cigarettes.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
14. Without the former, everything else is irrelevant.
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

If you can't trust the promises, why listen to them?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
16. I've lost all respect for the "her transcripts are none of your business!" folks.
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

If you're okay with the idea that none of what she says is material in your decision to support her, all that's left is what you can see; "Hey! She's a woman! Let's vote for her!"

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
22. Nope. It's the similiarity between BS and Trump with their failure to tell the truth
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:39 PM
May 2016

be accountable for what they said and have done, and their failure to release that which has been par for the course for all presidential candidates.

The private speech transcripts is the "long form birth certificate" super special rule applied to only one candidate ever in history, and some fringe folks will glom onto this and concoct various paranoid delusions, but those who have some idea of how time works (paid speeches as a private citizen in 2013, which is not even remotely unusual somehow affected something years before, but no one can come up with a single example of any thing ever happening?)


BS's tax record issues along with the lies he and Jane have told on the matter are identical to Trump, and we're all wondering what they're both hiding and why they're so dishonest about it.

Both men say stuff, and neither can answer HOW they plan on doing things, and they're hiding things about their finances, and their judgment seems to be quite poor on a lot of things.

Trump gave paid speeches too, and we have no idea WHAT Bernie and Jane did, since they refuse to do what Hillary and Bill did and actually be transparent.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
20. Why is this something you would even question?
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

Of course these traits are favorable and EXPECTED in a Democratic candidate, it's why there is so much overwhelming support for the front runner.

She's the one rated as most truthful by the fact checkers, she's the only one being transparent and the only one actually asking people to hold her accountable, which is why she's running on a platform of achievable goals with solid plans of how the get there, that make sense and are actually feasible.

The other guy is not so truthful about his own record, as he holds her to task for things HE voted for that she was not empowered to vote for, while exaggerating his own participation in the things that she's on record as actually doing.

He also refuses to honor his agreements or his own promises. He signed a deal to help raise funds for down ballot Dems with the DNC and not only did he fail to keep his word, he tells some ridiculous lies about what the candidate doing what she's said she would.

His campaign stole data, was found to be the only one who did shady things, but he accused HER and the DNC of somehow being guilty for what his staffers did, and lied outright about what they've been found to be guilty of, even filing a bogus lawsuit over the matter that they dropped as they distorted the evidence found out by the investigation of their own culpability.


He won't ever admit that he made a mistake, no matter how glaringly those errors of judgment were, there is literally no accountability or truthfulness as he lies about who endorsed him, prompting lawsuits against him.

As to transparency and again that truthfulness. He lied about having released his tax records, which he did not, he and Jane lied about releasing this years records by saying dumb things about Turbo Tax, and released a summary which was filled with errors, and wasn't the full story, of a single year, and not the one they said it would be. They also filed an extension til AFTER the last primary so they could be as opaque as possible.

These traits are important, and it's why HRC is winning and it's why Bernie has lost, he's on par with Donald with the transparency and the lack of truthfulness about releasing his tax records, which has been expected for presidential candidates for decades.

So, one wonders why these things don't matter to those who believe lies about the Democratic frontrunner. and ignore the simple fact that there is only one person running who has been truthful, has held herself accountable for her past decisions, and has been transparent.

What's with the hypocrisy, for those who claim these things are important, but are pro-Bernie anyway?

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
35. Yes, you guys do seem to enjoy that. But my post contained none.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:41 AM
May 2016

Facts are facts, even when you don't like them.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
37. Cognitive dissonance isn't "facts."
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:25 AM
May 2016

No matter how much you delude yourself.

Frankly, I care fuckall if that's what you prefer.

Bye bye.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. One of them.
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:59 PM
May 2016

But many US voters obviously prefer slogans and the rich prefer someone that they can trust.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
31. They are absolutely required.
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

I refuse to vote for any candidate that doesn't live these values, each and every day.

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