Oregon should be a terrific win for Bernie.

Can't wait.

Bernie is gaining steam. No one has given up, that's for sure. If anything, we've dug in our heels even further.

That energy will grow exponentially, just in time for California.

Go Bernie!!

but if he doesn't it should not be very difficulty to ask them to take a few minutes out on election day to vote against drumpf fascism.

The primary is now tainted with GOP votes in order to screw with the nomination. Bernie can't win but the supers will certainly take into account the fact that the GOP is voting for him to distort the numbers....and they won't flip.

If you want to complain about the "primary (being) tainted with GOP votes", take a look at all of those open primaries in heavily Republican Southern states that Hillary won.

These are not new voters but the GOP...they can vote for Bernie now per Trumps orders.

I think this is an exception.



Give up on the Operation Chaos crap already. It's idiotic.

Nobody beyond the world of David Brock believes that.

Sounds like a baloney talking point that will make its way into the Internet and fizzle to dust because it's untrue and silly.

Untrue and silly...My favorite flavor of Brocking Point.

Desperation does not reflect well on you.
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Newsflash: everyone who can tolerate Clinton is already a democrat.

voted early, has been registered for too many years for polite society ears to hear. Or has been bought off.
Are you willing to take Clinton to the grave with you, or are you adamant about democratic principles?

The polls show Trump has an easier time beating Hillary, and Sanders beats Trump by much wider margins.

So a thinking Republican with their candidate already chosen would have incentive to change registration to Democrat to help select the weakest candidate by voting for Hillary.
It would be stupid for a Republican to change to Democrat and then vote for the stronger opponent.
Yes?

But I still hope the vote counting proess is impartially supervised. I don't trust this DNC (and the state party has a lot of staunch DNC in "superdelegate-level" positions...people like Wyden, Gov. Brown, etc).

Especially the Trump votes...so helpful to Bernie...in the primary...course not in the general...operation chaos.

leaning among them are planning to vote Trump in November and just want a second chance to vote against HRC and genuine Democrats NOW?

"Operation Chaos" on steroids

We have evidence of this as well... some of them are (Most) DEMOCRATS

in March on all the anti-HRC applause lines Bernie has fed to Trump distorting her renounced 2002 IWR vote, misunderstanding the futility of unilateral Democratic disarmament on campaign finance, etc.,, etc.

and I personally know in the flesh a few. So you can try that with fools and idiots.

of the proportion of WV Sanders voters who said they'd vote Trump in the GE = very few. But you knew that before you tried to mislead.

sorry.

I know you guys are having an issue understanding how this could actually be an issue outside WV... and quite frankly I really don't care.

If the campaign though is in the same group think mentality... well that is their problem, but it could be more serious

This should tell you more than anything else, where the support really is.



And, BTW, Bernie regularly got 20-30% of the Republican vote in Vermont. They trusted him. One more thing Hillary cannot claim.

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tells me the GOP is hard at work for their guy...Bernie.

so did Pres. Obama ...only he had something else too..delegates.

derp

Why else would you change your registration? The GOP helping their guy Bernie. These last primaries will be meaningless.

An excellent reason for changing party affiliation is that for such voters there is FINALLY a candidate who represents what the party SHOULD represent (and has represented in the past).

If I were registered in a state that required party registration, but allowed voting by independents in Democratic primaries, I would choose to be unaffiliated even though I have voted Democratic since the 1970s. As it is, I don't have to declare a party affiliation in my state, a state that was, incidentally, won by your candidate.

a concept that is alien to them. They only vote for a name and (D) they can't understand what policies mean nor why someone would not want to be a (D) because no matter how corrupted the DNC is they love it no matter what.

Sounds like something out of 1970s Pravda.

When I became a citizen, I PROUDLY registered as a Dem, Yup I bought the full press. In 2011 I became a decline to state after we went from universal heath care to surrender. I knew the consequences of doing that money wise for the party (and yet the membership continues to bleed). As a reporter these days... forgetaboutit, I shall remain an indy for the rest of my life.

Education is a wonderful thing.

and see their level of "intelligence", I squirm.

2 of those who registered as dems from indie to vote for Bernie

I dropped my ballot off at the local drop box yesterday. I'm hoping we can give Bernie a solid win.

Thanks for the thread, J_J_.

like a Pacific Northwesterner.

Thank you Oregon and Go Bernie!!!

If this makes a difference, it might mean Sanders wins by 33% instead of 30%

The only promise Bernie could keep is his promise to raise taxes on the middle class

and then you know you're lost.

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Most might vote for Sanders, some might be Republicans trying to disrupt the Democratic results by hoping the easier-to-beat Sanders gets the Democratic nomination, some might be people who want to see a woman president, but of course Sanders supporters will spin things their way because they are getting desperate!

You need to stop being an on-looker and do some research.

1. Sanders has been demolishing Trump in ALL national matchup polls since January. And he continues to do so in the most recent matchup polls.

2. Clinton barely squeaks by, and even loses to Trump in a few of the recent matchup polls.

3. Sanders has very high numbers in the polls that gage trustworthiness, honesty and likability.

4. Clinton has dismal--even shockingly dismal--numbers in those polls.

5. Sanders is extraordinarily strong among independents (now 40+% of the electorate)--he gets about 70% of those votes.

6. Independents loathe Clinton. (I know that's a colorful word but I think it's pretty accurate. In any case, independents are not going to vote for Clinton--so how can she beat Trump?)

There are other factors putting us at great risk of losing the White House to that dangerous hotair balloon, Donald Trump, if Clinton is the Democratic nominee.

One of them is the FBI investigation of her private email server and CIA's and the NSA's apparent alarm at Chinese and other foreign country spying via that server. Another is all her other "baggage" including pay-to-play with the Saudis at the Clinton Foundation, what she said to Goldman Sachs if it ever comes out, her association with the likes of war criminal Henry Kissinger, Neo-Con Robert Kagan, George Bush and Bush cartel donors, the vid of Clinton laughing at the bayonet rape and murder of Gaddaffi ("We came, we saw, he died!" ha-ha-ha!) and other things too numerous to list, plus things that have yet to emerge, for instance, from the FBI investigation. Trump will use all of it, but I think his strongest argument with voters will be that she is bought and paid for, and he is not, because he is independently wealthy and owes nobody anything.

Bernie Sanders has none of these problems.

Sanders has good poll numbers because he'd be easy to beat, so Republicans want him. With his past pro-Trotsky views, his admiration for Castro, his promise to raise taxes for almost everyone, his threats to 401Ks, his weird writings (such as his rape fantasies or belief that sex causes cancer), and so.

The fact is Sanders can be easily attacked from both the left and the right. For obvious reasons, Hillary and her surrogates rarely attacked Sanders from the left, but he certainly doesn't have as progressive a voting record as he claims, and perhaps if she had attacked him in this way early on he might not have gotten as much traction as he has. After all, he has a number of disturbing votes:

His vote to provide special liability protection to gun manufacturers
His vote against the Amber Alert system
His vote against immigration reform in 2007
His vote for regime change in Iraq in 1999
His vote for war appropriations for Afghanistan and Iraq in 2001
His votes against the Brady Bill
His vote for the Crime Bill of 1994
His vote to protect the anti-immigrant vigilante Minutemen
His vote to bar Obama from moving detainees from Guantanamo to the mainland
His vote for the pro-Wall Street Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000

There were 850,000 new voter registrations as of March. Young voters had the biggest surge--a jump of over 150%!

This has been a fabulous and unprecedented surge of new voter registrations!

Most of the new registrations are Democratic. It looks like independents are avoiding the No Party Preference status, probably because it's a bit tricky for NPPs to vote in the Democratic primary. (NPPs have to request a Dem ballot.) Also, there has been confusion about the word "independent" which appears in a RW party name (American Independence Party). So independents who want to vote for Bernie are apparently being cautious.

There is no question that this amazing surge in voter registration is about Bernie Sanders. Clinton simply doesn't inspire this kind of enthusiasm and participation. The Democratic Party pols ought to be grateful. This is going to boost down-ticket races and, if Sanders wins the nomination, the party will retain most of these million+ new voters, and thousands of new volunteers will be added to the ranks.

But party pols, office holders and super-delegates, in CA as everywhere else, are mostly Clintonbots. Some are bought and paid for; some are too dense or cynical to respond to a democracy revolution; some are so full of themselves they really don't like new voters and new volunteers that can't be controlled; and some are women who have bought Clinton's faux feminism or who are engaged in selling faux feminism for their own purposes (faux feminism = a self-centered, self-inflating womanism that ignores the rapes and murders of women in places like Honduras and Libya, where Clinton's actions have resulted chaos and brutality, and that ignores poor women who are the victims of Clinton's donors, here and abroad).

I've been a member of the California Democratic Party for 50+ years. It is here, in this state, that I first became active as a canvasser for JFK at age 16, as president of the local Young Democrats and as a member of the California Democratic Council (great grass roots Dems, long gone). And I am fed up with most of my party leaders. The Democratic Party establishment here is as sick as the Democratic Party establishment elsewhere (well, maybe not as sick as New York). The sickness is Corporatism.

I do, however, think we have a fairly decent election system, as 'TRADE SECRET' code election systems go. I will be surprised if we have the problems NY had, of tens of thousands of voters being stripped from the voting rolls. I don't think that will happen here, but I can't be sure. And I cannot vouch for the 'TRADE SECRET' code voting machines and tabulators. They are, as everywhere, riggable. But we do have a lot of smart techies here who will be looking for tell-tale signs.

One good sign is that Gov. Brown allotted a new and big chunk of money to the counties to handle what they expect to be a huge surge in voting in the Primary June 7. We won't likely have closed polls or long lines. Mail-in voting has already started, but I don't think mail-in voting will give Clinton the unfair advantage she has had in other states with early voting--when Sanders wasn't well-known. The Clinton campaign has, of course, been pushing the lie that there is no other candidate, at this point, but Clinton. Damn, that kind of lying makes me mad! But Californians have had lots of time to vet Bernie and tend to be high information voters because of computer and phone use. Most will not be fooled. Most will vote for Bernie. It could well be a blowout for Bernie.

GO, OREGON AND CALIFORNIA! GO, BERNIE! HURRAY FOR BERNIE GOTV!!!

In my early voting days, the Dems managed to put up good candidates for the general. Anyhow, glad I stuck around to get to vote for Bernie. Also glad to vote for Dave McTeague over Blue Dog Kurt Schrader.

Meanwhile Clinton is ahead by 15 points in the latest Oregon Poll

http://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-oregon-poll/