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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:49 PM May 2016

email-ghazi: If there's no sex, race or terra involved, Mr & Mrs Ohio are never going to give a sh#t

Sorry to break the news to the bureaucrats trying to influence this election but the Martha Stewart ship has sailed and even if they pull an indictment out of their derrières Hillary will still be nominated and elected. It might depress the vote enough to influence a House race or two, but all the fulmination in the world is not going to move the needle nationally. It might also however create an urgent need to reform those agencies once president-elect Clinton takes office.

And now back to today's breaking news on the Socks the Cat investigation . . . .

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CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
1. You believe that if Hillary is indicted
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

that she'll still get the nomination?

Oh Lordy. I feel kinda sorry for you. What's in that popcorn that you're eating...funny mushrooms?

Pretty tough to be President without a security clearance. Don't you think?

Oh man. And I thought I'd heard it all.



ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
2. We know she won't be indicted because Obama has intimated as much on several occasions.
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

He hasn't said it outright, but it's his say-so and he's never going to give it a green light. There might be a recommendation passed up the chain with much fanfare but no actual indictment.

As to the effect on the Clinton campaign, a good analogy would be the iPhone case brought to court by the same agency. Apple didn't blink and surprise, it went away. Hillary is very accommodating to her critics but she isn't going to blink on this or any other VRWC tale.

As for the electorate, a good past-is-prologue example would be the Chelsea Manning leaks made known to the universe via Wikileaks. Yes, there were some embarrassing communications revealed, but none of it changed anything, except to gave partisans a little more grist for their mill. But in the long run overall perceptions of the Obama admin and Hillary's role in it changed not a whit nationally or internationally.

renate

(13,776 posts)
4. gee, that wouldn't look terrible if the FBI found problems and Obama somehow prevented an indictment
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:48 PM
May 2016

I certainly hope that isn't in his power, anyway, and if it is it would be absolutely terrible if he did so.

Hillary is not a beloved figure, I regret to say. (I genuinely do regret that, because she is our only rational hope for a Democratic president. I support Bernie all the way, but I am realistic.) If she isn't indicted, a huge proportion of the electorate will assume that strings were pulled. If she is indicted, well... Honestly, I think a Trump presidency--which is fast becoming a very real possibility and not a joke--would be the end of a good 240-year run for the United States. The stakes could not be higher.

In just the past week or two the GOP elites have gone from absolute we'll-never-vote-for-him despair about Trump to a feeling of "we can work with this." The idea of a President Trump is going to seem almost normal by November (remember that feeling of "WTF? Arnold Schwarzenegger?" And then "Governor Schwarzenegger" became a normal thing to say). I am really, genuinely concerned about the results of the FBI's investigation--not whether there's anything to it, because I don't think she would ever have deliberately or casually compromised data, but how it will affect the general election.

And please, Hillary supporters, don't dismiss my concern as trolling or whatever. Whether it was trumped up by her enemies or whatever, the FBI investigation is a real thing and a huge Achilles' heel for our almost certain nominee.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
5. It will no doubt be spun that way, if it comes to that,
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:05 PM
May 2016

but unless the AG is as suicidally partisan as the bureau director pushing this load, I don't think it will come to anything at all. It's a perception game and always has been, going back to 1992 and marijuana-gate and all the rest. And the Clintons rolled on.

But let's say something really sizzling turns up and the AG recommends indictment: Barack gives it serious and grave consideration, has a couple of hour-long sit downs with Charlie Rose and Andrea Mitchell, maybe even goes on national TV to explain why this is a serious matter but not one meriting further investigation. Nothing will change media-wise but there won't be an indictment. That's pure fantasy.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
8. If Obama quashed an FBI indictment request, his legacy is in the toilet...
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

No way he does that for a candidate I very much suspect he can't stand on a personal level.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
11. Obama has said the opposite
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:42 AM
May 2016

Obama has said that he will north influence this investigation or the devious made, PERIOD.

Do you seriously believe that if the FBI presents evildence that Clinton broke laws and engaged in criminal activity, that Obama would direct Loretta Lynch and the DOJ to do nothing?

Obama didn't even know about Clinton's private email server. I think she's on her own here.

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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
16. I am.
Sat May 14, 2016, 04:30 AM
May 2016

Look Bernie has a nice voting record on certain issues and came up with a shortlist of appealing ideas but he's no match for the VRWC which I suspect is using him as proxy since they haven't been able to come up with a real candidate of their own. I don't think he's unaware of it, but I don't think he cares either. In any case it's been one dirty trick after another but Hills has managed to get past every one of them, and this is just one more. And if she's resilient enough to get as far as she's gotten, I'm confident that she can run the country in accordance with the aims and principles of the Democratic party and of the Clintons themselves who let's face it have a knack for prosperity.

Anyhow that's how I see it.

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GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
6. terra IS involved
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:34 PM
May 2016

Secretary of State ignores security, gets hacked by Guccifer et al on unsecured private email server.

It didn't make the US more secure for her to operate this way.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
7. You don't think Trump could draw a line from incompetent security to "terriss" in a New York Minute?
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:36 PM
May 2016

Spare me...

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
9. He could do a lot of funny things because he's an entertainer.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:42 PM
May 2016

But as a national security issue this story just keeps getting dumber and dumber.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
10. Problem is, those things WORK.
Thu May 12, 2016, 09:48 PM
May 2016

I suspect you've noticed that a big ol' swath of the electorate is gullible as fuck. Barring verifiable reports that hacked data fell into very wrong hands, I suspect the actual national security implications of Clinton's several bad decisions in this matter will prove to be very minimal. But I also know that that's not going to stop it from being absolutely perfect grist for the attack ad mill...and the aforementioned big ol' swath will lap it up.

Moreover, and on a more legitimate note, this reinforces very justifiable doubts about Hillary Clinton's judgement. Those bad decisions in this matter are hardly unaccompanied in her record. They have a lot of company.

Demsrule86

(68,605 posts)
12. State was hacked twice
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:34 AM
May 2016

So...I think data from the email server did fall into the wrong hands... the server Hillary was supposed to use which no former SOS used. Good thing she had her own server and did not trust the antiquated State system...why do we have the worst internet in the world?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
13. We can also thank Manning and Assange for helping to make this a big nothing burger.
Sat May 14, 2016, 03:16 AM
May 2016

If Hillary's official State Department communications were hacked six ways to Sunday what difference does it make that she put some on a private server? Security-wise she was clearly dealing with a ridiculously imperfect system.

Also, it sounds like was given the royal run-around on this matter and decided if she was actually going to do her job she'd have to take matters into her own hands. In other words this appears to have been a made-to-fail situation from the get go which she thwarted and naturally that pisses the security state off. But from a voter's perspective the whole thing is unbelievably petty and insignificant.

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