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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:40 PM May 2016

Camp Hillary is playing a dangerous game in Nevada just to avoid an embarrassing loss.

The strong-arming and essentially fraudulent tactics being used as we speak to prevent a Sanders win in Nevada, could end up being the last straw for Bernie supporters nationwide...

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Camp Hillary is playing a dangerous game in Nevada just to avoid an embarrassing loss. (Original Post) reformist2 May 2016 OP
I already have a pile of straws, this is an additional straw. djean111 May 2016 #1
I went through this in Iowa CoffeeCat May 2016 #65
They can only win by cheating emsimon33 May 2016 #84
Sanders movement is seen as a threat to power. Power isn't ceded willingly HereSince1628 May 2016 #105
The Hillary people have become more like the Republicans than the Republicans themselves. After Cal33 May 2016 #107
They excluded 64 Sanders delegates. Hillary stole the election with 33 and a rules change voice vote w4rma May 2016 #89
Yesterday was a microcosm of everything bad and corrupt about today's "democratic" establishment. reformist2 May 2016 #99
THey are playing a dangerous game with the country Ferd Berfel May 2016 #2
Because IT'S HER TURN, Dammit... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #5
LOL...love it! nt Land of Enchantment May 2016 #117
just your opinion. nt msongs May 2016 #3
All it requires is opinions for people to refuse to vote for her Armstead May 2016 #45
With enough last straws... Fairgo May 2016 #4
Another Motion "Carries" ... Got Democracy? AzDar May 2016 #6
It has a familiar feel to it. hellofromreddit May 2016 #9
Toot! Toot! The establishment train is about to leave the platform! PatrickforO May 2016 #27
Camp Sanders played a dangerous game in Nevada just to avoid an embarrassing loss. SharonClark May 2016 #7
bleep blorp frylock May 2016 #37
How else could anyone respond? emsimon33 May 2016 #85
We're watching. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #8
and all your posts are angry today. Alll the the nasty booing and chanting at the riversedge May 2016 #10
Dreams die hard I guess CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #11
yeah that's a great attitude....Let's kill us some fucking dreams -- That'll get us votes Armstead May 2016 #46
can you imagine honoring that piece of slime?!!! nt grasswire May 2016 #114
ROFL DREAMS? ROFL AgingAmerican May 2016 #54
It feels like HRC is calling our bluff felix_numinous May 2016 #12
It was the Sanders fan, who last time mailed out the fake letters telling Hillary riversedge May 2016 #25
And the Sanders supporters cheered with the cheating. Now, they have a sad. seabeyond May 2016 #40
Delete. Wrong place. bunnies May 2016 #115
Off Topic but that's a very unsettling graphic Armstead May 2016 #47
The picture reminds me of Anna from the TV show "V" .99center May 2016 #75
Agreed. I think it makes her look like a droid. bunnies May 2016 #116
Looks like Aerows May 2016 #123
Bullshit, that was from the party jfern May 2016 #98
Sorry but that was the Clark County Dems Mnpaul May 2016 #113
nope, I think both those Hillary supporters and those Sanders supporters so inclined will NOT still_one May 2016 #80
Well, she's gotten away with everything else jfern May 2016 #97
I suppose they just ran into the Sanders' supporters blows, just to fake getting hit too? Starry Messenger May 2016 #13
The nevada delegate selection plan is clear Gothmog May 2016 #14
Nope. When they took a voice vote for the rules, the chair ignored the louder cheers from Bernie's s reformist2 May 2016 #15
Read the rules Gothmog May 2016 #49
You need to read the rules again, because you are mistaken. reformist2 May 2016 #51
No you are the one in the wrong Gothmog May 2016 #52
last shred of democracy being extinguished amborin May 2016 #16
How dare she get delegates for a race she won Demsrule86 May 2016 #18
Your "hehe" tells me all I need to know about your respect for a rule-based society. reformist2 May 2016 #22
demonstrating, yet again, that the elites are above the law amborin May 2016 #38
I respect the vote Demsrule86 May 2016 #72
After all, it's who counts the votes who prevails. OwlinAZ May 2016 #106
If you don't read the rules, then you cannot claim surprise Gothmog May 2016 #50
Seriously Demsrule86 May 2016 #59
she won the state Demsrule86 May 2016 #17
Can you describe what happened at the county level that caused Hillary to lose? reformist2 May 2016 #23
Well first of all Demsrule86 May 2016 #70
Exactly. I find this ironic as hell. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #41
It is hillarious Demsrule86 May 2016 #67
He simply believes he is beyond rules, law or moral compass. His message surpasses it all. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #73
Bernie Demsrule86 May 2016 #79
Losey McLoserface, I've taken to calling him lately. He's more than earned it. nt IamMab May 2016 #110
I have never seen someone publically be such a poor loser, so consistently. It is embarrassing. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #111
This is ridiculous. The Nevada contest has already happened and Hillary has won. StevieM May 2016 #19
You need to read the delegate selection rules. Then you'll understand the fraud that's happening. reformist2 May 2016 #21
The rules say you award the delegates to the losing candidate? Demsrule86 May 2016 #60
Lol, do I detect a wee bit of karmic backlash against the Sanders boys in NV? Tarc May 2016 #20
She won the caucus in Feb. Adrahil May 2016 #24
Plenty Of Harry Reid Interference And Manipulation Then As Well... PAYING UNION MEMBERS TO SHOW CorporatistNation May 2016 #69
Just for once, I'd like see Sanders supporters accept a defeat... Adrahil May 2016 #71
The results were decided months ago KingFlorez May 2016 #26
Hillary won the caucus in Nevada, if any camp is trying to circumvent the results Thinkingabout May 2016 #28
She did not win in February, because thats not how the delegates are chosen. You do know that, right reformist2 May 2016 #29
Are you saying she did not win the caucus? There was an election today, she won again. Thinkingabout May 2016 #30
Of course winning a primary or caucus is meaningless... Demsrule86 May 2016 #61
give it up already...... chillfactor May 2016 #31
And the best thing about their tactics today annavictorious May 2016 #32
I'm sitting here at the Paris kiva May 2016 #33
Thank you for your eyewitness account. It's terrible what is happening today. reformist2 May 2016 #34
I agree. kiva May 2016 #35
More like poetic justice Demsrule86 May 2016 #62
They don't care. jeff47 May 2016 #36
The old "Lesser of Two Oligarchs" gimmick? No thanks... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #53
well we don't give a shit about them dana_b May 2016 #57
Hard to keep up.Can't we just expect everyone to be honest? R and L sick of establishment corruption snowy owl May 2016 #39
This is like a pickpocket complaining they got mugged Renew Deal May 2016 #42
Great analogy Demsrule86 May 2016 #81
This does not bode well. nt JEB May 2016 #43
She won the caucus in Feb. Adrahil May 2016 #44
The last straw was a long, long time ago...n/t tokenlib May 2016 #48
It would have been much smarter to accept the loss and not seriously piss off Bernie supporters jfern May 2016 #55
Guess what Demsrule86 May 2016 #63
Guess what Joe the Revelator May 2016 #68
Right and your candidate is the darling of the right Demsrule86 May 2016 #83
The right want Hillary as their opponent Sejon May 2016 #108
After Two Days of Lurking... PCPrincess May 2016 #92
I am a Hillary supporter Demsrule86 May 2016 #93
You likely never read on the 1968 convention nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #118
Right and it worked out so well for thos protestors Demsrule86 May 2016 #121
Well climate change is not going away nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #124
Good, we can be sure to not vote for your shitty candidate in November jfern May 2016 #96
I have stopped expecting you to Demsrule86 May 2016 #103
So you are telling an old time poster nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #119
I never said that Demsrule86 May 2016 #120
You heavily implied it nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #122
There is no such thing Demsrule86 May 2016 #91
Have fun losing without us jfern May 2016 #95
I'm waiting to hear an actual complaint, rather than broad platitudes brooklynite May 2016 #56
Allowing Bernie supporters to cheat her out of delegates she won Demsrule86 May 2016 #58
I'm afraid of people who break the rules to get what they want. reformist2 May 2016 #66
Misleading at best Demsrule86 May 2016 #86
Camp Weathervane made a conscious decision that they would rather cheat than lose. With GoneFishin May 2016 #64
Angry white male Whimsey May 2016 #74
Still with the BernieBro meme? Sejon May 2016 #109
It sounds to me it was Sanders delegates playing the fraud game. seabeyond May 2016 #76
What's really going to be embarrassing... Jester Messiah May 2016 #77
Agreed! emsimon33 May 2016 #87
Are you describing Bernie Whimsey May 2016 #90
To be fair lancer78 May 2016 #78
damn their participation! demwing May 2016 #94
I am already planning my trip to Philly to riot emsimon33 May 2016 #82
Three hots and cot Demsrule86 May 2016 #88
Free room & board. grossproffit May 2016 #102
k n r cui bono May 2016 #100
Well, if this is how it's going Karma13612 May 2016 #101
I can see the national convention is going to be a real Fun Fest. nt Buns_of_Fire May 2016 #104
They obviously don't think they need our consent felix_numinous May 2016 #112
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. I already have a pile of straws, this is an additional straw.
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

Illegitimate win, looks like to me. Not playing that game.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
65. I went through this in Iowa
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:57 PM
May 2016

At our County Convention 177 of Hillary's delegates failed to show. It could have cost Hillary the whole state of Iowa.

So, they kept us there, counting for 14 hours. The Hillary Chair was caught telling Bernie supporters to go home because they were no longer needed.

Bernie was winning at the first count. But after dirty tricks and 14 hours of challenging out credentials and counting and counting, we ended up losing people and Hillary won.

Hillary people counted and prolonged the day until they got the count they wanted.

This is systemic cheating by the Hillary camp, within the caucus system.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
84. They can only win by cheating
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:52 AM
May 2016

I am beginning to believe that Trump is a set up and his outrageous behavior is to further ensure a win in November for Hillary.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
105. Sanders movement is seen as a threat to power. Power isn't ceded willingly
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:22 AM
May 2016

There should be no expectation that the use of rules of order and charades posing as rules of order will end.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
107. The Hillary people have become more like the Republicans than the Republicans themselves. After
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:48 AM
May 2016

all, they are right now trying to get one of their prominent politicians to start a 3rd Party. There
are no takers so far. Does this mean that the Republican Establishment are rebelling against
their masters (the Corporatists), while the Democratic Establishment is getting closer and
friendlier with them? Is the DNC taking the place of the RNC in the affections of the Corporatists?

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
89. They excluded 64 Sanders delegates. Hillary stole the election with 33 and a rules change voice vote
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:03 AM
May 2016

Sexton reported that nearly 64 Bernie Sanders delegates to the state convention were excluded from the convention process. Sanders only had 33 fewer delegates than Clinton in attendance.

“The credentials minority report is based on the challenge of 64 Sanders delegates. Contrary to the procedures and precedents set by the committee, nearly none of these 64 people were presented with the opportunity to be heard by the committee or to demonstrate that they are registered Democrats," Sexton said. "Without the opportunity to be heard, no delegate could be stricken. The actions of the credentials committee violates the spirit of the Nevada state delegate plan which encourages full participation in the democratic process, and it violates the spirit and values of our state and our nation."

The DNC committee member said the report would be submitted to the DNC.

The entire convention was plagued by problems as Sanders supporters decried various voice vote decision, the delegate counts, and booed Sen. Barbara Boxer.

Nevada's delegate process was thrown into chaos after Sanders supporters outnumbered Clinton supporters at the Clark County convention, allowing more of his delegates to attend the state convention.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279939-clinton-nets-two-delegates-at-raucous-nev-convention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1450614

And preceding that there was the rules change voice vote that required 2/3's to pass, but likely didn't even get a majority of the delegates.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/279930-nevada-dem-convention-devolves-into-chaos

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
99. Yesterday was a microcosm of everything bad and corrupt about today's "democratic" establishment.
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:44 AM
May 2016

I think a lot of eyes were opened yesterday. The true face of the democratic elite was revealed, and it was horrific - the opposite of "democratic".

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
2. THey are playing a dangerous game with the country
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

just because it her turn. When she looses to Drumpf she will try to blame Bernie and his supporters. But we will all loose for her amition and greed

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
7. Camp Sanders played a dangerous game in Nevada just to avoid an embarrassing loss.
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

The strong-arming and essentially fraudulent tactics being used to prevent a Clinton win in Nevada, could end up being the last straw for Clinton supporters nationwide...

riversedge

(70,245 posts)
10. and all your posts are angry today. Alll the the nasty booing and chanting at the
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

meeting by Bernie supports reflects your OP. Shameful. Nothing was fraudulent, you have NO proof, yet you post as if it was the truth.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
46. yeah that's a great attitude....Let's kill us some fucking dreams -- That'll get us votes
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:06 PM
May 2016

I can see why you have posted the person you placed on your sig line....

riversedge

(70,245 posts)
25. It was the Sanders fan, who last time mailed out the fake letters telling Hillary
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:45 PM
May 2016

delegates they did not have to attend. Karma is wonderful. More Hillary delegates showed up today.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. Off Topic but that's a very unsettling graphic
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

I'm sure there are more aesthetically pleasing images available of Clinton.
Just an opinion.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
116. Agreed. I think it makes her look like a droid.
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

It's hard to believe a Clinton supporter would create it. It's creepy.

still_one

(92,242 posts)
80. nope, I think both those Hillary supporters and those Sanders supporters so inclined will NOT
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:46 AM
May 2016

the others candidate should they become the nominee.

It isn't a bluff, just like for the last several months when some Sanders supporters on DU vowed they would NEVER vote for Hillary in the GE if she is the nominee, I did not view that as bluff, and vice versa

jfern

(5,204 posts)
97. Well, she's gotten away with everything else
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:59 AM
May 2016

The only way she doesn't get away with this is if enough Bernie people don't vote for her in November.

Gothmog

(145,343 posts)
14. The nevada delegate selection plan is clear
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

It is the Sanders supporters who are not playing by the rules

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
15. Nope. When they took a voice vote for the rules, the chair ignored the louder cheers from Bernie's s
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016

ide, and she went ahead and said the motion carried. Now we find out the delegate count is nearly tied, it's clear she had no leg to stand on by approving the rules without an actual vote.

Gothmog

(145,343 posts)
49. Read the rules
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

Clinton won 20 delegates in the February causus and that is how many she has now. The rules never allowed sanders to steal delegates ftom Clinton. Clinton is playing by the rules.

Gothmog

(145,343 posts)
52. No you are the one in the wrong
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:35 PM
May 2016

It is sad that the Sanders followers failed to read the delegate selection plan

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
18. How dare she get delegates for a race she won
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:12 PM
May 2016

What is this world coming too...the Bernie stolen delegates were retrieved...hehe.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
72. I respect the vote
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:16 AM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders voters clearly do not. The behavior disenfranchised real voters...many of whom were minority voters...this was disgusting on all levels...Bernie Sanders people talk about morality endlessly...too pure to vote for a corporatist but you didn't practice it in this instance.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
59. Seriously
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

You did not win those delegate and don't deserve them...what about the voters...you all pulledl a Cruz and think you are so clever...steal Hillary delegates... and now you are mad...because she got them back. Do ever think about what you do...have ethics?

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
17. she won the state
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:11 PM
May 2016

Bernie people thinking they have a right to steal delegates are the ones committing fraud.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
70. Well first of all
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:13 AM
May 2016

Let me just say that in past elections, this sort of thing never happened. Bernie's people sent fraudulent letters so they could steal the delegates as the Hillary people were given the wrong time. It doesn't matter how they did it...they disenfranchised Nevada voters many who are minority voters...disgusting and disgraceful...glad that in the end the Bernie people failed. We never had to worry about such things before...I consider that Bernie Sanders voters stealing delegates they did not earn was just plain wrong and anti-Democratic.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
67. It is hillarious
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:09 AM
May 2016

Do you suppose Bernie will go on Morning Joe and complain that the delegates he stole were stolen back from him? I see no respect for democracy or the vote in the Sanders campaign...he wants to overturn the entire primary.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
79. Bernie
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:44 AM
May 2016

is definitely the end justifies the means kind of a candidate. I have come to dislike him. He is no Democrat and does not respect democracy...of course he is a socialist and I am beginning to think not the good kind.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
111. I have never seen someone publically be such a poor loser, so consistently. It is embarrassing. Nt
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
19. This is ridiculous. The Nevada contest has already happened and Hillary has won.
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

There is no embarrassing loss to avoid.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
60. The rules say you award the delegates to the losing candidate?
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

Really? More likely you looked for ways around the rules to take something you could not win...and now things are back to the way they should be. Hillary won the state and has the delegates.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
20. Lol, do I detect a wee bit of karmic backlash against the Sanders boys in NV?
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

It was only a month or so ago when the Sanders Camp was positively giddy over overriding the Nevada caucus-goers voting preference, by snagging more delegates in the 2nd round via some Ted Cruze-esque manuver.

I haven't followed the news closely today, but it seems like there's a bit of comeuppance going on?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
24. She won the caucus in Feb.
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

I realize the Sandernistas think they can bully their way into seizing delegates in any caucus, but she won that caucus, and throwing a tantrum about it won't change the outcome.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
69. Plenty Of Harry Reid Interference And Manipulation Then As Well... PAYING UNION MEMBERS TO SHOW
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:13 AM
May 2016

UP SO LONG AS THEY VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!! Yeah, THAT was 'fair" too!

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
71. Just for once, I'd like see Sanders supporters accept a defeat...
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:15 AM
May 2016

...without claiming it was cheating. It's getting ridiculous. News flash: Bernie is gonna lose sometimes. In fact, he's gonna lose the nomination. It happens.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
26. The results were decided months ago
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:49 PM
May 2016

At this point it would be fraud to try and turn those results into a Sanders win through tricks.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
28. Hillary won the caucus in Nevada, if any camp is trying to circumvent the results
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:52 PM
May 2016

Then it is the Sanders camp. This must be Sanders camp at oligarchy, ruling by the few, now that will not happen.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
30. Are you saying she did not win the caucus? There was an election today, she won again.
Sat May 14, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

She got the greater number again for the delegates, now the Sanders camp wants to stop the results. BTW, it will only be one vote at the convention, you do know the delegates are pledged to vote the first time according to the primary results, dif you think there was going to be a second vote where delegates would switch?

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
61. Of course winning a primary or caucus is meaningless...
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:29 PM
May 2016

You sent fraudulent letters and circumvented the rules to overturn, the vote. It was a sleazy thing to do and now you had the tables turned...good... the people of Nevada deserve better.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
32. And the best thing about their tactics today
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:01 PM
May 2016

is that Boxer and Reid are there to witness it. Poor Senator Sanders has lost control of his "supporters", and the party is done indulging the delusional.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
33. I'm sitting here at the Paris
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

in the Clark County delegation.

Their game is dangerous indeed. Having Barbara Boxer come to scold all of the Bernie supporters was stupid. Refusing to adopt Robert's Rules of Order rather than "Roberta's rules" was stupid, particularly when it was evident to everyone that 2/3 of the people present had voted for Robert's. Turning away delegate. Telling dozens of people who arrived late (did anyone mention that parking was almost impossible?) that they could only have guest passes, and couldn't vote was dangerous.

In short, most of the people sitting around me, in the Bernie side, plan to exercise our Nevada choice of 'none of the above' and the Nevada Democratic Committee is to blame for most of it.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
34. Thank you for your eyewitness account. It's terrible what is happening today.
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:31 PM
May 2016

I have to think this was driven by the pride of the Hillary Camp. They were humiliated that their delegates didn't show up at the county conventions, and they simply couldn't deal with it. They should have taken the hit and move on. So stupid that they couldn't. And criminal, really.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
62. More like poetic justice
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:31 PM
May 2016

I want to see Sanders all red and mad carrying on about Hillary stealing the delegates he stole first.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
39. Hard to keep up.Can't we just expect everyone to be honest? R and L sick of establishment corruption
Sat May 14, 2016, 07:46 PM
May 2016

Why do HRC people want it continued. She is part of it. All that legacy mired in corruption. Win at any cost. That's exactly why both right and left are sick of the establishment.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
44. She won the caucus in Feb.
Sat May 14, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

This is Bernie supporters attempting to subvert the result.

Can you imagine the screaming if Clinton tries the same thing?

What's ironic is that it's really just a couple delegates at stake here. Most of the delegates are already allocated.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
55. It would have been much smarter to accept the loss and not seriously piss off Bernie supporters
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

But instead, they opted for a Pyrrhic victory.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
63. Guess what
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

I don't care if we piss off Bernie voters...if all they want to do is take votes they didn't earn.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
83. Right and your candidate is the darling of the right
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:51 AM
May 2016

Because they know they can beat him. My candidate won a primary...yours did not. My candidate did not steal votes in Nevada she did not earn...disenfranchising real voters...but I guess the end justifies the mean with you guys...and you claim you are ethical? I don't see it.

PCPrincess

(68 posts)
92. After Two Days of Lurking...
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:42 AM
May 2016

I've been reading replies to many OP's over the last few days, and of all the people posting replies, none influenced me more than yours to finally hit the 'reply' button. Posts from supporters like yourself and others like you assuredly are ensuring there will be far less people willing to vote for Hillary if she is the chosen nominee. I'm floored by the mentality I'm seeing here. The maturity level is lower than that of high school kids in cliques who are bullying people to vote for the popular cheerleader OR ELSE. Somewhere in your gut, I know it is there, but somewhere down there, you know that the reason supporters of Mr. Sanders are defending him at all costs is because we truly know that he IS A PERSON of ETHICS AND INTEGRITY. There is no denying that truth. We are furious that we, as a nation can be so amazingly dedicated to ensuring our futures are less well-off. Just like many human beings eat to much, then feel guilty, drink too much knowing they will suffer a hangover, flirt with a co-worker even though they are married, spend money they don't have using credit cards, and join in mobs of people doing the wrong thing because it feels good to belong to something, it is apparent that they will continue to vote against our interest, the interest of our own families and communities, and the interests of this country. And, just like all those other things human beings do, they will all later regret it.

I won't be one of those people. I will not do something I know is wrong. I will be able to live with my decision. I will not regret my choice. The problem is that this time, the results of bad choices affect everyone. You will force us to regret choices that others made. We are tired of being forced to live with other's bad choices. Enough is enough.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
93. I am a Hillary supporter
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:48 AM
May 2016

if you were lurking than you must see the filth that is posted by BSS and the constant blackmail ...I think many of them are Trump supporters. I also think we will have to manage without them regardless. They made that clear...thanks for posting to me ...on your first post.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
118. You likely never read on the 1968 convention
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

Same attitude from party elites. It went very well. Perhaps you remember President Nixon

That was the end result

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
121. Right and it worked out so well for thos protestors
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

Nixon won again in 72...he escalated the war, and I would bet more than a few of those protesting died in Vietnam.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
124. Well climate change is not going away
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:42 PM
May 2016

And species extinction is the wicket here. And you blame the protesters as usual, instead of party. Elites that were wrong.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
103. I have stopped expecting you to
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:10 AM
May 2016

Some of the Bernie or bust type supporters are Trump people playing pretend on this forum...others are angry and bitter and can not accept that their candidate lost. Hillary won millions more votes. Also, overturning a primary, that you lost is not right...you should never have pulled a Cruze with this. You erased a loss...you flipped a caucus you lost by 5%. It is wrong. Also since many who were disenfranchised by you in April were minority voters, I have to wonder if this sort of behavior coupled with personal attacks by Bernie impugning Hillary may have lead to the huge New York loss and his inability to attract minority voters strongly. As for the constant threats from Bernie voters and blackmail attempts, I have always believed the price of your vote was Bernie as the nominee. I do not believe Bernie can win a general. There is a reason why the right wants him. Of course, it makes no difference if Bernie could win or not.We do not award the Democratic nomination based on polls. And Bernie is mathematically eliminated. Cherry picked polls will not impress anyone.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
120. I never said that
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:34 PM
May 2016

If I thought you were for Trump I would not respond...some on this board are for Trump though.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
122. You heavily implied it
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:38 PM
May 2016

And prove that claim. The fact that some folks are not for HRC does not mean they are for trump. And in most of the US people voting for or against those two will not change the state outcome. Nor will voting third party. Those who actually understand US politics know Calufornia, for example, is going to go blue and Alabama Red. Serious. Both parties could run the Devil-Chtullu ticket and they would win in either of those two in the proper letter behind their name.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
91. There is no such thing
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:08 AM
May 2016

a victory is a victory...and this one is particularly sweet given the unethical behavior exhibited by Bernie supporters at county where they disenfranchised the voters and overturned the Nevada caucus.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
58. Allowing Bernie supporters to cheat her out of delegates she won
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:23 PM
May 2016

would be stupid and unfair to the voters who voted for her and did not vote for Sanders. Why are you people afraid of democracy?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
66. I'm afraid of people who break the rules to get what they want.
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:07 AM
May 2016

At this convention today, they prevented over 60 Sanders voters from voting. Anyone who supports that as "poetic justice", well you probably can imagine what I think of people like that.

Demsrule86

(68,595 posts)
86. Misleading at best
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:54 AM
May 2016

The 60 'voters' showed up without credentials...addresses...some who could prove who they were ...were seated those who were not Democrats, and were not on any rolls were not seated. So that is not really true...and since Hillary won the state...I fail to see how Sanders thinks he is entitled to delegates.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
64. Camp Weathervane made a conscious decision that they would rather cheat than lose. With
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

cover from the DNC machine and our right wing media, whose going to stop them?

 

Whimsey

(236 posts)
74. Angry white male
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:32 AM
May 2016

Bernie supporters need to go vote for Trump. You keep threatening it. The democratic party will survive.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
77. What's really going to be embarrassing...
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:35 AM
May 2016

is when she gets her ass handed to her by a fascist oompa-loompa. I'm not sure if it's going to be more embarrassing for her, or for us, but it's really going to suck.

 

Whimsey

(236 posts)
90. Are you describing Bernie
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:08 AM
May 2016

as a fascist oompa-loompa? I might agree, except I have a more benign view of the oompa loompas in the original Willy Wonka with Gene Wilder. Course I can see him as a Mike tee-vee. Is that your point?

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
78. To be fair
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:37 AM
May 2016

Sanders supporters did try to nullify the February primary results tonight by stuffing the convention.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
82. I am already planning my trip to Philly to riot
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:50 AM
May 2016

How can I ever vote for this person? How can anyone who values the democratic process? The hubris is so great, the arrogance so overwhelming that they don't even try to hide the cheating any more.

What are they thinking? Is maintaining their power and the power and ability to suck all the money they can out of this country for the rich and corporations so great that they choose to ignore how they are tearing the Party to shreds.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
112. They obviously don't think they need our consent
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

or respect--I have totally lost it for anyone who blindly supports these illegal tactics. These criminals must not be allowed to steal their way into public office.

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