will be IF Hillary is "selected" by the Super delegates to be the nominee...

are selecting her. If you believe POLLS 6 months out then you believe we have just finished 4 years of President Romney.
Mr Sanders is behind in votes, remains behind and will be behind in the end.

As she has relied on low information, low turn-out, high restrictions, repression of information, and spreading of disinformation.

of those things....except himself of course

"Democratic Party honchos"?

Really?

I guess Perry couldn't uncover any actual SD that thinks that of HRC, so had to just vent his own fantasies. At least all these desperate posts are outing all the sites that aren't interested in facts or doing any actual investigation.

And SDs are not stupid people. They read the polls...all of them, they know better than we do what's going on behind the scenes. And if they make decisions their constituents don't like, they can lose their jobs...and I'm not speaking of the Super Delegate appointment.

They also understand better than most, or perhaps had some influence, the actual acts of the DNC that hurt this upstart from Vermont. And they watch him gain daily not planning to go away. They will be forced to look at the actual numbers of the GE...who can beat Trump because at the end of the day, this is what matters. And those numbers don't look good for HRC. Consistently.

Many are elected officials, so they had better check which way the weathervane is pointed.

Note that this does not apply to any partisan posters on DU. They, more than others, are going to be looking realistically at every single aspect of this most unusual election season.

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I am amused by the sad concept that Sanders is electable in a general election contest even against a flawed candidate like trump. Sanders has been ignored by the press becuase no one believes that he has a chance of being the nominee. Sanders has not been vetted and would be destroyed in a general election

She's beating him by quite a lot in votes and pledges delegates.

What's up?

How do you explain him trailing such a "weak" candidate?

Brock is her smear machine. This primary election has been plagued with problems brought to you by the establishment; voter purges, registration changes, bad rules (NY), closed polling places, changed locations of polling places...

to name a few reasons.

If she's such a strong candidate why is everyone cheating for her? Iowa, Nevada, NYC... what's up with that?

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can you link to one or mention it so I can see?

The racial slurs, cries of sexism, the tax lies, the single payer lies, the NRA lies, the socialist lies, the he treats his wife so badly lie... did I miss anything? Oh yeah, photogate.

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and denials there has been sexism? Gee okay, see you at her inauguration. I'll bring you some smelling salts and a tiny violin.

Direct quote from you:

towards her?

If Bernie were given the air time from the beginning and if the media actually covered the issues and not just the horse race, Bernie would be winning. We've seen his steady rise and her steady drop. But that coupled with the cheating and voter disenfranchisement and the consistently low voter turnout means the household name gets home court advantage.

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omgz...

Nothing is too far out of reach for you guys, is it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

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My point is that if one of the reasons that Sanders is trailing Clinton is low turnout, then it must be that not enough Sanders supporters are showing up.

Sanders' performance in open primaries shows pretty clearly that he's the stronger candidate in an open race like the GE. Moreover, a big, big chunk of her lead was garnered in states she has no chance of winning in November.

As far as hlm winning in open primaries and Clinton not, not so fast either. Here are the real facts.

Hillary has won 20 contests, and Bernie has won 15.

12 were caucuses, and 23 were primaries.

Hillary has won 18 primaries, and 2 caucuses. Bernie has won 5 primaries, and 10 caucuses.

As of April 21, 2016, Rasmussen has 18,101,561 turnout for democrats in primaries, and 670,495 turnout for democrats in caucus states. Even if the caucus turnout was more than reported, it was NOWHERE near the over 18 million votes cast in the primaries. Therefore, even if the caucus turnout was slightly higher than reported, there is no feasible way that he could have more popular votes than Hillary, being that she's won vastly more of the primaries, which account for approximately 17 million more votes than caucuses.

What about CLOSED v. OPEN contests? Well, out of the 35 contests thus far for democrats, 12 were caucuses, and 23 were primaries.

16 of those primaries were open, and 7 were closed.

3 caucuses were open, and 9 were closed.

Who won those?

Bernie has won: 7 closed caucuses, and 3 open caucuses. 2 closed primaries, and 3 open primaries.

Hillary has won: 2 closed caucuses, and 0 open caucuses. 5 closed primaries, and 13 open primaries.

Therefore:

9 of Bernie's 15 wins come from CLOSED states, be they caucus, or primary.

AND

7 of Hillary's 20 wins come from CLOSED states, be they caucus or primary.

Let's dispel the idea that Bernie's losing because of voter suppression, because he has only won 5 primaries, and caucuses suppress the vote by their very nature. They are undemocratic, not 'one person, one vote,' and leave many poor, disabled, and otherwise stressed and busy people out due to the time commitment inherent in their format.

Let's also dispel the notion that Bernie's losing because of closed states. He's won more in closed states than he has in open ones. The bulk of Hillary's wins come from OPEN primary states, where voting is accessible, and easy for Independents and Democrats.

Sources are here, feel free to check:

https://ballotpedia.org/Closed_primary http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_larry_j_sabato/primaries_versus_caucuses_the_score_so_far_in_2016 http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/19/bernie-s/sanders-largely-base-saying-we-win-when-voter-turn/ http://www.nytimes.com/.../primary-calendar-and-results.html

I'll check them out...

Clinton is a damn weak candidate. This might be news to you, but it hardly has been news abroad, where people have written pieces in this vein for months. Here is another story that is emerging abroad. Think about this one for a second...corrupt American elections.

You might not notice, because you are blinded by partisanship...but we are starting to become tje laughing stock...and when we go...but your elections...we will be laughed at in return.

And you know what...deservedly so

She is loved and respected all over the world. Women all over the globe talk about how just having a picture of them together has saved their lives.

This is a diary at dkos covering the great introduction Meryl Streep gave Hillary a few years ago at some benefit. Meryl was charming and funny as ever.....she really admires Hillary, as do I.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248523/-You-won-t-see-Hillary-Clinton-in-the-same-light-ever-again

"I’m alive because she came to my village, put her arm around me, and had a photograph taken together."

"I’m alive because she went on our local TV and talked about my work, and now they’re afraid to kill me."

"I’m alive because she came to my country and she talked to our leaders, because I heard her speak, because I read about her."

I’m here today because of that, because of those stores. I didn’t know about this. I never knew any of it. And I think everybody should know. This hidden history Hillary has, the story of her parallel agenda, the shadow diplomacy unheralded, uncelebrated — careful, constant work on behalf of women and girls that she has always conducted alongside everything else a First Lady, a Senator, and now Secretary of State is obliged to do.

And it deserves to be amplified. This willingness to take it, to lead a revolution – and revelation, beginning in Beijing in 1995, when she first raised her voice to say the words you’ve heard many times throughout this conference: “Women’s Rights Are Human Rights.”

Imperial delusion. American leaders are respected or feared, at times both. There is some loathing sometimes. Love is not a word that rolls off the tongue with the American president with one notable exception and for similar reasons to those of the US. That is JFK.

I read like for real foreign press. I grew up abroad. I am by training a historian. Sorry if I will take those experiences and foreign papers over well a Kossack blog. And she is considered weak. And Excelsior in Mexico City had lots of fun with the 2004 Conyers report that the NYT never touched. They are back at hammering on that theme of US corrupt elections this year. They are also correct.

Part of that is see, the gringos are just as much into dedazos so quit that yammering. And you know what? This year has that feel. A dedazo...alas they are not alone .The British and German press started on this weak theme months ago and now they are noticing the irregularities. The same goes for the Spanish press and other Latin American presses. Not just Telesur that has an ideological point to pick.

It's patently obvious by simply paying attention, but her fans have extremely effective blinders

But the she is loved is laughable. Most people abroad have not heard of her. Bill maybe, but not her. It is laughable

determine how hard we land. If it's Hillary, we double-down -- lose a Big War, and for America, the reckoning.

If it's Trump, we go the way of the Weimar Republic, a succession of ever-more reactionary and buffoonish Chancellors, until a depression brings the real thing Fascist.

But, if we are very, very lucky (and smarter than we seem), the system will continue to self-correct (Obama started that process), and the one who replaces Hillary at the Convention will continue to make fairly good less than optimal choices, and we will have a soft landing with most of our remaining institutions and liberties intact.

As an optimist, I'm thinking the latter, with Warren emerging as the Unifier.

Replace HRC

way to Third Party, and the Democrats going hard-right, and America into a New Cold War that we can only lose. I have to hope that the incumbent and some others in positions of responsibility don't want that to happen, and have been making the necessary arrangements to replace HRC while we have slept.

But, I am an optimist.

Cold before Challengers launch. That is a classic study in group think. I think of the DNC as the NASA administrators who went forwards because the rest of the engineers were in group think

That is what I am seeing. Though, CNN and others are starting with weak candidate so perhaps the line engineer is starting to get a hearing

Then, he added "Like her emails?" He didn't get anything close to a sensible, honest answer from any of the three party hacks he was talking to. But, he breached the question. That should tell us something is afoot.

I just won't believe it until they do. Too many signals they are still in group think

and hold onto old prescribed truths longest until told to give them up.

But of the actual party.

Partisans will mostly fall in line.

Don't believe it or disbelieve it just because it's forbidden. I doubt if the inevitable conclusion to this one leaks until its supposed to, within a few weeks of the Convention, and even then the big shocker will all be made to appear spontaneous.

We are on a similar thought pattern, not quite the same, but parallel

Why some of us pretend to vote

you would laugh at these women who believe their lives were literally saved because they know and had their pictures taken with her? That is a disgusting way to look at life. Good bye please put me on your ignore list I wouldn't want to know you

And I do not have an ignore list. So you might want to use yours

And by the way...weak candidate right now in CNN

This is now becoming a theme in tneUS as well too late to do that vetting. But American news media does not inform. That is hardly their role

And I already explained to you why these elections have the feel of corrupt. That vibe is now not just limited to the US. I grew up in a country where we laughed at the system for el Dedazo. Guess what? This is just as openly corrupt.

You will keep laughing. When this becomes a trend the elections, regardless who gets "elected" becomes illegitimate

So as Palast wrote this year, the primaries are a practice run for November ... This is just improved over 2004. And you will not get the enthusiasm to take this out if the MoE.

But Americans are too stupid. Or very intelligent. The number of non voters includes a large number who already made their peace with a corrupt system that does not work for them

rehearsal for November in AZ.

I argued that in quite a few posts with Sanders supporters who were blaming that on Hillary, which was nothing but silly as many of the poll closings were in minority neighborhoods that include both Clinton and Sanders voters.

Others besides you know what's going on too.

And I consider these primaries not legitimate

By the way, it is not my job to convince non voters to vote. I have been told why people don't vote. And I get it. In an oligarchy it is a waste of time. That is why I also added, or intelligent

with literally no hope of ever making up the difference. SDs not going to support the weak and flailing candidate, so you if you wish to talk about a weak candidate that isn't strong enough to win even a majority of PDs, stick with Bernie, he's the only weak candidate here, and that's with all the dirty tricks, whining and all that money spent!

President Obama only had 86 pledged delegate lead

Sanders would be a horribe grneral election candidate. He has not been vetted because no one has taken him seriously

And they, and Hillary and her fans, wouldn't be trying to smear a good man who stands up for the people every day of his life so much.

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Sanders' silly platform relies on a so called revolution that would ptoduce so many new voters that the GOP would have to listen to Sanders. That theory was silly in that there is NO number of new voters that would cause the GOP to be reasonable. In any case Sanders revolution has been a flop.

and he doesn't have 1/1000th of her baggage. Oh, and he's not under investigation by the FBI.

And if you think this movement - which is NOT the "Sanders revolution" but a people's movement that Sanders happens to have given a voice - is over, get back to me in 5 years. Even if he doesn't win the primary, he has won YUGE for the people. He has shown that we do NOT need money in politics, showing that the Dem Party was completely wrong to have sold out to the DLC as Bill Clinton did and that we need to be beholden to big money as Obama and Hillary are. We CAN be the party of the people again, which is sorely needed, and if we aren't, the people will no longer tolerate this blatant attack on democracy by the establishment and will leave the Dem Party and form a new one. I suspect the GOP will splinter as well, although they are easier to keep in line since they are a lot more misinformed than Dems.

Political movements go in cycles. This cycle is about changing back away from corporate control and back to the people, much like under FDR.

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He's lying. She only needs a bit more than 100 and she will have all the pledged delegates she needs by the convention. She will also have announced her VP pick and if he is really nice she will let Bernie speak in prime time.

Just like Obama!

Imagine that.

Not to mention he hasn't even been vetted. Hillary beats him even with all the bullshit lies thrown at her from the right AND the left Purists!

You've got a serious credibility problem if that's the best argument you've got.

he's been ignored by the press because of that machine that is his opposition. Press=corporations.

Yes.

Bernie Sanders.

And the dirty hippies will get the blame in November as well

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Maybe they're not so keen to go down with the ship after all.

If Bernie were actually winning like Obama was. Instead he is losing way worse than Clinton.

They switched after she dropped out and released her delegates.

when it falls on you

living this fiasco down.

and simply said,

And Skinner is ok with this, apparently?

I'm sorry -- I was cyberstalked by a family member on a different board I used to post to. The admin banned the person fairly quickly, and after they tried to come back multiple times under different socks, eventually blocked their ISP. It is an ugly thing to have to deal with.

of two competing dems in the primary (very on topic)
It is a good read tho, have a look. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511963603

Sorry I didn't get to see it until after it was locked. A lot of research went into that, and I thank you for your time!

Keep fighting the good fight, Dragonfli.

And as for the chickenshit who sent you that handwritten note -- so as to avoid leaving an online trail -- they'll get what they deserve......maybe even a Clinton presidency. Probably best if I don't voice my thoughts on that.

What has happened to this group and Democrats? Bullying, silencing, stalking -- all for HRC.

A whole bunch young kids who really don't vote much will still not vote. And a decent percentage of the really progressive, or socialist members of this site will sit the election out.

There or what, 300,000 members of this website. Who knows how many are active. I love this community, but I never had the illusion that it is representative of society as a whole or even the Democratic Party as a whole.

And the ultimate irony of this nation's founding is that the founding fathers hated the idea of factions or parties. And then created a Constitution that pretty much makes two different parties unavoidable.

And many of us who are supporting Hillary really like Bernie. We just think he is a weak candidate. No one on this site is bothered by the term democratic socialist. But if you do not think that is a huge issue you either live on a college campus, a large progressive city, or an echo chamber.

They like Bernie. The don't trust Hillary.

She's the weak candidate. Stop buying bullshit.

I well know Clinton is weak. But the shit is out there. You and I and this whole community we have here are hyper aware of politics in this country. Most Americans know nothing of Bernie. I believe once the mainstream media and Republican machine are finished with him he will be weaker than Clinton. I may well be wrong, but that is the way I feel.

It makes me sad, because I believe he would be a great president. But I cannot turn off my ability to reason, however flawed, and depend on my emotions.

Time will tell. I am voting for the Democratic candidate.

No matter which one that is, the alternative is unthinkable.

In breakup mode since 2012 at least. It started after 2008. The dems have been undergoing the same process just sub-rosa.

They have the House, Senate, many governors and many chambers of state government. They're not going anywhere.

In my state (MI), they are leaving their jackboot prints all over rights, making this a right-to-work (anti-union) state.

and realignment further to the right, as the dems become a right wing party. Whether they control, or not, stuff does not mean this is not happening.

You didn't just pull that outta yer ass, did you??

To "break up" the Democratic Party"? I keep hearing so many people who "claim" to support Bernie push this meme, and it seems to be that the agenda of these posters is to do all they can to actually destroy the party. Why is that? Sounds like a Karl Rove idea to me.

They have done nothing to build the party. Nothing to elect Dems in state elections. No GOTV efforts.

And now this primary season.
I hope people are ready for the convention. All hell is going to break lose.

it's totally unbelievable that the multitudes of new voters brought in by Bernie Sanders will likely be ignored. That's gross negligence on the part of Democratic leadership.

The desperate pleas for Bernie to quit BEFORE the convention the last few days would seem to fit that scenario as it would leave his delegates open to be coerced into supporting him.

I think Bernie needs to go all the way, he (AND his supporters) should be the only alternative if Clinton cannot run in the GE.

Biden's overly liberal for them, too; but more controllable.

Not that the Superb Delegates have much choice. Clinton, Inc. has been collecting markers for a long time, and they've called them in.

Because if it means Hillary, I think I'm gone.

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