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Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:14 PM May 2016

Bernie or Bust: Bernie Sanders Supporters More Determined Than Ever After Chaos



At The Nevada Democratic Convention

The “Bernie or Bust” movement has grown now that Bernie Sanders’ supporters are outraged over the chaos at the Nevada Democratic Convention on Saturday. Despite having less support during the convention, Hillary Clinton was awarded more delegates. The decision caused Bernie supporters to become outraged as they believe the Nevada voters are victims of election suppression.

It turns out that Bernie Sanders actually had more support at the convention than Hillary Clinton. However, the convention did not count 58 delegates for Sanders because they said they did not switch their party affiliation to Democrat in time for the convention. The delegates had until May 1 to become Democrats, but at the Nevada Democratic Convention, 58 out of the 64 contested delegates for Sanders could not be found as registered and were stricken from the count. Due to that issue, Hillary Clinton was able to take Nevada by 33 votes.


(snip)

Sanders’ supporters are angry because they claim the convention rules were changed literally at the convention in order to purposefully deny certain delegates from voting in order to ensure that Clinton took the majority of delegates. Then, when the underdogs demanded a recount of the delegates because they believed they were being cheated, that request was denied as well.

When taking a vote about the temporary rule change, many in attendance say that the “nays” were heard just as clearly as the “ayes.” In that case, the rules state that when a majority is not clear, the convention has to revote by “vote of division of assembly.” This means the convention attendees would cast their vote by standing on whichever side of the room they agreed with. According to Heavy, this was not done, and the temporary rules were adopted even though there were reportedly more Bernie Sanders supporters in attendance and a “nay” vote is what should have been expected. Many were upset about the vote and said that it was taken so early in the day that many delegates were still in line and hadn’t even been allowed inside yet.


The controversial vote was placed to decide if the Nevada Democratic Convention would change the caucus rules in Hillary Clinton’s favor. The Nevada Caucus is run in two rounds. The first round of the Nevada Caucus was won by Clinton. However, the second round of voting happens at the county level, where the chosen delegates have to show up again for their candidate. Bernie Sanders won that second tier hands down because not enough of Clinton’s delegates showed up. The vote on Saturday was to only count delegates from the first tier in a clear attempt to take the win back for Bernie Sanders and upset his entire voting base.

The Nevada Democratic Convention turned into a huge “Bernie or Bust” protest when, after 16 hours of tension between the Bernie Sanders supporters and the Hillary Clinton supporters, a demand for a recount was shut down without a clear vote again. Sanders supporters claim that when a vote was taken about recounting the votes from earlier, a decision to not recount was made before the “nay” votes could even be heard.

Even though there were clearly more Sanders supporters at the convention Clinton was awarded 20 delegates to head to Philadelphia in July while Sanders was given only 15 delegates. It was obvious from the reaction of the delegates that the Hillary Clinton win was not expected, nor was it agreed upon. As Bernie Sanders’ supporters began to chant about a recount, the lights inside the room were turned down and the volume on the PA system was turned up in an effort to drown out the fury of the angry crowd.


(snip)

The day after the chaotic Nevada Democratic Convention has left Bernie Sanders supporters very upset. The “Bernie or Bust” movement is continuing to gain traction as more and more voters feel like there is a massive amount of election fraud happening and no way to stop it. There have even been calls on President Barack Obama to do something about the alleged cheating that has happened so much during the Democratic primary.

Watch the video below of the unrest on Saturday night and tell us what you think will happen during the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia in July.


http://www.inquisitr.com/3098220/bernie-or-bust-bernie-sanders-supporters-more-determined-than-ever-after-chaos-at-the-nevada-democratic-convention/

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Bernie or Bust: Bernie Sanders Supporters More Determined Than Ever After Chaos (Original Post) Uncle Joe May 2016 OP
There were no PUMAs. There will be no Bernie or Bust. nt onehandle May 2016 #1
Rather, they'll be noise. joshcryer May 2016 #9
you discount this at your peril roguevalley May 2016 #19
Damn Right! Doctor Jack May 2016 #27
+1 .99center May 2016 #38
lolz joshcryer May 2016 #28
Go ahead and piss off about 40 percent of the primary voters Armstead May 2016 #48
I love how puffy socks May 2016 #51
No...Clinton campaign and supporters spread that meme Armstead May 2016 #52
Continue on puffy socks May 2016 #53
Did you put yourself to sleep with your own boring meme? Armstead May 2016 #54
No puffy socks May 2016 #55
Since I don't plan any more interactions with you, I'll have a nice day Armstead May 2016 #56
That cutie has been here for less than a month arikara May 2016 #58
Um... it's the Hillary people who changed the rules to suit themselves. cui bono May 2016 #63
Fight! kgnu_fan May 2016 #2
You need to change that word Demsrule86 May 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author apcalc May 2016 #3
Spoken like a true Clinton Apologist... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #10
The Fascist face behind the Clinton Machine's "Rainbow Oligarchy" was revealed to all... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #4
Yikes apcalc May 2016 #8
Spammer. Bobbie Jo May 2016 #21
Bernie lost ... JoePhilly May 2016 #5
lol nt BootinUp May 2016 #22
Maybe maybe not -- biut had the people who ran the meeting not been so repressive.... Armstead May 2016 #49
You left out one part Demsrule86 May 2016 #6
Party leaders should follow their own rules Ash_F May 2016 #30
The Nevada Caucus Rules were followed to the letter in April. bvar22 May 2016 #59
Our aspiration for true Democracy will not be defeated by corrupt DNC and Hillary gang kgnu_fan May 2016 #11
The Nevada convention absolutely sealed it HerbChestnut May 2016 #12
Hillary is so far ahead of park bench she doesn't need to cheat Ohioblue22 May 2016 #13
Exactly! If she were going to cheat it would have been after New Hampshire. What would be the kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #24
Get out if you can Hydra May 2016 #32
And after the arrogance and assholish Hill fans' attitudes. cui bono May 2016 #14
Hillary the Democratic™ party, and her followers don't think they need the left to win in November corkhead May 2016 #16
And they seem to forget that the GOP hates Hillary as much if not more than Trump. cui bono May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #25
Go get 'em!!! cui bono May 2016 #37
More like some of us recognize lost causes. Adrahil May 2016 #46
Hillary supporters are outcome based thinkers. It's only about winning. cui bono May 2016 #64
Thank you, Uncle Joe Time for change May 2016 #15
Thanks for your good works, Time for change. Uncle Joe May 2016 #17
PUMAs 2016. Meh... seabeyond May 2016 #18
Most of the electorate is not like DU KingFlorez May 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #26
And growing after this is over...n/t tokenlib May 2016 #34
Yep. Twitter too. Fantasy based reality. grossproffit May 2016 #29
Gotta give credit to Roberta Lange. kiva May 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #35
So... Let Bernie over turn the will of voters from Feb..... Adrahil May 2016 #47
K&R Ferd Berfel May 2016 #33
kr Norrin Radd May 2016 #39
I forgot... who won the Nevada primary again? BzaDem May 2016 #40
No one. Nevada has caucuses n/t eridani May 2016 #44
https://www.reddit.com/r/berntheconvention dreamnightwind May 2016 #41
Thanks for posting, Uncle Joe! and K&R amborin May 2016 #42
How could they ;have caucused at the first level without being Democrats? eridani May 2016 #43
Corporate Fascism on Dem Side. Homegrown Fascism on Republican side. Whats not to love? Katashi_itto May 2016 #45
I'm very befuddled as to what 'rule change' they are talking about. randome May 2016 #50
The line between the "Bernie or Bust" dudebros Blue_Tires May 2016 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #60
Recommend! KoKo May 2016 #61
Another kick to the top kgnu_fan May 2016 #62
"Bernie or Bust" = Trump enablers YoungDemCA May 2016 #65
DNC policies throughout this campaign whether it be in regards to debates Uncle Joe May 2016 #66
They do it because they can. NorthCarolina May 2016 #67
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
48. Go ahead and piss off about 40 percent of the primary voters
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:12 AM
May 2016

Yea that's going to generate enthusiasm and turnout in November.

As the totally unexpected rise of Trump has proven, you ignore the potential closeness of the election at your peril.

Dismissing a large chunk of what should be her voters in Nov. is not very smart.



 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
51. I love how
Mon May 16, 2016, 08:18 AM
May 2016

You all pretend that all 40% of Bernie's supporters are fanatical, unreasonable people like these fools who caused the Convention to end early by acting like snotty children,and then blamed the DNC for taking the vote at that point time when the venue told them to leave due to the chaos created by Bernie's supporters

We realize a great many of Sanders supporters think that they're special and all the rules should be changed for them, from super delegates to closed primaries , ignoring how did yourselves in by not reading the laws and following them... Of course that's the DNC and everybody trying to get these paranoid people

This group of people that has ruined Sanders campaign for him
Way to go!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
52. No...Clinton campaign and supporters spread that meme
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:03 AM
May 2016

And this post you wrote attempts to perpetuate it while "denying" it.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
55. No
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

The continued denial of reality by Bernie's supporters has gotten old.
Time to move on without you
You can catch up later,or sit out and pout
Your choice.

Enjoy your day!

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
63. Um... it's the Hillary people who changed the rules to suit themselves.
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

So you might want to wipe your own nose before flinging your snot at others.

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
7. You need to change that word
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:20 PM
May 2016

to 'steal' as in steal the Nevada caucus that you lost...Bernie lost Nevada.

Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
49. Maybe maybe not -- biut had the people who ran the meeting not been so repressive....
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:15 AM
May 2016

the response might not have been so angry.

I wasn't there but from the objective reports it seems like the "Establishment" figures who ran it fanned the flames rather than encouraged an environment of reasonable process.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
6. You left out one part
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:19 PM
May 2016

Bernie overturned the Nevada primary and disenfranchised voters in April. Hillary won Nevada not Sanders...so the cheating Sanders supporters were stopped and as another poster noted they have a sad...oh well. What you did in April was wrong...karma paid you a visit.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
30. Party leaders should follow their own rules
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:02 PM
May 2016

They liked the rules when it helped them, didn't they?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
59. The Nevada Caucus Rules were followed to the letter in April.
Mon May 16, 2016, 03:29 PM
May 2016

Please detail or provide a link to a credible source that claims Sanders or his supporters "cheated" at the Regional Caucus in April.....

OR

Admit that you just made that shit up.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
12. The Nevada convention absolutely sealed it
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

I was on the fence whether or not to vote for Hillary if she was the nominee, but not anymore. If this is the way she wants to win campaigns then I can only imagine how she'll run the country.

Response to Ohioblue22 (Reply #13)

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
14. And after the arrogance and assholish Hill fans' attitudes.
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

Seriously, they think they can lure Bernie supporters with:

You lost, get over it.

Caring about election discrepancies is just sour grapes.

You just want to take your ball and go home.

Bernie needs to drop out.

And someone just tried to make my post about a man assaulting a woman racist.


I'm not ever voting for Hillary, but they better think twice about their caucus behavior and attitudes towards Bernie supporters in swing states if they think Hillary is going to be in the GE.

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corkhead

(6,119 posts)
16. Hillary the Democratic™ party, and her followers don't think they need the left to win in November
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:00 PM
May 2016

All they think they need to do is cozy up to the Drumph hating Republicons and they will have it made. If her campaign does manage to survive the primary process and she gets the nomination, her choice of running mate will tell us all we need to know about whose votes she'll be courting in the Fall.

What's funny and stupid on her part is that those "Sensible Republicans" she will be going after dislike her even more than we do.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
36. And they seem to forget that the GOP hates Hillary as much if not more than Trump.
Mon May 16, 2016, 02:54 AM
May 2016

Except when a Bernie supporter criticizes Hillary, then they bring up the right wing attacks and claim that's what we are doing.

It's all hypocrisy and projection. That's all they got. At least their smears have quieted down somewhat. But they still don't talk issues.

.

Response to cui bono (Reply #14)

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
37. Go get 'em!!!
Mon May 16, 2016, 02:58 AM
May 2016

It's really hard to believe that anyone who calls themselves a Democrat is okay with this:





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Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
46. More like some of us recognize lost causes.
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:08 AM
May 2016

Lots of my friends are Bernie supporters. None are Bernie or Busters. My only encounters with that species are online, and I've coem to the conclusion that they ar outcome-basec thinkers. They've already decidd that the only way Bernie could lose is if he was cheated, and so they see cheating everywhere and are immune to actual facts, or even their own supposed primciples.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
64. Hillary supporters are outcome based thinkers. It's only about winning.
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:12 PM
May 2016

There's no issue discussions, just smearing a man who has fought for the people and their equality his entire adult life. I've never seen anything like it.

As to the cheating and voter disenfranchisement, are you really okay with the way things have gone this primary? Put aside your candidate preference, if you can, and look at it objectively. Do you think it's okay that 120,000 voters all of a sudden were not registered as Dems anymore in Brooklyn? Do you think it's okay to decide a presidential primary with a coin toss? Do you think it's okay to keep a caucus going for 14 hours in order to bring in more of your people and have others leave? Do you think it's okay that there is such a discrepancy in the exit polls with the election results? Do you think it's okay that rules are changed last minute and recounts are not allowed and that it is all done in a biased manner?

If you really do not have a problem with the erosion of democracy and the people not having a voice then so be it, but there's nothing more to discuss. If you do have a problem with this then why do you diss the people who are standing up for a fair election where the people are heard?

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Time for change

(13,714 posts)
15. Thank you, Uncle Joe
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016

I see that your and my threads on the same subject were posted at the same minute.

But I couldn't find a single article that describes what happened in the detail that yours does. Now I have one.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
23. Most of the electorate is not like DU
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

There aren't enough Bernie or Bust people to have great impact. Not everyone who voted for Sanders is a hardcore fanatic. Remember Hillary Is 44? That movement really succeeded in derailing Obama.

Response to KingFlorez (Reply #23)

kiva

(4,373 posts)
31. Gotta give credit to Roberta Lange.
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:28 PM
May 2016

I do believe she has almost single-handedly turned Nevada from purple to red.

Response to kiva (Reply #31)

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
47. So... Let Bernie over turn the will of voters from Feb.....
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:09 AM
May 2016

Or else!

You mean delagates actually have to be Democrats? Cheating!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
43. How could they ;have caucused at the first level without being Democrats?
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:07 AM
May 2016

Oddly enough, Coffee Cat had the same switcheroo pulled on her in Iowa.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
50. I'm very befuddled as to what 'rule change' they are talking about.
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:33 AM
May 2016

The article is not clear and meanders from one outrage to another.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
57. The line between the "Bernie or Bust" dudebros
Mon May 16, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

and the Teabag/Ron Paul crowd is nonexistent by now... Same rhetoric, same tactics...

Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #57)

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
66. DNC policies throughout this campaign whether it be in regards to debates
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

(something which apparently even Schultz is afraid of having in her own primary,) her entropy fostering of closed primaries, Roberta's dictatorial play in the Nevada Convention, the early line up of super-delegates committing before the first debate was even held and the smearing of Bernie just to name a few items have done more than anything to feed anti-Hillary sentiments which in turn will enable Trump.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
67. They do it because they can.
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:25 PM
May 2016

I mean seriously, what can anyone do about it right? Bitch on a social media site for a few paragraphs or so, then go make some popcorn....

We could have this

but instead we get this

for the benefit of this

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