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Corporate666

(587 posts)
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:08 PM May 2016

So, Bernie supporters... what are you looking for on Tuesday?

Please provide the end percentages that you are expecting from KY and OR on Tuesday? Bernie needs to average 66% of all remaining delegates to get a majority of the pledged delegates. But that is an average, and we keep hearing OR is a state tailor made for Bernie... so given that he will almost certainly lose (probably lose big in NJ), what percentage do the Bernie fans agree would be required in KY and OR to call those successful results?

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So, Bernie supporters... what are you looking for on Tuesday? (Original Post) Corporate666 May 2016 OP
As many delegates as he can gain in preparation for the Convention. eom mikehiggins May 2016 #1
So if he only picks up a single delegate in both states, you would consider that a success? Corporate666 May 2016 #2
Ummm, no. Since we have no chance at all in any way to manage to prevent HRC's Coronation mikehiggins May 2016 #3
Just ignore him. Nothing to see here. She has it all wrapped up and you're with her, so pour Ed Suspicious May 2016 #4
So you're prediction of "kicking ass in all remaining states" would mean Corporate666 May 2016 #8
Your words not mine. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #9
My expectations don't come in percentages. LWolf May 2016 #5
If Bernie gains say,15 delegates, how will he catch up Bakkeno May 2016 #10
At this point, LWolf May 2016 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #19
Yes. LWolf May 2016 #23
"Majority of PDs" ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #6
Were you replying to me? Corporate666 May 2016 #11
That's an important ProgressiveEconomist May 2016 #18
You're asking Bernie supporters about math. Big mistake. YouDig May 2016 #7
Just curious what the metric of 'success' is.... Corporate666 May 2016 #13
Bernie supporters don't decide what success looks like until after the fact. YouDig May 2016 #15
Two wins. A majority of pledged delegates from each state. morningfog May 2016 #12
So a net gain of 1 pledged delegate from each state would be a success? Corporate666 May 2016 #14
Yes. It won't change the percentage needs drastically, no matter the result. morningfog May 2016 #16
I'm looking for him to end up netting 22 more delegates than Hillary on Tuesday. thesquanderer May 2016 #20
I expect a win and hope for two. I expect neither candidate will lock up the nomination Vote2016 May 2016 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #22

Corporate666

(587 posts)
2. So if he only picks up a single delegate in both states, you would consider that a success?
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

That seems like awfully low expectations.

Do you have another answer as to what you really feel he needs to achieve on Tuesday to consider it a success?

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
3. Ummm, no. Since we have no chance at all in any way to manage to prevent HRC's Coronation
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:32 PM
May 2016

we'll just have to settle for what we can scrape up.

Don't worry too much about it. Obviously we're just whistling in the dark.

Nothing to see here. Move on

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
4. Just ignore him. Nothing to see here. She has it all wrapped up and you're with her, so pour
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

yourself a glass of wine and take a load off. Pay no attention to the man kicking ass in all remaining states. You don't need his supporters anyway. Full steam ahead on crowning your queen.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
8. So you're prediction of "kicking ass in all remaining states" would mean
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

your metric for him being successful means winning CA, DC and NJ?

Noted.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
5. My expectations don't come in percentages.
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:50 PM
May 2016

I expect that Sanders will do well. That means beating Clinton.

I hope he will do VERY well. That means meeting, or at least getting close to, his campaign's goal.

I dropped my vote for him in a drop box last week.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
17. At this point,
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:43 PM
May 2016

I just want him to keep beating her, and keep earning delegates. We'll see where he stands with pledged delegates after June 7th. I think he can get there.

Response to LWolf (Reply #17)

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
6. "Majority of PDs"
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

is not the goal of the Democratic Party Presidential nomination process. 2026 PDs is irrelevant and delusional; see the Politico Delegate Tracker to end your serious break with political reality:

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker

Sanders actually needs 86 percent of remaining delegates to reach 2383 PDs + SDs. Hillary needs only 14 percent, which she is virtually certain to attain. Because the Democratic primary-caucus process does not have winner-take-all states, each candidate who exceeds a minimal vote threshold gets at least FIFTEEN percent of a state's delegates.

This race is over, and Bernie Bots only are helping Trump and Republican control of Congress and the USSC by continuing to echo their lies about Hillary. Give it up.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
11. Were you replying to me?
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

I don't disagree with you for the most part, although saying "2026 is irrelevant and delusional" isn't accurate, IMO.

But it's also not a guarantee that Bernie gets the nomination. All reaching 2026 would do is to give him a solid foundation for a reasoned plea to SD's to switch to him. Some are assuming that if he hit 2026 that he WILL get the SD's. That's a bad and false assumption.

If he gets less than 2026, he has zero chance of swaying the SD's, of course.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
18. That's an important
Sun May 15, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

qualification of what you said in your OP. Still not a sensible political position IMO, in light of the boost you Bernie Bots are giving to Trump and Republican candidates for Congress. Do you realize what's at stake here?

Corporate666

(587 posts)
13. Just curious what the metric of 'success' is....
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

because it seems the goalposts keep moving.

Surely, 36+ hours before voting begins for Tuesday's primaries, everyone has an idea in their head what success or failure looks like. From a practical standpoint, success for Clinton means winning at least 35% of the vote in both states. Doing so will put Bernie further behind and further reduce his chances. An even more desirable outcome for Clinton would be to win one or both states on Tuesday - but that is a "nice to have" not a "must have" for her and her campaign.

Conversely, I think the answer from Bernie voters would be that he has to win 65% in both states as a "must have", but a greater percentage win would be a "nice to have" considering it's unlikely he will achieve 65% in DC and NJ - and others too.

But it's interesting that no Sanders voters have been willing to make a commitment on what success looks like for Bernie on Tuesday.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
15. Bernie supporters don't decide what success looks like until after the fact.
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

And after the fact, what success looks like is whatever just happened. It's really a great system, as long as all you want to do is convince people to send you money. Not so much for winning elections.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
14. So a net gain of 1 pledged delegate from each state would be a success?
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

How do you reconcile that with the number of delegates he needs to catch up by? Or are you accepting that he won't gain a majority of delegates before the convention and simply hoping for the most possible for.... some reason?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
16. Yes. It won't change the percentage needs drastically, no matter the result.
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:35 PM
May 2016

A narrative win is necessary, but not enough alone, for the upset he needs in NJ and CA.

It is nearly impossible for him to get a majority of PDs. But until he is mathematically eliminated, I support his run and his amassing as many delegates as possible.

Hillary won't clinch, if she does, until essentially the last day of voting.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
20. I'm looking for him to end up netting 22 more delegates than Hillary on Tuesday.
Sun May 15, 2016, 11:00 PM
May 2016

But no, I don't think he'll do it.

Response to Vote2016 (Reply #21)

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