2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe truth always comes out. Clinton Delegate from NV speaks out against what happened.
And agrees that Bernie supporters should have been outraged & were glad they spoke out.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)"Cheaters Gonna Cheat "
jillan
(39,451 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Three Dog Night song
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)You cant hide your lies no more.
MaeScott
(878 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Last edited Thu May 19, 2016, 08:47 AM - Edit history (1)
And, the FIRST vote was super corrupt. Video evidence and news accounts documented the corruption. So that was not necessarily the will of the people. In Vegas, more like will of the casino owners.
JudyM
(29,265 posts)Octafish
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findrskeep
(713 posts)appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)BACKGROUND INFO:
Nevada Caucus - has 3 tiers, 3rd tier wins state/delegates:
1st Tier (main televised caucus Feb 20th): Hillary won
2nd Tier (April 2nd): flipped to Bernie
3rd Tier (May 14th): last night's shitshow
(1st Tier Feb 20th problem: At the county level convention 20% of the voters at the original caucus were missing valid ballots. So 20% of the delegates were up for grabs. That means Hillary did not legitimately win the first round of caucus and that is an important factor everyone is leaving out. - Thanks to /u/vamub for pointing this out.)
Shady rule-changing prior to last night:
Nevada Democratic Party knew that based on the 2nd Tier vote, the 3rd Tier would probably go to Bernie. They didn't want this. So they changed some rules around!
Changed the Nevada Democratic Party rules so that Nevada's delegates would be awarded to the winner of the Feb 20th 1st Tier (ie Hillary).
However, they also knew that educated people would try to make motions at the convention to object to this rule, and that those motions would probably pass! So....
They also changed the Nevada Democratic Party rules so that all votes on the floor of the convention would be decided ONLY by a voice vote (all in favor say "aye", etc), and that the results of that voice vote would be decided ONLY by Nevada Democratic Party Chair Roberta Lange, and that her say was FINAL.
When you heard people talk about "Temporary Rules" last night, it was referring to these rules.
WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY:
"Temporary Rules" debacle:
Item #1 on agenda of convention was to vote for these "Temporary Rules" to pass. This was conducted by paper ballot.
Vote was supposed to be held after convention started, but instead it was held immediately at 10 am early at 9:30 when not everyone was inside the convention and not everyone who was inside had ballots. But you know who was inside and had all their ballots ready? All the Hillary earlybirds (early-hawks) that knew this vote was going to happen early. Vote passed.
Motion to have a re-vote of the Temporary Rules was demanded by citizens. Nevada Democratic Party Chair Roberta Lange instead held a voice vote that the temporary rules would stay. Some AYES, resounding NAYS. But who cares! She votes to pass it. Video of that CHILLING MOMENT here, (PS the beginning of this video is confusing because Roberta Lange is on screen, but the voice is from a woman talking OFF-screen. The voice is of a concerned citizen demanding a re-vote.) :
Sanders delegates debacle:
64 delegates were ejected from the convention because they didn't have "the proper credentials", even though they did. They weren't allowed to prove they were credentialed. Shady.
Most, if not all, of these ejected were Sanders delegates.
Therefore, Clinton won by 30 delegates. How convenient.
Highlights from the resulting daylong/nightlong shitstorm:
Barbara Boxer mocks Sanders supporters (who were objecting to how things were going down): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/15/barbara_boxer_to_nevada_democrats_if_you_boo_me_youre_booing_bernie_sanders.html
Roberta Lange commandeered all mics and surrounded herself by police so that no Sanders people could get on the mic
Eventually Dan Rolle (NV 2nd Congressional District Candidate) was able to get on the mic and he made a motion to call for the removal of Roberta Lange as Chair. As soon as he made that motion, his microphone was cut immediately. Of course. Motion was ignored. Great explanation of why this motion was ignored, here. Thanks /u/wormhog! Happens at 42:40 here: https://www.periscope.tv/FenyxFX/1yNGawjozjrxj CRAP this periscope link expired - NEW LINK: Happens at 42:40 here: ?t=43m24s
Nevada Democratic Party employs stalling tactics and psychological tactics to try to force people to leave. Making them wait hours while nothing happened, playing music SUPER LOUD, charging $5 for tiny little bottles of water. People online started ordering pizza for those inside. Some pizzas got in, but once it was realized what was going on, police started intercepting the pizzas and throwing them in the dumpster. the pizzas had to be moved outside.
Jesse Sbaih (NV 3rd Congressional District Candidate) gets on microphone and makes motion for a recount to resounding cheers. Motion is ignored (it is against the rules to ignore a motion). Happens at 16:50 here: ?t=16m50s
Roberta Lange jumps onstage and in like 15 seconds makes a bunch of motions that basically say "all the shady votes that happened here tonight stand, the pro-Hillary delegate results stand, and this meeting is adjourned". She does voice votes on all this. NAYs are ridiculously louder every time. But she passes everything regardless, ignoring the nays, then runs off stage. COMPLETE CHAOS ENSUES Videos of this: From Periscope Superhero FENYXFX great video, 21:42 here: &feature=youtu.be&t=21m42s From Adryenn Ashley - great closeup video, start at 3:50 https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/10153761902337695/ From Asia Zamora, this one well captures the pain and sadness of the aftermath of democracy being stolen from us, start at 2:30 though: https://www.facebook.com/asia.zamora.3/videos/1195756427101567/
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES:
Another great timeline from user /u/sublime_revenge https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4jdn3y/nevada_democratic_convention_mega_thread/d36591z
Great 10 minute long explanation of events from Dan Rolle here:
Another super great video explaining what when down (thanks /u/treein303 !):
A great firsthand account of the night - thanks to friend of /u/PeopleWhoDrawStuff!
Lots of pics and videos of the night here: http://www.berniesandersvideo.com/the-nevada-democratic-convention.html
An FAQ + discussion about the nights events from a comment in /r/NevadaForSanders: https://www.reddit.com/r/NevadaForSanders/comments/4jexj9/what_happened_in_nv_today/d36fmcf