2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe garbage is coming from the top ...
Totally deligitimazed. His legacy is in ashes ....
But now I realize I had that wrong.
Actually, I didn't realize it. People who know told me.
Over the last several weeks I've had a series of conversations with multiple highly knowledgable, highly placed people. Perhaps it's coming from Weaver too. The two guys have been together for decades. But the 'burn it down' attitude, the upping the ante, everything we saw in that statement released today by the campaign seems to be coming from Sanders himself. Right from the top.
This should have been obvious to me. The tone and tenor of a campaign always come from the top. It wasn't obvious to me until now.
This might be because he's temperamentally like that. There's some evidence for that. It may also be that, like many other presidential contenders, once you get close it is simply impossible to let go. I don't know which it is. That would only be my speculation. But this is coming from Bernie Sanders. It's not Weaver. It's not driven by people around him. It's right from him. And what I understand from knowledgable sources is that in the last few weeks anyone who was trying to rein it in has basically stopped trying and just decided to let Bernie be Bernie.
Sanders speech tonight was right in line with his statement out this afternoon. He identified the Democratic party as an essentially corrupt, moribund institution which is now on notice that it must let 'the people' in. What about the coalitions Barack Obama built in 2008 and 2012, the biggest and most diverse presidential coalitions ever constructed?
Sanders narrative today has essentially been that he is political legitimacy. The Democratic party needs to realize that. This, as I said earlier, is the problem with lying to your supporters. Sanders is telling his supporters that he can still win, which he can't. He's suggesting that the win is being stolen by a corrupt establishment, an impression which will be validated when his phony prediction turns out not to be true. Lying like this sets you up for stuff like happened over the weekend in Nevada.
As I said, it all comes from the very top.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/it-comes-from-the-very-top
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)I still think he will, but I'm not 100% sure anymore
boston bean
(36,223 posts)He needs to get a grip.
kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)You should be embarrassed for posting it.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)social media...
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... you were hoodwinked by a self serving charlatan.
kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)Btw, you don't have a son or daughter old enough to be drafted. Your queen will need them for the next string of wars.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)Seems the "national" scribes -- TPM, Mother Jones, The Atlantic -- have received marching orders.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)He said today that he will do everything in his power to stop the "status quo" from continuing...
StayFrosty
(237 posts)The sooner this egomaniac drops out the better
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Enjoy .
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)Bernie isn't as bad as his supporters line. But it looks like he actually is as bad. And now more news is coming out about how the chaos in Nevada was actually orchestrated, it wasn't some spontaneous mob.
In effect, Bernie is now campaigning for Trump.
... the curtain has been pulled back.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... which doesn't sway me usually but .... not one!?
They knew and said nothing
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)It's always been about Sanders' inflated ego. He snookered millions.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)The only garbage is the entire OP. Bernie's entire career in the Senate has been one
of reaching consensus with people who are completely ideologically opposed to him
and doing it without rancor of any sort.
The smell of garbage and shit emanating from the OP is fouling the air in GD-P.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Sanders wants to destroy it of course.
His democratic candidacy was a con from day one. This man has always hated the democratic party. Its common knowledge. Some people wanted to believe otherwise though and now the party is paying the price for that wishful thinking.
Any actual democratic running against Hillary would have long ago folded the tent and started working for a democratic victory in the fall. Sanders will never do that. He hates the dem party as much as the republican party, maybe more.
The only "victory" he is ever gonna get out of these primaries now, is a Nader victory and he is pursuing it with gusto to the bitter end. I don't see him ever endorsing Hillary either.
90% of his backers would consider that treason and obviously Sanders is no leader, he hasn't got the backbone to stand up to the mob he created.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Does that make her a power hungry charlatan and egomaniac too?
er, wait...nevermind
Zynx
(21,328 posts)she didn't get her way.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And the system does need change.
peace13
(11,076 posts)....it was an awful campaign that ended with a slow and agonizing death.
LexVegas
(6,091 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)The part about the super delegates of the corrupt establishment
are going to flip over to him ..
randome
(34,845 posts)I always thought the attempt to paint Sanders as 'damaged goods' was more a reflection to the insane insults aimed at Clinton. And that's still the case to a large extent. But I'm starting to understand now why Sanders has fewer Congressional endorsements than Ted Cruz.
His message is great but he is a poor messenger.
It takes a certain amount of ego to run for President. Or to be a stand-up comedian. Or to be a doctor. Both Clinton and Sanders have egos. But Clinton's ego still allows her to get things done. Sanders, not so much.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
Progressive dog
(6,917 posts)with Hillary starring as the devil and the establishment as the demons. He is a demagogue. Whether he is enough of a pragmatist to endorse Hillary remains to be seen.
Voltaire
(2,639 posts)Yawn. You idiot Hillary fans had better start realizing that your house is ablaze instead of hurling insults. She's a bad candidate. She sucked in 2008 and she sucks now. For all the same reasons. But I don't expect your crowd to even try to see that.
Progressive dog
(6,917 posts)because you are in a small minority. Count me pleased to be called an idiot by the likes of you.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Weaver has used it throughout the campaign, Sanders is only channeling it now (well, since really the unqualified remark) because he needs the DNC to think he's going to take his ball and go home. He can't risk being weak, so he's not having to embrace the ugliness. There will be careful walkbacks but it will be calculated.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders has done little leading throughout his political career. He is now a follower of Weaver. Weaver pulls the strings in their operation. Thats not to say Sanders isn't the voice. He is Weavers front and yes man.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and based on Bernie's (lack of ) votes and his (lack of) endorsements, it's clear to me that most people and major media outlets do not see him as being presidential or as being a capable leader. He'd absolutely freeze for the first international crisis that came long, or he'd lose his cool (as we've seen so often) and blunder full speed ahead into making diplomatic mistake after mistake.
(Alerter: These are my personal opinions based on my personal observations.)
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)What a political idiot.