2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie is in danger of losing his committee assignments
after his statement about the nevada convention i wouldnt be surprised if he loses any of his major committee assignments.
especially if trump god forbid wins
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)within the Party.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)...but they wouldn't have him either. He always said he was a man without the party; now that can become reality instead of just talk
John Poet
(2,510 posts)to win a majority. Right?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)If that happens, Sanders is expendable
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,371 posts)If a party is at 38-42 (to enable a filibuster), 48-52 (for a simple majority), or 58-62 (to override a filibuster) then there is a reason to coddle colleagues to form or retain a coalition. That is what occurred after the 2006 and 2008 elections so it gave Bernie more power than he would have had otherwise as an independent senator. If the party is outside those ranges then there is more leeway so that a party does not have to cater to any individual senator. The underlying math is that there is a 50-50 chance that a specific senator will be relevant in being part of a coalition; otherwise, things get pushed two years down the road when the next election occurs.
drray23
(7,637 posts)At this point, I am willing to lose Sander's vote in the senate. What is he going to do if Reid pulls his committee assignments ? Vote for the GOP ? I do not think so. He will just give more fiery speeches on the floor of the senate and keep tilting at windmills then eventually retire.
All in it together
(275 posts)But lots of Dems won't appreciate the party's continuing to treat Bernie and his supporters terribly.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)if that happens they would rarely need his vote
aspirant
(3,533 posts)to never vote with the Repubs, good luck with that
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)The Democrats we need to worry about are those like the ones in Kentucky that are concerned about coal jobs. They all along were planning to vote for Trump in the GE, but voted for Sanders in the Kentucky primary to try to keep Hillary from winning. Of course they failed to consider that Sanders would be at least as driven to get quit using coal as Hillary is. Of course Kentucky is going to go Republican in the GE anyway.
On the other there will be Republicans and right leaning independents who will ether not vote or will vote for Hillary because they cannot see Trump as President.
There will be blue collar Democrats concerned about loss of jobs due to outsourcing. They may well be an area of concern that needs to be addressed. Despite the Sanders and Trump rhetoric, globalization is a reality and economist will tell you that on the whole it will benefit our economy. However, there is no denying that it will cause real pain in specific industries and therefore in specific geographical area. Those jobs are going away no matter what we do. Specific government programs are absolutely needed to cushion the blows. On the other hand consumers will not go back to paying higher prices to prevent globalization. The US with government helping to lead the way, we must position ourselves a a country to be in a position to be leaders in business areas which will produce the high paying jobs of the future. That also means we have to set job training programs to make sure we have the people to fill those jobs.
The most pressing need is to get the Sanders supporters on board behind the nominee.
Bottom line: If Democrats keep the Obama coalition together (blacks, Hispanics single women, and young people - all of whom seem to be on board) the Democratic nominee will win and Trump will lose.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Ever hear of a filibuster, you need 60 votes not 52
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Sanders vote would not make a difference so he will not be needed.
Beside, the filibuster are no longer needed in the Senate. Unless you are Ted Cruz and you just want to call attention to yourself, no one stands in front of the Senate for hours just wasting time.
If during the preliminary vote on whether to bring a bill up for a final vote, 60 Senators do not vote "yes", the bill simply doesn't make it to the floor for a vote and the it usually dies.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)But Bernie has probably ruined our chances...and if Trump wins, it just does not matter. Let him go to the GOP he can vote for the SCOTUS nominee who will be the fifth vote to overturn Roe V Wade. Some legacy Bernie...Trump will be your legacy if you don't knock it off.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)or vote Trump. Dem candidates who support Hillary will suffer the wrath. America is headed down the toilet, led by Hillary and Trump.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)If the prospect of a Trump Presidency does get Democrats and left leaning independents to the polls, they need to turn in their "I give a shit" cards.
I'll lay good odds that the percentage of registered voters in the coming general election will set new records, even if some conservatives vote down ticket without voting for a Presidential candidate.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)Pass his progressive amendments and Bernie will vote accordingly
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)I see no evidence that he has a conscience.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Or are you just going by the GOP smears, NONE of which have ever proven to be true.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Better find another one now and avoid the rush.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Be prepared
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)that:
1) The FBI will soon be wrapping up their investigation very soon...
and...
2) They have yet to find that any laws were broken or that Hillary did anything wrong.
So I know you are praying that Hillary will be arrested before the convention because that is the only way your guy will survive, but it ain't going to happen. This is but another right wing smear which has run out of legs.
You should be ashamed of yourself for propagating Republican talking points, but you're wasting your time with me - I know better.
Your desperation is a pitiful thing to behold.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)2)" They have yet to find that any laws were broken or that Hillary did anything wrong."
Which FBI press conference was that?
When did the FBI become a spokesperson for the Repub Party ?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I didn't say there was an announcement; I said it the information that no wrong doing was detected was contained a leak from the investigation. As I am sure you are aware, leaks are often used to provide information to the public which investigators are not ready to announce officially.
I am not asking you to believe this leak (which was widely reported by the way). I am only cautioning that you should not get your hopes up if you are counting on Hillary being criminally charged or accused of other wrong doing, allowing your candidate to win the nomination. If you get your hopes up, I am afraid that you will be very disappointed.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Her behavior during the Obama 2008 election showed that clearly...she could not in good conscience leave the American people to McCain and Palin...and Trump is much worse so she conceded and endorsed. She and Bill helped Obama in 2008 and 2012. She has a conscience and cares about Americans...Bernie not so much.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)that at Bernie's age he would understand that when you stand alone the chances of successfully taking on challenges and overcoming them are small. But when there's unity, victory is far more certain and overcoming challenges is possible.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)or she can be the one person who could lose to Donald Trump.
this is not a threat, this is just recognizing when running for office you need to win if you want to get in office.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Hillary supporters are well aware that we don't want to lose to Trump. Unity provides better certainty.
In fact it was when camp Hillary dared to point out this very fact that Sanders supporters threw a tantrum, about "telling them how to vote" and accusing Hillary of wanting a coronation.
Yes it's a threat and it's meant to be ..... but an empty one. I've seen people on here warning they need their vote "earned" better watch out what we post..blah blah.
I don't believe the fanatics have the numbers needed to throw the election to Trump.
Especially after the general public has to listen to that buffoon for 5 long months and after enduring the ridiculous antics and conspiracy theories of the Bernie's most fanatical supporters.
Hillary has support , she's beaten the pants off Bernie both in delegates and the popular vote.
I seriously doubt the efforts of Bernie's supporters will sway any SDs Bernie's way. I'm pretty sure people don't respond to death threats well. And no one buys into the "it wasn't Bernie supporters" line except Bernie's supporters.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)SMH.
I guess you just can't recognize integrity and authenticity when you see it.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Trump is a buffoon.
I don't believe the fanatics have the numbers needed to throw the election to Trump.
Especially after the general public has to listen to that buffoon for 5 long months andafter enduring the ridiculous antics and conspiracy theories of the Bernie's most fanatical supporters.
No. Integrity isn't what Bernie's about, as demonstrated by the endless conspiracy theories, lies about endorsements, lie about an independent firm confirming Bernie was correct about the DNC firewall. Pretending only someone who doesn't work in corporate Americas can be Progressive. Lies all of them.
Sorry you were fooled.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)God, what you write is simply incomprehensible.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)there are people who can help you.
Try this site: https://worldliteracyfoundation.org//
Fanatic fəˈnadik/
noun
noun: fanatic; plural noun: fanatics
1. a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause.
Like the Sanders people engaged in, defending or simply ignoring :
The actions of Bernie's supporters in Nevada in LA who are trying like hell to pretend no one knows it's Bernie supporters.
Sanders supporters in L.A. harassed Clinton supporters ripping a sign Hillary had signed from a little girl's hands.
the Sanders supporter threaten to cut out a congressman's tongue.
In Alaska they are threatened party officials.
Constant harassment of super delegates to try to intimidate them into changing their support to Sanders.
Revealing the phone numbers and home addresses of Clinton supporters.
Fake conspiracies over Bernie face book deletions
Fake conspiracies over rigged elections,
Fake conspiracies about coin tosses.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)There's help for that, as well.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)of thinking, Bernie has the same goals that we do...I am beginning to think...his goal is to blow up the Democratic Party...and he cares nothing about Trump.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Why?
Because he is stupid?
Because he is naive?
Because he wants a scorched earth policy?
scscholar
(2,902 posts)If you talk the talk, you should walk the walk. You want to brag about being alone then go be alone.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)double team...Sen.Clinton...maybe he belongs there.
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)and not caucus with any party. Or maybe it's time to retire and live off the money Jane made.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,436 posts)It looks like he agrees with them- on most things, anyway.
brush
(53,836 posts)the Democratic Party establishment.
I thought he joined the party?
He sounds like a broken record from the 60s "fight against the Democratic Party establishment", "fight against the Democratic Party establishment", "fight against the Democratic Party establishment".
Come on. How about we all fight against Trump.
we all fight against corruption everywhere we find it?
How about we all fight against the 1% corrupting both parties?
How about we all demand that Rahm Emmanuel and DWS both resign?
brush
(53,836 posts)Advantage Trump.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Thu May 19, 2016, 12:25 PM - Edit history (2)
The internal stuff, I don't join witch hunts. If their constituents are happy with them it's probably none of my business. I'd vote for someone other than Wasserman in the primary, but that's irrelevant.
As for DWS's DNC position, DWS has been a lightning rod for a great deal of dissatisfaction, the decisions she presented were not hers alone, and I don't join witch hunts. For those who do, choose your favorite petition, they're already out there from various groups across the spectrum, conservative, liberal, far left, etc., etc. Of course, only DWS is named on them since who's going to bother looking up all the others on the committee, or care? In case you don't know, various power blocks from around the nation, including the states, elect their representatives to the DNC (hundreds of them).
Fwiw, I believe the petitions should all be tossed and only the opinions of registered Democrats should given any weight at all by the members of the DNC.
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)He joined the Democratic Party for the money and exposure. The closer he gets to the end, the more vitriol he's spewing about the party he rode in on. He loses his committee assignments? Boo-hoo.
I expected better out of the man. Between his comments on the Nevada fracas and the tirade last night, it's obvious that Benie Sanders is not a man of character or leadership. He's a man bitten by ambition, addicted to the chanting crowds and would rather burn-it-all down than face a loss with any measure of dignity.
Not only will the man lose the nomination but his legacy is toast. At most, he'll be remembered as the skunk at the party.
KPN
(15,649 posts)"America". Do you even hear yourselves?
You can't win people over by stifling their dissent.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)I used to send this to Republicans that they might read it and "know themselves'
I've been offering to CLinton's people more and more - hmmmm....
Bob Altemeyer's - The Authoritarians
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
Please read, and know thyself.
KPN
(15,649 posts)Bookmarked the link for later -- when my wife's watching Empire".
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)KPN
(15,649 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)katmondoo
(6,457 posts)Sanders has disappointed me, I no longer see him as a man f honor
aspirant
(3,533 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)She's as "ethically flexible" as her horndog husband.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Bernie has consistently held to a far, far higher road.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Are those the new instructions?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...in creating the BoB movement and postulating inflammatory statements after it because obvious he could never win...statements that created divisiveness, anger, and victimhood/frustration at a system that was claimed to be rigged at every turn. Everything Trump has been harping about to his voter too, as a reason not to vote for Hillary. how similar is that?
griffi94
(3,733 posts)Vermont should also have any pork they're getting
cut off.
Then the Democrats should run a serious campaign against him in 2018.
thanks
griffi94
(3,733 posts)Laugh all you want.
In politics he's not going to get a free shot.
There will be payback of some kind.
I hope it's severe.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the denials were getting so very tiresome
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griffi94
(3,733 posts)But I hope Howard Dean runs against Bernie in 2018 and the Vermont voters
can keep their pork by electing him.
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griffi94
(3,733 posts)Politics aint beanbag.
Bernie knew what was on the line when he went slash & burn.
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griffi94
(3,733 posts)Not just Hillary.
He attacked the party that allowed him to join
just for his presidential campaign.
They gave him a platform and access to their resources.
Whe he saw he wasn't going to win he went slash & burn.
He'll get his payback.
That's just politics.
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griffi94
(3,733 posts)just like the senate Democrats have a right to squeeze him.
Bernie played hard ball. Good for him.
He lost tho. Now the other Democrats get to
play hard ball.
Good luck on your mission to destroy the Democratic party.
I tend doubt how successful you'll be.
I have no doubt that Bernies supporters are upset.
But if they had the numbers then Bernie wouldn't have lost.
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griffi94
(3,733 posts)She's already drawing moderate Republicans who won't vote
for Trump.
Bernie started out with a good message.
Sadly he seems to have started believing his own press clippings.
The BoB thing is mostly just a tantrum from
the perpetually disgruntled.
Mainstream Democrats love Hillary.
That's why she buried Bernie with hundreds more delegates and millions
more votes.
Bernie needs to go take his medicine from the senate Democrats now.
I'd bet they pull his committee assignments.
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griffi94
(3,733 posts)And so are the millions more primary voters who rejected Bernie.
I think Hillary wil bury Trump.
But if she loses as big a bummer as that'll be the voters will
have decided.
Bernies supporters don't seem to want the voters to decide.
They seem to be saying they know better what everyone should do.
But Bernies numbers don't bear that out.
Democratic voters said No Thanks Bernie.
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frylock
(34,825 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)He has a list of donors.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)I'd really like to gauge this danger for myself.
If Trump wins it's because America preferred him to Clinton.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)... shenanigans.
dogman
(6,073 posts)I'm sure those are the things he values above and beyond the people.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Shemp Howard
(889 posts)No one should be allowed to run against the establishment's favorite! It upsets the party bosses, and turns the primaries into (gasp) actual elections instead of glittery victory laps.
So I think Bernie should lose all his committee assignments. And his Senate parking spot. And his Senate barbershop privileges. OK, scratch that last one. It appears like Bernie doesn't use the barbershop much in the first place.
And while they're at it, the establishment should figure out a way to stick it to Martin O'Malley too. He dared to compete past the first debate. That was very rude of him.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)... like, you know, has been the case for so many others under recent regimes?
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)Does the DNC have an "unperson" clause?
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Unthunk.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I'm sure he's quaking in his boots.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)slap at him big enough to hurt would also be a slap at the people he represents. It is supposed to be about the people, after all, and we are the Democratic Party.
As for big enough to hurt, true or not I heard just yesterday that he would not want to lead an important committee, which carries a lot of extra duties with it, including heavy-duty fundraising, so denying him a promotion is off the table. Overall, apparently their power to punish him is very limited because they can't offer or take away anything he really wants.
He always was a pontificating outsider, so his colleagues can't even snub him by no longer lunching with him. Pathetic!
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)He only caucused with Democrats because he wouldn't have received any committee assignments otherwise and you are useless as a Senator without committee assignments. If Democrats are so awful he should exit the caucus.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Her Majesty is displeased.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)...and anything else which makes him an effective Senator. Then the the people of Vermont will be displeased, with Sanders, very displeased. If there retributions, Sanders might as well retire for the good of his tiny, insignificant state.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)It is entire population is less than that a medium sized city and amounts to less than 1/600 of the population of the country.
It is so insignificant they have but one member of the House of Representative
If one is going to insult any state, Vermont is an excellent choice.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)How can that be allowed?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)But as I recall from history classes, colonies with small populations were hesitant to join the larger colonies in forming a federal government because they were afraid that the views of their citizens would be lost if states were only represented in the legislature based on population. The larger colonies of course had the opposite opinion.
The compromise was to form the House of Representatives were representation would be based on population and form the Senate where every state would have equal representation.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)Obviously they had a good reason for deciding that an insignificant state like Vermont, populated thinly by insignificant people, should have as many senators as the important states where the important people live. Like New York, the home of Wall Street, which obviously is very important.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)However, as I recall, there were a number of colonies back then, especially the Southern ones, which were thinly populated, so the "small colonies" had a lot of numerical clout.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I'm sure that never happens.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)doesn't mean it doesn't happen all of the time.
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)the ones so anxious to snatch defeat from the hands of victory.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)We have doubts about her being able to win in November. We have doubts about her staying true to her newly founded policies and principles she didn't have until sanders entered the mix. Those are our doubts, have you not read them before?
QC
(26,371 posts)(Your ass doesn't count.)
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)President of not. Bernie needs to ensure the democratic leadership is still ok with him. Reid is leaving so that is one person Bernie does not have to worry about. Boxer is leaving to so the two most upset with Bernie are gone in January.
MuseRider
(34,115 posts)with an opinion it is always good to make sure it is known as just that, your opinion unless you don't give a damn what people end up thinking about all of your posts. Just a helpful reminder, thought you should know. I know I don't care for posting things that make me look like an ass.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)nominate our choice or we'll sit home and have a hissy fit? Those kinds of threats?
aspirant
(3,533 posts)we threaten back, how does your loyalty oath medicine taste?
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)agree with St.Bernie...well I don't. His so called ideas are nothing more than talking points that I have heard from others for years.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)we "have heard from others for years" No need "to agree" with them either
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)good luck with that.
Optimism
(142 posts)far more than he needs them. A shame they're not acting that way.
We've been saying this for months now ... if the Superdelegates give Hillary the nomination (as it looks like they will), say hello to President Trump.
I guess the silver lining of that would be that he'd be less likely to start an interventionist war of choice in Syria, Iran, Yemen, etc. I think we know how Hillary would act in that part of the world already.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Especially if they retake the majority the Senate without him.
Remember Vermont is a tiny state and only has 1 member out of 435 in the US House of Representatives. It is only in the Senate were they have equal representation with the other states.
Having one of its two Senators being rendered ineffective would be a heck of a blow to the interests of the Vermont.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Bernie is now the beloved leader for millions of Democrats who will follow wherever he beckons. He is the head of a MOVEMENT, and that movement is large enough to decimate the Democratic Party, should all those people desert.
Only 27 percent of all voters currently identify as Democrats. What happens if half of those leave? They are already disaffected.
When you try to push Bernie out, you are tolling the death bell for the final death of the Democratic Party.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Given your post count I'm guessing that you are Democrat of long standing, but as a Sanders supporter you are in the minority. Note that when primaries were limited only to Democratic voters, Sanders usually lost, often by large margins. His most zealous followers are independents too liberal to be Democrats. Some of them will probably go back to voting for the Green or Socialist Parties. A very large portion of Sanders' voters are young people and every poll I have seen shows that young people will support Hillary over Trump in very large percentages. By and large they are "what have you done for me lately" people not overly concerned about yesterdays hero's. Moderate independents now supporting Sanders will remain moderate independents.
I sincerely hope that by the time the general election is over, Sanders will not deserve any kind kind of retribution. However, if he screws this up, If he continues to turn his supporters against the party, politics is famous for paybacks. However, whatever occurs it will be after the election. You and a few other people for whom politics is a hobby might notice, but hardly anyone else will care.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Establishment Democrats will have no power over Sanders' movement. Any attempt to shame Sanders' people or herd them will have disastrous consequences for the party.
You and the establishment simply have no power over this any longer, except for the power to make it worse.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)...and that by and large is a good thing.
Now he is being advised by a host of reasonable Democratic leaders that he will be responsible for harnessing that enthusiasm behind the Democratic nominee, and it is time to start making that transition now. If in fact he continues to encourage that this enthusiasm be turned against the Democratic Party, as he did in his speech last night, and his followers are no longer willing to follow him when he makes the pivot, then there will be a price to pay.
At that point his followers will no longer care what happens to him because most of them will view him as a turncoat who has betrayed his revolution. He cannot continue to beat his supporters into a frenzy against the party and suddenly turn into a "good Democrat" without repercussions for his popularity and the party. He is being advised by very knowledgeable political operatives, but the choice on how he will proceed is his alone.
Repercussions after the election, should they be necessary, are the least of his worries now.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Go to a Bernie rally. Experience the harmony, the actual joy in the air. The hope for a better future for all is almost palpable at the events.
I was at the "birdie" event. The 14,000 people in that arena were there because of the positive attributes of this man. And they (we) were awash in good cheer and humanity.
The characterizations you (and others) make this week are simply falsehoods. Just not true.
What IS true is that events like NV will break up the party.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Aside from "harmony" and "joy" there is also a lot of passion which has been exhibited at the rallies, on line, etc. This cannot be denied; it is an integral part of the movement. When passion is unrequited one of two things can happen - the passion can be redirected or it will turn to anger, especially when the passionate are lead to believe that they have been unfairly denied their objective.
The only question here is whether after Sanders whips his followers into a frenzy as he did last night, will he be capable of redirecting that passion or has he creating something he cannot control whose anger will be directed at the Democratic Party and even turned back on him if his followers perceive that he has sided with the "enemy" he helped to create.
Right now there are indications that it is anger which is starting leak out. I visualize Sanders as having created a great tiger which he now has by the tail and he can't let go. He will either have to try at this late date to control it or it might devour him, and it take a good sized bite out of the Democratic Party as well. Or it may be that he will have to just hold on for dear live while it runs amuck.
B2G
(9,766 posts)for daring to challenge The Queen.
That's a sure way to win over his supporters.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)off this party through heavy handed tactics, smears, and dishonesty. Is there any sense of decency?
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Dean learned his lesson after the Obama admin totally shut him out and now he's on the Hillary bandwagon.
If you buck the establishment there is retribution.
The Dem establishment has a lot of money and a lot of connections in the business world and if you do not go with them they will make sure you are a permanent outsider.
You can be for illegal immigration since that helps the big guys. You can be for gay rights or minority rights. You can be for all sorts of stuff because that doesn't cost them any money.
However once you start talking raising wages and providing benefits to workers then the mainstream democratic party is going to go after you. Also if you are serious about doing something about trade that is cutting into their bottom line and they are going to go after you big time.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)of cronyism.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)They want to drive independents and progressives away from the Democratic Party to insure continued corporate and Wall Street control
of the party.
The Democratic party official establishment, the rich benefactors of Wall Street, are on the side of the 1/10th of 1 percent, not us.
We get it.
"especially if trump god forbid wins" Which is exactly what will happen if Hillary captures the nomination and drives independents and progressives away from her campaign.
Some "centrist" Democratic candidates have already said they are willing to work with a President Trump!!! I think some of these conservative Republican-lite Democratic officials would rather have Trump as President than Bernie Sanders.
Time for change
(13,718 posts)then I think that his campaign should do some polling to see what his chances are of winning in a 3 way race with Clinton and Trump. I suspect that he could win in a landslide, and if that is the case, then he most certainly should run. No better way to stop Trump from becoming our next President. Clinton will be a very weak candidate.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)BlueStateLib
(937 posts)it doesn't really matter what committees Bernie is on if Trump becomes president
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)The Queen has decreed it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)He wants to use the power, he wants to use the $ from big business, wallstreet, banks, .... as he trashes, attacks and blames.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Okay, not really.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)than they do about Bernie Sanders.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)You sure you're 'alright'? You seem a little unhinged.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Jitter65
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imagine2015
(2,054 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)Why dream up this crap. And seriously, who cares. If this obstruction of free elections continues, Sanders does not need to waste any more of his time in committee meetings or DC for that matter. This would be like threatening to take someone's microwave away just seconds after stealing all of their food!
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)He does not deserve any respect or positions of authority in the party. It's time to start trashing his legacy, the way he has trashed the party.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)and watch what happens when they do.
Do you think people will sit idly by if that was to happen?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)'excite' enthusiasm for the 'revolution' in 2023.
Vinca
(50,302 posts)They hate it that suddenly the whole country knows there's not much of a difference between Democrats and Republicans anymore. Both parties are bought and paid for . . . by the highest bidder. Rank and file voters are just window dressing in a game that has selective rules and pre-determined outcomes.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Roosevelt was a great president and Bernie is nothing like him...Roosevelt got elected and got things done...Bernie talks and talks but does little.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)Say some random crap and then run off - typical
frylock
(34,825 posts)The petty vindictiveness of the Clintons is legendary.
obamanut2012
(26,111 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)It's the party's loss, not Sanders'.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)And the dems will fuck over the veterans....who only Bernie comes through for. So go for it dems.....when it's totally blown up, we will rebuild and "LET THE PEOPLE INTO THE PARTY!"....GO BERNIE!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)legislation out of spite if he lost his committee assignments?
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Y'know that old axiom, "those who fail to learn from history..." Roaring 20's, here we come.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... when it conflicts with a party that has none.
That's a stupid choice for the party to force on fully half of democrats.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)and failed miserably. Go ahead and try to defeat someone with support of 71% of Vermont voters.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)I am beginning to fear for Bernie's safety despite SS protection. nt
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-nevada/
If he loses committee assignments it will be for one of two reasons:
(1) The Dems are as nasty and corrupt as he's been saying all along, or
(2) He's President.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)I don't at this point.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)Bernie isn't the most transparent politician.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)balanced in his reply. Hard to get a politician who's that good these days.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)must fling imaginary poo.
It's just wasted effort that turns even more people against the establishment.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)It's amazing to me how many Clinton supporters in this thread are loudly proclaiming the virtues of party loyalty -- while simultaneously urging the party to go out of its way to alienate nine or ten million Sanders voters.
What else is in your plan for preparing for that tough midterm election? Have a bunch of Democratic committee chairs murder a puppy on live TV?
If thinking that far ahead is too difficult for you, consider just the next Congress. A narrow Democratic majority isn't rock-solid. People get sick, people die, people resign under fire. (Well, Democrats like Anthony Weiner do, anyway. Republican adulterers like David Vitter tend to stay in office.) We have a lot of Senators from states with Republican governors. Just off the top of my head: Massachusetts, Maryland, Florida, Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana. Just in those states I count 9 incumbent Democrats, plus 4 more seats we could easily win this year and one more (Indiana) where we have an outside shot.
I don't want to see a Republican majority in the Senate. I confess, though, that there'd be an element of schadenfreude in seeing vindictive and authoritarian Senate Democrats make a pariah out of Bernie Sanders just out of spite -- and then lose their committee chairships as a result.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)the latest brockian ratfucking meme.
try another one. i'm already bored with it.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Declarative statement followed by pure conjecture. Yay!
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StevieM
(10,500 posts)to believe it.
Richard Wolf even repeated some of the nonsense in his book. He babbled something about Hillary getting the S.O.S. job because Senate Democrats were supposedly angry with her after her campaign.
In actuality she was welcomed back to the senate with her reputation as intact as ever. She was highly coveted on the campaign trail in 2008. And Obama had decided to make her Secretary of State all on his own.
Let's not disrespect Bernie by saying things about him that are untrue.
If Hillary wins the nomination I look forward to hearing Bernie speak in prime time at the convention.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)It's telling that you don't have a basic understanding of what motivates Sanders and his supporters. The standard corruption hooks just can't find any purchase.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)of the superdelegates.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Bernie can be free to continue leading this revolution.
Wednesdays
(17,402 posts)Oh wait...you were serious?