2016 Postmortem

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts) Wed May 18, 2016, 04:01 PM May 2016

"...without taking Clinton's nomination for granted and alienating passionate backers of Sanders..."

Democrats are faced with a delicate balancing act as long as Sanders remains in the primary race, needing to pivot toward Trump without taking Clinton's nomination for granted and alienating passionate backers of Sanders.

Sparring on Tuesday between the Sanders camp and the Democratic National Committee leader over the Nevada events further threatened party unity less than two months before its national convention in July in Philadelphia.

"Unaddressed, the toxic relationship between DNC @ @SenSanders campaign, so evident last night, could cast dark cloud over Philly convention," David Axelrod, a former top Obama strategist, said on Twitter.

UPHILL BATTLE FACES CLINTON: Despite having an almost unassailable lead in the delegates needed to clinch the Democratic nomination, and with the primary battle heading toward the final contests next month, Clinton will need Sanders supporters on her side in the general election.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-final-idUSKCN0Y915Q?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

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"...without taking Clinton's nomination for granted and alienating passionate backers of Sanders..." (Original Post) Miles Archer May 2016 OP

Kind of like a divorcing couple needing to use community property funds libdem4life May 2016 #1

Alienating Sanders supporters ? You attack us daily. Don't play victim now. Own it. Trust Buster May 2016 #2

Do you think Sanders still has a chance? n/t yodermon May 2016 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Miles Archer May 2016 #9

Any writer who thinks Democrats need to "pivot toward Trump" is full of shit. Scuba May 2016 #3

Don't they mean pivot toward opposing Trump? n/t FSogol May 2016 #4

That's how I read it. Miles Archer May 2016 #10

I don't think the authors are rocket scientists. On the other hand, I have seen much worse articles. merrily May 2016 #7

Well the longer a candidate stays in the primaries, the worse it gets apnu May 2016 #6

In 2008, Hillary had a deal to make for 2016. Sanders doesn't and he doesn't owe Hillary or the DNC merrily May 2016 #8

That is true apnu May 2016 #11

Gee, I thought my prior post already covered that. merrily May 2016 #12

I didn't get that at all. apnu May 2016 #13

Well, I did. Let me try again. In 2008, Hillary had a deal to make with Obama, the DNC and whomever merrily May 2016 #14

That I get apnu May 2016 #15

Leverage is worth something only if you want to make a deal. We seem to have gone in a circle. merrily May 2016 #16

You aren't Bernie, nor am I, so we don't know if he wants to deal or not. apnu May 2016 #17

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)

1. Kind of like a divorcing couple needing to use community property funds

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 04:04 PM

May 2016

for opposing attorneys.

Or maybe not, just struck me (having had experience) as similar.

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)

2. Alienating Sanders supporters ? You attack us daily. Don't play victim now. Own it.

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 04:04 PM

May 2016

yodermon

(6,143 posts)

5. Do you think Sanders still has a chance? n/t

Reply to Trust Buster (Reply #2)

Wed May 18, 2016, 04:09 PM

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Miles Archer This message was self-deleted by its author.

Scuba

(53,475 posts)

3. Any writer who thinks Democrats need to "pivot toward Trump" is full of shit.

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 04:07 PM

May 2016

FSogol

(45,520 posts)

4. Don't they mean pivot toward opposing Trump? n/t

Reply to Scuba (Reply #3)

Wed May 18, 2016, 04:08 PM

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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)

10. That's how I read it.

Reply to FSogol (Reply #4)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:03 PM

May 2016

I wouldn't have posted something encouraging the opposite, although I thought it was badly worded and read it several times before coming to that conclusion.

merrily

(45,251 posts)

7. I don't think the authors are rocket scientists. On the other hand, I have seen much worse articles.

Reply to Scuba (Reply #3)

Wed May 18, 2016, 04:13 PM

May 2016

Including from TPP and Pierce.

apnu

(8,758 posts)

6. Well the longer a candidate stays in the primaries, the worse it gets

Reply to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed May 18, 2016, 04:13 PM

May 2016

when the other side is done and getting a head start.

Shouldn't be hard for the Democratic party to sort this out. They have several choices infront of them, which one they choose is anybody's guess.

They could: start incorporating the messages of the two campaigns into one platform

They could: offer Bernie the VP slot now.

They could: offer Bernie good concessions to bow out and campaign for Hillary. Such as a major role in he campaign and at the convention. This idea is kinda close to the first one.

There are probably other options I haven't considered yet.

merrily

(45,251 posts)

8. In 2008, Hillary had a deal to make for 2016. Sanders doesn't and he doesn't owe Hillary or the DNC

Reply to apnu (Reply #6)

Wed May 18, 2016, 04:15 PM

May 2016

squat. Whatever he does for either of them will be out of the goodness of his heart.

Personally, and as a donor, I hope he makes no deal at all.

apnu

(8,758 posts)

11. That is true

Reply to merrily (Reply #8)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:14 PM

May 2016

Sanders holds a lot of convention delegates right now and has nothing to lose. He has considerable leverage if he wants to talk a deal with the DNC and Hillary.

merrily

(45,251 posts)

12. Gee, I thought my prior post already covered that.

Reply to apnu (Reply #11)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:19 PM

May 2016

apnu

(8,758 posts)

13. I didn't get that at all.

Reply to merrily (Reply #12)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:23 PM

May 2016

I'm talking about what kind of leverage Bernie probably has if he wants to make a deal. I don't see you bringing that up in your response to my post.

merrily

(45,251 posts)

14. Well, I did. Let me try again. In 2008, Hillary had a deal to make with Obama, the DNC and whomever

Reply to apnu (Reply #13)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:29 PM

May 2016

because she wanted to run for President in 8 years. Bernie is not going to want that. There is no deal that is comparable to that. In fact, I cannot imagine what they can offer Bernie, aside from the Presidency, that he should want. And he owes Hillary and the DNC less than nothing. Therefore, if he does anything good for them, it will not be because of any deal they were willing to give him, or because he owes them anything. Rather, ti will be out of the goodness of his heart. However, I hope he just moons them and walks away because they've been so crappy to him and his supporters. I hope that's more clear?

apnu

(8,758 posts)

15. That I get

Reply to merrily (Reply #14)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:38 PM

May 2016

I've been adding to your point, not arguing it. I'm saying Bernie has considerable leverage right now. Combined with a "nothing to lose" situation, his leverage is probably greater than Hillary's in 2008. That's all.

merrily

(45,251 posts)

16. Leverage is worth something only if you want to make a deal. We seem to have gone in a circle.

Reply to apnu (Reply #15)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:40 PM

May 2016

apnu

(8,758 posts)

17. You aren't Bernie, nor am I, so we don't know if he wants to deal or not.

Reply to merrily (Reply #16)

Wed May 18, 2016, 05:41 PM

May 2016

We're in a circle because we agree, but say it differently.

Its all good.

Thanks for chatting.

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