2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSalon: Sorry, Bernie: I love you, but this is over — and getting embarrassing
Ive been an unapologetic shill for Bernie Sanders, writing articles, sending small donations and attending rallies, but after the recent debacle in my home state of Nevada, coupled with undeniable delegate math, it has became clear to me that Bernie cannot win the nomination. Its sad for his supporters, like me. But what is more troubling is the heated, false and sometimes vile rage coming out of some Bernie supporters, as they grow ever more frustrated at the loss. Ive worked hard in my own life to embrace progressive values, and the rhetoric coming from some parts of my own community reminds me of the Tea Party.
Bernie should give a rousing speech at the convention and hammer hard at the party platform. Hes changed the conversation for a decade or more, but there is a fine line between supporting a candidate and adopting fact-denying, slanderous behavior that we rightfully condemn when its spewed from the right.
Im from this state and had many friends who attended the Nevada Democratic Convention, both for Hillary and Bernie. I was a precinct captain at the Nevada caucus. When my side won the caucus by a card draw, there were no hard feelings. Hillary supporters are my friends, family, coworkers and people I care about. My wife is for Hillary. As I watched the state convention implode, I was just relived that I didnt attend. There is no good, none whatsoever that comes from creating more hate and discontent in a nation already drowning in outrage.
Despite my warm, abiding love for Bernie, I can count. Hillary won Nevada, and she won the state convention. She has won more states and votes than my guy. Its sad, but Im not a poor loser. Nevada Bernie supporters are furious they werent able to wrest more delegates from a state that Sanders lost. We are better than this. Bernie and his movement have done great things, but all the hard word work and his important message will be lost if our country ends up moving backwards because of this petty, intraparty battle.
more:
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/18/sorry_bernie_i_love_you_but_this_is_over_and_getting_embarrassing/
dchill
(38,516 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)and dignity.
frylock
(34,825 posts)So what's beef?
dchill
(38,516 posts)And signs of danger ahead.
frylock
(34,825 posts)dchill
(38,516 posts)in the Constitution.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)by the behavior of Bernie's supporters at the Nevada convention?
frylock
(34,825 posts)Link, plz?
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Do you not understand what a question is?
Always glad to help.
ques·tion
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noun: question; plural noun: questions
1.
a sentence worded or expressed so as to elicit information.
All of his supporters should have enough maturity, moral integrity and decency to be embarrassed, if not, they are simply liars towing the line and continuing the "we didn't do it" narrative that no one, and I mean no one is buying. In fact supporters are dropping off like flies since the convention and Bernie's non denunciation and reiteration of his campaign's
supposed victim hood. So do continue. It just means this ridiculous clown campaign run by Sanders will be over all the quicker.
Or they are too socially inept to be embarrassed
Or can't grasp what integrity actually means.
Or you're a Hillary supporter. ...whose candidate holds the nomination of the Democratic party.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Do you need a notarized letter?
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hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)Seriously? Uh...seriously???? Sounds totally like something Trump would say.
Very disappointed to see this on DU.
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Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Many have admitted that much.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)wtf
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)I was #6
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It doesn't matter what Hillary "won"
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"vagina voters"? Really? Post seems a little more troll-y than usual.
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Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Going to ignore the rest of that offensive post.
"step up a gear" what does that even mean?
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Your third post and it's not clear if your post is a bad effort at snark, or just plain wight wing bullshit.
I assume "low information voters" = African American voters in the South who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary;
"vagina voters" = women who just want a woman president; "dementia voters" = Hillary's strong support among Democrats older than 45. Way to insult the diverse and strong coalition that has led to Hillary's primary victory.
Take this bullshit back to Freerepublic.
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auntpurl
(4,311 posts)MIRT!
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Your first post on DU, just to tell us that you agree with the disrespect expressed by the previous, now-removed poster.
Something smells fishy...
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auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Fascinating.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)MIRT!
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)IS Edwin Lyngar getting a check
from *correct the record*?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)You can stop with the over-the-top conspiracy theories, ok?
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)It's a fact the Clinton campaign
is spending a million dollars
on internet propaganda.
The Clinton campaign invites
speculation due to their program
of paid shills.
Citing lessons learned from online engagement with Bernie Bros, a pro-Hillary Clinton Super PAC is pledging to spend $1 million to push back against users on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit and Instagram.
Correct the Records Barrier Breakers project boasts in a press release that it has already addressed more than 5,000 people that have personally attacked Hillary Clinton on Twitter. The PAC released this on Thursday.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html
Only an idiot would doubt the reach
of a admited program of paid propagandists.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)NOT Salon, Certainly NOT DU. A million bucks funds about 100 people for 3 months. And considering the total fucking asshole idiots they must deal with day-in-and-day-out, most likely a very high turnover rate.
So, again: Please stop with the over-the-top, unfounded, untrue conspiracy theories.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Conspiracy theory fans can read anything into anything, I guess.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)The admission of propagandizing
the campaign should serve as notice
to anyone with two working brain cells
what's going on.
All that propaganda needs to be poll tested,
trial ballooned and then tried and retried
till it gains traction.
Only an idiot would doubt
the scope of their propaganda
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and setting the records straight was launched with Obama ran his first POTUS candidacy.
Stop with the naivety and understand that EVERY SINGLE CAMPAIGN can be irreparably damaged without those that can and do set the records straight.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)<a href="https://imgflip.com/i/14f3ct"><img src="" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Nothing says ethics and integrity
than employing a smear merchant
to create an online propaganda mill.
Pathetic and morally bankrupt.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)charge every single Hillary voter with getting paid by brock. YOU should be embarrassed at using it constantly but I guess it's all the losing team has now.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)How embarrasses are you of
Bill Clinton's sex scandals?
Are you embarrassed that the
Clinton marriage is fraught
with infidelity?
Think of how embarrassing it is that
we may have an adulterer as the spouse
of our president.
Foreign countries will lose a tremendous
amount of respect for our nation and
voters as a whole if someone with such
lax ethics and morals resides AGAIN
in the White House.
A man who couldn't keep a SACRED VOW
in marriage is expected to keep any promises...
THAT if fucking embarrassing.
Native
(5,943 posts)Having a mistress is commonly accepted elsewhere. I just don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to such a ludicrous post - I really should know better than to respond to red herring fodder.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)nice to know how low
our nation has sunk
morally and ethically.
It's fucking embarrassing
to moral and ethical people...
people who believe in
BEDROCK PRINCIPLES
baldguy
(36,649 posts)THAT'S principled, moral & ethical ... for some people, I guess.
Stallion
(6,476 posts)study a little History. Has no relationship to greatness in a President
Native
(5,943 posts)Presidents are human beings. Face it, what once was outre is now orthodox. Even the Catholic Church is out of the closet.
frylock
(34,825 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Did adultery and everyone knowing about it make JFK any less likable? Make Jackie a figure of scorn? No - that's only reserved for the Clinton's. That's between Bill and Hillary and I couldn't possibly care less what arrangements they made concerning their marriage. Perhaps you don't know any open marriages - I know of several.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)It's embarrassing that some people
won't admit how pathetic the
and immoral sex scandals and the
inevitable coverups a betray trust.
Who trusts a liar and accepts infidelity
in a world leader....
apparently Clinton supporters?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)That's a completely different standard for someone you don't like. That you can't see that is entirely your problem.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I thought only conservatives did that. "Don't vote for Hillary - she can't keep her man. What kind of woman can't keep her man?" If you do want to judge other people's sex lives, then it seems to me that Hillary is the only one who is squeaky clean in this department, unlike her husband the philanderer, and also unlike Bernie, who has been married/in serious relationships multiple times and had a child out of wedlock (not something I care about, but definitely something a woman in politics would have a harder time with), and who wrote some disturbing things about rape fantasies (imagine if Hillary had written something like that).
Hillary's lies? What lies in particular? What about Bernie's? Like the one he's telling his followers about still being able to win the most pledged delegates, or overturning the will of the voters by appealing to the superdelegates?
Hillary's IWR vote? Sure, a mistake to trust the Bush Administration to first let inspections be done before making a final decision on war. Politicians make mistakes. Just ask Bernie - voted for regime change in Iraq, voted against TARP (without which the world would have been hurled into full-scale depression), weak on guns, dumped waste on poor folks, voted for that fighter jet...
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)His betrayal and her lying
are paramount to this election.
They are both morally unfit
to rule this nation.
MaeScott
(878 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I suspect there will be many more Bernie supporters edging away from a campaign that is starting to have the whiff of desperation and volatility about it.
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auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Loads of them, even here on DU.
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bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Digging into his history you can see that he pulls this kind of shit frequently. He's like David Brock lite.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)then a Libertarian and now a 'former Sanders fan who supports Hillary- one could reach the conclusion that Lyngar is a fan of whatever will get him published because his political 'beliefs' certainly seem to pivot and evolve
BootinUp
(47,177 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Bill & Hillary have given them
an endless stream of ammo
Native
(5,943 posts)to supporting Rand Paul, and from there to Bernie. I appreciated these comments of his the most:
The debacle at the Democratic Convention took the emphasis off where it should beon real, honest lunatics...
and
Theres too much denial, conjecture and nonsense being passed among Sanders supporters. I thought liberals were the voice of evidence and reason? My own, 22-year-old, Bernie-loving son regurgitated conservative talking points to me the other day. Hillary and Trump are no different, he said. This is the wet dream of the Trump campaign, to conflate Clinton with an orange buffoon. Hillary has run a good campaign. She is a respected politician with a passionate followingand more votes than my guy. I didnt escape the Fox News echo chamber just to embrace an equally angry liberal version.
bloom
(11,635 posts)But probably won't be until at least after the National Convention. If then.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)It sure appears to me that Bernie has chosen to try to help elect Trump
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)That's about as clueless a comment as anyone could make.
If trump gets elected it will be because Hillary is a lousy candidate. It will have nothing to do with Bernie. It's on her and her supporters.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)and neither are Clinton supporters. Stop your extreme hyperbolic nonsense. It really is unbecoming on posters here.
Under your definition, all the Clinton DUers who have been lying about violence occurring at the Nevada Convention on Saturday (totally debunked lie) are now Teabaggers because they:
1. repeated the lie,
2. at high volumes
3. and insisted that made it true.
See how that works.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The Sanders fans are the ones using RW tactics and emulating the Teabaggers, looking on with admiration when they see what the Teabaggers have done to the GOP, and wondering what they can do to get the same result with the Democratic Party.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Big fail writing your own definition of words.
There's a huge chasm between what you want to convey (projection, actually) with that comment and the simple desire of real Sander's supporters to present the truth about Hillary Clinton.
The frustrating thing about our party is that its presumptive nominee, Hillary Clinton, is such a flawed candidate, that even Right Wingers don't have to lie about her - the truth will do.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Those are your TEA partiers.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)"Surrender Bernie!" articles written by former "ardent" Bernie supporters who have seen the Hillary light.
Bernie says he's in it until all the votes are in. Is that too hard for you Hillfans to understand? I realize that supporting Hillary makes it hard for you to believe a politician could actually mean what he says or that that is a virtue. It's foreign to you.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)It's too bad that BS and his supporters are failing to take responsibility for losing support.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)mcar
(42,366 posts)your biggest media supporter, you know you've lost it all.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And Salon can still go to hell!
Native
(5,943 posts)that leave us with what?
And our good friend HA HA?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Uben
(7,719 posts)Those resources can be used to get our candidate elected in the fall. I understand your query, but I also understand math. It's like continuing to shoot something that's already dead. I'm not a Clinton advocate really, but I do know when enough is enough. There is no realistic conceivable way Sanders will be nominated. If he really wants to support the democrats cause, he would suspend. But, It seems his ego just won't let him. However, that is his prerogative. It will certainly weaken his position in the party though, IMO.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Uben
(7,719 posts)Don't know why CA is the last to vote, but I guess someone has to be. On the other hand, I don't see why we don't have a national primary day where every state votes at the same time. Seems that would be the most prudent, but I guess the big networks couldn't suck all the campaign advertising money out of the candidates and people. I'm all for fairness and don't believe it is fair for Californians to subjected to being discounted by the current way things are done. But, with the current set-up, they are.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)People are going to vote for him whether he has suspended or not and like you said, it's likely to not matter. I actually want him to stay in since their are down ballot races that would benefit (if everyone is informed) from a competitive primary. However, I do think the acrimonious nature of the campaign may weaken his position. Maybe we will all come together in July when things calm down, but I would bet that the senate democrats are getting a bit tired of being thrown under the bus. Bernie's post election influence is directly tied to how well he returns and works with the senate democratic caucus, who at least thought highly enough of him to put him in charge of the budget committee.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)... no binary decisiion there
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I suppose the Last Mohican will be HA Goofman.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Man, Bernie is having a tough week.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Geez. It's a shellacking.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Quit underscoring how bad our candidate is, Bernie!
w4rma
(31,700 posts)won't let her. And her neoliberal supporters are whining about it. Why won't Bernie let Hillary triangulate to what she told the banks in her speeches?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)A yuuuuuge number of people who genuinely supported him are sick of him AND his supporters and are done.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Making excuses for violence will to that for you I guess.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...but isn't 100% clear on what a convention is for.
A real supporter of an agenda like Sanders' ought to be cheering Sanders' arrival at the convention with a big pile of delegates, to see what semi-progressive soup cand be made for a platform.
That's not over until the convention is.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)on whether to believe this Salon.com writer with his politics (I havent the interest or time)
@ http://www.salon.com/writer/edwin_lyngar/