2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI am really tired of anti Democratic shit.
Anyone else? The absurd lies that we all know are absurd lies, but like, word wars are gonna win it.
And the level of insult and attack are at a whole new level of absurd. A mix of Iraqi Bob, and Bushco years. Our Democratic primary, or Party has never been at this level. Republicans? You Betcha, , Lol. But, not Dems. This is one of the things I was really looking forward to with the Democratic primary. Adult conversations, in adult manners.
This has been a surprisingly different kind of primary.
One more month, there about.....
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MFM008
(19,818 posts)I feel like the guy in the desert who sees an Oasis off in the distance.
inch by inch_______>>>>>>>>>>
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Grabbing a bar of soap, and then commune with the water.
And Breathe. Lol.
I need an attitude adjustment.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Like DWS?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)before they changed it to "progressive" because conservatives made the word "liberal" a profanity.
Terms like Democrat and Republican have pretty much lost their meaning since most Democrats in the leadership today would have been called Republicans back when I was growing up.
And before you ask, I hang around at DU because on occasion I run into other liberals.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)like many liberals. Oh well...
What you hoped to achieve there I don't know. Shall we get into HRC's embracing of "moderate" and "avoidance" of the word?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Of vehicle as you do does not make me not a liberal but accepting the fact I purchased a different color vehicle than you and you do not judge me for my choice then it makes you a liberal.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)but more like the type of car and how people drive it. You now, gas guzzlers versus electrics, driving with consideration for the law, pedestrians and other motorist, versus driving like you are in a Mad Max movie.
A person can't claim to be a liberal, yet support eternal war, war crimes, deregulation, reckless fossil fuel use, restrictions on abortion, the death penalty, the current prison system, etc.
It is possible to disagree on one or two of these issues and still claim to be a liberal, but once you get beyond to, the argument gets weaker and weaker.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Action many times more than Hillary, has voted for regime change and voted five times against the Brady Bill and we have on average of 80 people dying in the US from him violence, this has left us with perpetual war in the US.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Also, which war criminal is he consulting with? How many illegal wars did he vote for? I certainly disagree with him on gun control, but there is a whole forum on this site that agrees with him. You name one of the few areas I agree with HRC and disagree with Sanders.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)right?
Just like cause Snaders makes his demands of us, doesn't mean we have to comply. Just fuckin' laughing my ass off.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)being:
Pro-torture
Pro-war
Pro-assassination
Pro-Wall Street
Pro-prison
Pro-privatization
Pro sexual predator (as long as the predator has a "D" after his name)
Pro-drilling
Pro-coal
etc, etc, etc...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)All of those are HRC positions--that's a fact.
riversedge
(70,270 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Your candidate is the one bragging about her friendship with the worst American war criminal of the 20th Century.
840high
(17,196 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)We can play dumb games too.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)That still puts him about 1/10 as wrong as HRC.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)if talking to a group of Hunters like Hillary did in Pennsylvania. This is another issue Hillary took both sides on in both 08 and now . So much so Barack Obama made a joke about her all of a sudden being Annie Oakley. If anything about her is consistent it's her inconsistency.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Boxer, Lange, Nina, Cecile, and more and more women. We have had an awfully strong voice. We have also seen the reflective, easy, sexist slur. Hence my point over the years. Rolls can't roll off our back. They are used for a reason. That must be called out. A man was calling that out, who? Dean? I really appreciate this.
I digressed, Lol.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Healthcare for every american, without insurance profiteers, and including dental and vision
an end to capital punishment
Drastic cuts to the pentagon budget
Significant draw down of troops in every war started since Too Stupid To Be President took office
Tax-funded public education for everyone who qualifies, and an end to for-profit charter schools and other such rackets
Reinstatement of Glass-Steagall
Expansion of Social Security benefits
$15.00 national minimum wage
Progressive income tax with a top marginal bracket of at least 43%
Reinstatement and enforcement of usury laws
An immediate end to fast track for TTP and TTIP
DWS and Hillary are against all of those things. Please don't tell me who's liberal.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Does not make myself, DWS or Hillary not being a liberal, progressive or Democrat just as having your platform does not make you a liberal, progressive or Democrat.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Ignorance is within all of us, but when you start believing that tripe about "you must not be a Democrat" IF you don't support the DLC or DWS, that is the BIGGEST hook, line and sinker lie every believed.
That is a lie repeated over and over and over, and it's high time someone called it for what it is. If you defend that as an insult, you need to do a little soul searching.
This is an abomination to thinking liberal and progressives everywhere, and if you can't see how it's already RUINING the Democratic party, then you better take off those blinders soon.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Did you call me, "ignorant"?
You jumped on a post not directed to you, didn't you?
If you don't like what I post, "ignore" is your friend. It's also mine!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Adelson is a republican and a trump booster.
Why the fuck is she above criticism?
griffi94
(3,733 posts)It's almost over tho.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I don't know where the line will be drawn
bigtree
(86,005 posts)Cop: "did you throw a chair at your wife?"
Man: "No, I just did this."
Cop: "You have the right to remain silent."
M.S. Bellows, Jr. ?@msbellows 7h7 hours ago
"No chairs were thrown."
M.S. Bellows, Jr. ?@msbellows 7h7 hours ago
Again: CHAIR.
M.S. Bellows, Jr. ?@msbellows 7h7 hours ago
The Chair That Overturned Roe v. Wade:
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)This is what happened. You know it, or you wouldn't keep posting stupid pictures of a chair that had NOTHING to do with hateful lies in just about every one of your posts.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...this behavior is out of bounds.
You folks don't get to steal that election with the disruption and the intimidation; and the weasly words about 'hateful lies' are just a sad projection of the phoniness behind this attempt of the Sanders camp to subvert the will of the people who voted for Hillary Clinton in NV.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I suppose one can't blame those who don't understand because they're too busy forgetting to take their blinders off.
Every comment that comes across about loud and threatening protesting delegates at the state convention in NV is one more piece of evidence that people cover their ears, eyes and go, "lah-lah-lah-I-can't-hear-you!" when IN FACT, THESE THINGS DID NOT HAPPEN.
You get it now? No. No, you don't... You ignore that actual footage, then spin with a red face and foam at the mouth. You must really not like the fact that people congregating at an actual delegation who expected Robert's Rules NOT to be thrown out, were actually not going to let it go un-noticed.
No, we are not coiled up in a little ball in submission. We actually are showing the truth, which is so refreshing compared to liars who are supposed to represent us ... just like THIS one... Yeah, she's saying hello to us all...
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts)...this behavior isn't progressive, it's self-serving and anti-democratic.
The denials and deflections coming from Sanders supporters are a cherry on top of this turd pie.
frylock
(34,825 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Such a gentleman.
Actor
(626 posts)"I wont vote for that woman" brigade to blow this could ultimately lead to education of what the political process is actually about and has been since day one.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)"I look for silver linings but you're rotten to the core"
Actor
(626 posts)Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)Gut Feeling, From "Are We Not Friends" Album
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)But, I am really not concerned with Trump> When this is all said and done, we will kick ass, and easily. IMO. So, I am good with this. Us Dems really do kick ass. We just have to get past this shit, to get on with the ass kickin. I am kinda excited about that. I live in very red. This is going to be an hoot.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...in a nutshell.
k&r
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Said poster?
QC
(26,371 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)sheshe2
(83,846 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)mcar
(42,366 posts)It's quite distressing.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Lots. And Lots, every where I turn. Lol.
Broward
(1,976 posts)And Hillary's Iraq War vote.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)And I'm tired of their lies. I'm tired of them shoving a candidate who's values - as far as we can tell - align with republicans' agenda.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I support none of them.
In addition, I am vehmently opposed to the death penalty. Clinton supports it.
It's pathetic when we have to go outside the party to recruit the best Democrat.
P.S. I have been a Democrat my entire voting life. And an active campaigner for Democrats even longer than that.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Inconvenient facts.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)well, no wine tonight so I guess my tea.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)With a DC Federal Judge appointed by Clinton making comments after the depositions, there may be some dusting off of the indifference.
Kind of like defending a cheating spouse, at some point in time it's just not worth the effort any more. Just leave, or stay...consequences vary.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)Now lets get back to who is the real democrat ?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)1. Hillary is fully in support of LGBT rights and I agree with her
2. I agree with her no comment.
3. I support some of Patriot Act and oppose some.
4. I agree with her.
5. That is not a correct portrayal of Hillary's positions.
6. Again, not a correct portrayal of Hillary's positions.
7. Again, not a correct portrayal of Hillary's positions. Many liberal economists think her plan to reign in Wall Street abuses is better than Bernies.
8. I am neutral on Free Trade. It's more complicated than a simple yes or no.
9. Not an accurate portrayal of contributions to Hillary. Bernie says he wants money out of campaigns but has raised a ton.
10. Not an accurate portrayal of Hillary's positions on climate change.
11. I am against Keystone, but its not high on my list of priorities.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)We have profound disagreements, but I appreciate your gesture.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)To quote DU:
"We don't need your vote."
"We don't want your vote."
"Aww, no unicorn for you."
"It's math."
"Feel the math."
"It's math, stupid."
"That's where the boys are."
"You aren't a real democrat."
"Grow up."
"Get over your tantrum."
"Stop acting like a spoiled brat."
"We're gonna need more foil."
"You're wasting your time."
"You're wasting your money."
"You're losing."
"You hateful/sexist/racist BernieBros."
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)GOTV!
BooScout
(10,406 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you were taking a fun little trip.
So good to see you.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)I may have to wait a month or so though, lol
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)The oldest fourth year. We are getting there. I am so done on graduation night. I too get to graduate. Lots of excitement.
LexVegas
(6,088 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)See what you started , or I am assuming with your name. Da chairs... Lol. Oh know. It reminds me of our time on DU with Da doors. I am not remembering the poster but, ya. Thanks for the laugh. Unintended, I know.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)That is FAR more upsetting to me.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is. But I am tired of it. We are going to get enough from Repugs.
Throd
(7,208 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I appreciate your grounded conversation on DU?
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)"we" gave up all pretext that we're liberals, progressives, and/or Democrats.
I think a lot of it comes from people pretending to be someone they aren't. The problem is that it's becoming more difficult to tell who they might be in the barrage of nonsense that gets posted.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)It will be interesting to see what the guys have come up with. I have been here lots, and lots of years. Opportunities abound.
oasis
(49,398 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)On Thu May 19, 2016, 06:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I am really tired of anti Democratic shit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512007855
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Disruptive flamebait, this kind of nasty rhetoric does nothing but encourage people to hurt each other.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu May 19, 2016, 06:41 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Really? This got alerted? Take a deep breath.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This alert is an excellent example of "a whole new level of absurd."
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop these ridiculous alerts.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I've seen some frivolous alerts, but this pretty much tops them all. Now we can't even call for civility?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Someone int he thread made a comment with my list of hides. I am good with it, Lol.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...I've mentally moved on, and then Bernie keeps dragging me back to the useless circus show that is now the death throws of this Primary season.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)experience.
Like I said, Kinda like Iraqi Bob and Bushco. Bushco was dangerous though... Interesting and damaging. This one doesn't reach that. I do believe that enough have paid attention and we have this.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Don't listen to all the lies and false attacks.....
Don't quit now !!!!
GO BERNIE,,
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Regardless of being in opposite camps, on all other issues, I have been in agreement with you> That is important.
You are solid with women issues and I thank and appreciate that.
I like who you are.
I mean.... you are a favorite. I do not like that you feel this way. But, I respect your position. How you see things.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm frustrated. I look towards November, and I see two options for progressivism: "lose" and "lose harder." And I look around, and I see a bunch of people who seem perfectly happy, even elated by that.
I'm not "Bernie or Bust" - it's a stupid movement, Bernie isn't going to jump the ticket (and couldn't get on ballots if he tried) and write-ins are literal throwaway votes. But I can't say for certain what I'll do come November. I can't vote agaisnt myself, is the thing.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I've sworn them off. If they want to nominate a weathervane that believe that everything up to the bodily autonomy of women is up for negotiation, then they can elect that weathervane without me.
My general election vote belongs to Bernie Sanders.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I have to wonder if the TOS is ever going to be enforced around here again.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I hope it will be interesting. Administration has brought us a lot of different things over the years.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Amen, sister!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)OOOOoooops.
Righteous, Lol.
Thank you Bobbie Jo.
Throd
(7,208 posts)The two aren't interchangeable.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)and have abandoned the Democratic Party of Franklin Roosevelt.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)BootinUp
(47,177 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I suspect more will
I am looking forwards to the day when my local state party has the same issues keeping the lights on as the Republicans.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It is anti-truth, however, to keep insisting that Bernie doesn't care about defending women, LGBTQ people, or POC. He always cared just as much about those battles as he does about economic justice, and there is NO conflict between the struggles for "economic justice" and the struggles for "social justice". We are all committed to justice for all.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I am too, that's why I support Bernie.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)the electoral college, super delegates, party bosses, free speech areas, the DNC, triangulation, and politicians who collaborate with Republicans.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)I just keep reminding myself, she will be the nominee. It's almost over. This is all just noise.
VOX
(22,976 posts)As long as Democratic factions are locking antlers, the right wing gets a breather and maybe an uptick in a poll somewhere.
The Republican tsunami of serious shit is headed this way -- Democrats need to brace for it, and not waste this critical time by clobbering each other. It just feeds the opposition, as if they needed any help with going negative.
Heavy sigh.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)On a dem site and insult dems in the most vile means and commit to voting against a dem if their candidate loss the nomination.
Says a lot about those posters. Sure will be happy with their departure.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)I agree with you.
betsuni
(25,589 posts)Hysterical, panting hate against Democrats and their supporters, dozens of OPs by the same ol' people. I only wish we could tell them exactly what we think of them without getting alerted on. Spare the rod, spoil the child.
Number23
(24,544 posts)supporter.
I mean, who freaking cares that the man went to jail, right? Who CARES that he has a mug shot now that's been plastered all over the freaking universe by now, right?
What he did is INFINITELY worse than the HUNDREDS of Sanders supporters who rushed the stage at the Nevada convention, who left profane messages including death threats and calling a woman a "cunt" on her voice mail, who ripped up a child's Hillary sign and screamed profanities YET AGAIN at Hillary supporters who left a pro-Hillary rally, who were arrested for threatening a public servant, who posted the home phone numbers of superdelegates so that anything at all could happen to them, and who called a sitting Senator a "bitch" before the entire world?
That one guy WHO WENT TO JAIL for beating up a Sanders supporter is INFINITELY worse than all of those HUNDREDS of Sanders supporters. One guy, one BLACK guy, is obviously infinitely greater than the hundreds of Sanders supporters with multiple screws loose. Is this that pesky #berniemath shit again???