...he's going to get the back of delegates' heads if he tries this at the convention.

More than that, he's inviting us to ensure his downfall.

the clinton campaign and dws and their lies and manipulations have brought it upon the democratic party.

Hillary has won more delegates and more votes than Bernie.

Does Bernie want the super delegates to do for him what the Supreme Court did for George W Bush?

of pledged delegates and votes are yet to be determined by the states which haven't voted yet.

Apparently even Oregon is still counting its votes and Bernie's margin of victory in that primary is increasing but the corporate media conglomerates have largely forgotten to update the American People on that development.

Hillary lined up hundreds of those super-delegates for commitment before the first debate was held much less caucus or primary, many lined up publicly even before all the candidates announced that they were running.

The corporate media conglomerates despite being warned not to have continuously included super-delegates in Hillary's total as an obvious propaganda means of influencing, disillusioning or discouraging the people from actually voting for another candidate and having a say in the matter.

The superdelegates don't vote until the convention and all manner of things can happen between now and then.

That comes with building relationships over years of being a party member, raising money for down-ticket candidates (many of them those very super delegates) — that's how it works in political parties.

But Sanders wanted no part of being in the party for years and years, that is until he realized he need national recognition and inclusion in the TV debates under the Democratic Party brand.

He knew he wasn't going to get any of that outside of New England as an independent, self-avowed socialist.

or otherwise and what some people see as "building relationships" others see as buying off or political intimidation, the fact is none of them should commit until the people have voted.

Bernie not only caucused with the Democrats, he co-founded and lead for eight years the largest caucus in the Democratic House.

He didn't want to. It was his decision.

Can't blame Hillary because he was late to the party, so to speak.

officially became a member of the party.

Some people seem to believe that. It's really puzzling to see the results of democracy in action and the demands that those votes shouldn't really matter.

why his colleagues in the house and senate can't stand him.

Right from the get-go, that was the biggest "tell" about Bernie.

When your congressional colleagues, the people who have worked with you and know you best, won't endorse you, support you, or even speak up on your behalf, there's something to be taken from that - and it ain't something good.

Haven't heard that. I'd guess he is shy on endorsements because he hasn't been selling himself.

DC wants a back rub at the very least.

Bernie runs on his principles.

Disconcerting to those that have none.

... when he sued the DNC for shutting down his computer access while they investigated his campaign staff accessing HRC's data?

Where did his "principles" go when he continued to rant about the corrupt, self-serving whores in the party he is allegedly running for?

Where did his "principles" go when he called Hillary "unqualified" to be POTUS?

Where did his "principles" go when he called southern states "Confederate states" whose voters should be ignored?

Where did his "principles" go when he learned that his supporters were swarming the FB pages/websites of people like John Lewis and leaving vile comments because he didn't endorse Bernie, and he stood by and said nothing?

Where did his "principles" go when he continued to tell his donors to send more money because he can still win the nomination - long after he KNEW he couldn't?

"Bernie runs on his principles?" As things have turned out, he doesn't seem to have any to run on.

Most people are just too tired of all the manufactured outrage from Camp Clinton to engage, which is why I won't beyond this. When Hillary Clinton is asked 3 times in an interview whether Bernie is qualified and refuses to say "yes", she said he's unqualified in the sense that ordinary human beings understand, and the typical Clintonian word-parsing way, and subsequent attempts to play the victim just fall flat. Most of us have no time for more of debating the definition of the word "is".

And if you don't think money isn't a corrupting influence in the Democratic Party and doesn't affect priorities or policy because hey, it's the Democratic Party, well, you're backing the right candidate. Debbie Wasserman Schultz didn't remove the fundraising restrictions on lobbyists for the heck of it.

... of all the manufactured outrage from Camp Clinton to engage."

And yet MOST people who voted in the primaries voted for Hillary.

Sad. Go sell her.

More votes and more delegates that is.

Isn't that what this whole primary thing is about?

Suing the DNC for access to his data was reasonable. Access to his data would not interfere with the investigation as was done anyway.

Some people are corporate whores even if you don't like the phrase.

HRC is unqualified to reach to goals Bernie seeks and even HRC, the no we can't candidate, admits it.

Bernie didn't call the southern states that went for HRC the "confederate states".

Bernie supporters gave John Lewis hell for his cynical and purposefully misleading statement about "not seeing Bernie Sanders" in civil rights activities when Sanders' activities were well documented.

As long as it is possible for Bernie to win Bernie can ethically ask for money to win. Donations are an issue for his donars and they can do the math just as well as you.

I'll take Bernie's principles over the likes of yours and HRC's any day. Aren't you the DUer who wrote that you were "over the Hill" in a scathing condemnation of her character?

... that no one has reached the required number of delegates yet, you are still not offering any viable path for Bernie to win the nomination.

It's easy to say that despite the fact that the horse I bet on is miles behind the horse that is three feet from the finish line, my horse can still win.

And no apology was necessary for being "snippy" - I think we all are at this point in the horse-race.

I have no problem with Bernie staying in it 'til the end. What I DO have a problem with is his urging donations on the basis that he can still win when he KNOWS he can't, and his continued attacks on HRC and the Party, when he KNOWS those attacks won't get him anywhere closer to the finish line.

Which is good. We (Sandernistas) represent the progressive segment of our party, and we are still essential to Democratic success, particularly down the ballot. Sanders is correct in that large numbers of people ave negative views of both Trump and Clinton, but Clinton scores less negative in most polls. I think she realizes that, and can work with it.

...just a moment of anger.

Support for capital punishment, support for constitutional amendment banning late term abortion, opposition to single payer heath care, and so on. I hope these are just rare anomalies, but it's hard to tell.

to Latino communities and his supporters accused of intimidating Hillary voting Latino workers in Nevada. Some of that seems very familiar to things said about Bernie and his supporters this year, but the 'I shot ducks' material is not included in this cycle...

"Hillary Clinton voted against the nuclear waste dumping in Yucca Mountain in Nevada, while on the other hand Barack Obama actually took money from the company that was creating the nuclear waste and wanted to dump it in Nevada. And it’s interesting that in Nevada, where she got almost 59 percent of the Latino vote, in spite of the oppression and the voter suppression and huge intimidation on the part of the Obama supporters of the Latino casino workers, they voted for Hillary."
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on


"I've hunted. My father taught me how to hunt. I went duck hunting in Arkansas. I remember standing in that cold water, so cold, at first light. I was with a bunch of my friends, all men. The sun's up, the ducks are flying and they are playing a trick on me. They said, 'we're not going to shoot, you shoot.' They wanted to embarrass me. The pressure was on. So I shot, and I shot a banded duck and they were surprised as I was," Clinton said drawing laughter from the crowd.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clintons-hunting-history/

"it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."

Factually false. Clinton has promoted more progressive cause in a lifetime than sanders has even considered.

He really said that??

"We need a campaign, an election, coming up which does not have two candidates who are really very, very strongly disliked. I don't want to see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils," the senator told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos during an interview that will air on "This Week" Sunday.

I keep trying to find the good in the man, and I keep getting kicked in the teeth for the effort..

because it doesn't fit his narrative. Hillary supporters have a hard time swallowing that their candidate is terribly unappealing, disliked, untrusted, but mostly doesn't represent their values - all of which show up in polling, in case anyone decides to alert.

but, your misleading op is left to you to rectify, bigtree.

What he said was factual, Hillary has historically high unfavorable ratings.

...it almost makes me regret that she held back on the types of attacks on him that she's been subjected to for decades...almost.

Thankfully, he's toast, and this fuckery should put the lid on his appeal.

So don't be too regretful.

And her strategy has proven to be the right one.

the slowed down living wage "compromise", privatization of social security & medicare, the privatized prison industry and more are all supported and pushed by hillary.

she participated in the writing & negotiating of the tpp and tpip on behalf of the interests of corporations - not american workers.

all of the above will bring further unnecessary hardships upon the working class and the 99%. yes, this is evil when greed and money are more important than social, economic and the quality of water, air, earth.

how about the lies and manipulations of the american people by the clintons, overall. we cannot leave out bill. she has already warned us. he will be in the thick of things should she be nominated and elected.

when a person serves one's own self interests for money and power for one's own and those of the 1% and forsakes the 99% to continue struggling to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads - yes, this is evil.

Trump has high unfavorable ratings because of what he has said himself. To not acknowledge that or recognize that, even in passing, is irrational & flies in the face of reality.

... as is Trump, who also has high unfavourables.

Looks like those "unfavourable" numbers have sweet fuck-all to do with how people are voting.

Polls based on terms like "favourability" or "trustworthiness" are meaningless, as individual voters interpret those terms in a myriad of different ways.

Eg: "Do you think Bill Clinton is trustworthy"?

Trustworthy as what? As a president? As a former president? As the founder of the Clinton Foundation? As a friend, or a confidant? As a dad, or a grand-dad? As a husband? As a campaigner? As a golfer? As a baseball fan?

Such open-to-interpretation questions are meaningless.

Anyone can be caught in an unattractive still shot.

He's telling the truth that his primary opponent has high unfavorability numbers.

He's also ALL ALONE in telling the truth about the bought system. Maybe that's why so few of his bought colleagues are "supporting" him.

This OP is really stupid.

$250 to the Hillary campaign.

I remember not agreeing with you much in 2008. Nice to be on your side this time around.

I'd save it. She has the wealthy and elite buying favors in huge contributions. Seriously, why contribute? The 1% got this.....

Confirmed here [link:http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/280815-sanders-americans-see-clinton-as-lesser-of-two-evils|http://thehill.com

It's becoming clear to me now that Bernie does not intend to seek unity once the election is over, probably won't endorse Clinton, and would rather see Trump elected.

Sigh.

He's certainly not going to see any of his agenda advanced after President Trump gets us all blown up.

when he is stripped of his committee appointments and is no longer the minority chair of anything.

Bullshit pic doesn't help.

..as evidence of how the subject feels now?

Might as well go to a body-language 'expert' like Bill O'Reilly.

That We the people has spoken and time to move to the next phase. We know Trump is not going to push for a progressive ideas and therefore not a choice for me. Sanders can guide his supporters.

The Democratic nominee and the key issues being advocated from the top of the ticket on down. It's the voters who are important.

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Him and Trump are terrible. Neither one needs to be anywhere near the White House. Hillary Clinton is far from perfect, but Sanders and Trump are really scary to me. That screencap is creepy.

...the irrelevancy ballot.

That's the ticket.

Will your vote for the lesser of two evils decide the outcome of the election?

Neither will mine.

...of all the self-righteous bullshit rolling off of that campaign, this tops it.

Try making progressive changes without the support of our Democratic coalition.

NT

I started this primary neutral, and leaning slightly towards Bernie. I was an Obama supporter last time around, and in fact did not like Hillary much. I resolved to keep an open mind this time. Soon, though, the negative tone from the Bernie camp against Hillary started to bother me, and after datagate I switched my allegiance completely to Hillary. That incident showed a kind of pettiness in the Sanders campaign that bothered me. I still retained my respect for Bernie, though. That respect is all gone now. His insistence to continue attacking Hillary while he knows damn well she will be the nominee, his bizarre argument that the SD's should elect him, all show to me a small man on a big ego trip, who is willing to risk the election of one of the most dangerous GOP nominees ever, continuing to attack the presumptive Democratic nominee. All for the sake of his own ego.

Bernie is a sore loser. I am completely done with him.

That really sums it up nicely.

That's what candidates do during primaries.

Some states haven't voted yet. HRC doesn't have a majority of pledged delegates.

And Clinton isn't the nominee--presumptive or otherwise.

Get used to it.

of what he has said. Purely focused on the entitled, white, middle/upper middle and men.

I wasn't big on Clinton either. That is where I had to be open minded. Listening to the supporters when lies were posted to find the truths.

But I do think it is little man with a huge ego.

And now we have video evidence of such. I'm just happy that very few people will remember his name in a few years, and his impact on our country will be minimal.

...for banks a long time ago.

His pitch to Congress would have been, I'm a socialist but even I'm against this banking regulation. He'd have made millions.

character, mood, and intent.

"I ain't got nothin' for you all"

That was 'tech-befuddled Grandma' Hillary, 'Gee whiz I don't know how to program the DVR' Hillary.

A little tough to reconcile that one with 'IT expert, we need a manhattan project to defeat strong encryption' Hillary, who showed up about a month later, though.

We already know that the server is Sanders only chance at being the nominee.

Might want to get that checked out.

As it is, I suspect she'll be the nominee. Which means we -all of us- are well and goodly fucked if it turns out there is an actual problem with the actual, you know, FBI.

But in that case I'm sure Biden will drop through the ceiling like Batman, and Biden is probably the only Democrat except Debbie Wasserman Schultz even worse on the drug war than HRC is. So it's not an eventuality I'm jonesin' for.

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Carry on, dear.

Care to explain, though, why someone who claims not to know what "wipe a server" means should be in charge of telling silicon valley they're not allowed to produce secure tech products to sell to consumers and businesses?

Because, you know, I'm a giant goofhat with no idea what I'm talking about.

Unlike Bernie Sanders, I'm not going to pretend I'm not going to pretend that I'm right all the time. I made an inaccurate prediction, call the damn police.

Geez, I'd think you'd appreciate it.

that tells a big story.

is a big ole goofy doofy:



Gee, the unflattering picture thing is really stupid, isn't it?

Democrats at one time had standards.

That's why there's clowns and elephant shit everywhere.

I know some people have been disappointed by him, but I wish we could keep him for another term.

I mean, I'm glad she didn't, but he's had it exceptionally easy, all the while taking potshots from the cheap seats.

Sid

Tit for tat in politics can get ugly real fucking quick. They've been playing softball this whole time. Even as Sanders says stuff he has to walk back the next day.

Or in this case, within seconds of being questioned about it.

Sid

I guess that means we shouldn't have opinions that differ from the rich.

"I just got back from the auto da fé"

"Auto da fé? What's an auto da fé"

"What you oughta not do, but you did anyway"

Well, I guess the Inquisition was "renaissance", strictly...

Wasn't there one of those batshit "I'm not saying it was aliens but it was aliens" people who said the ancient Hebrews had figured out how to make a giant dry cell battery and that was what the Ark was?