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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:51 AM May 2016

"Most independents are just partisans who are turned off by partisanship."

For your reading pleasure: http://www.thenation.com/article/what-everyone-gets-wrong-about-independent-voters/

An excerpt:



While around four-in-10 voters say they’re independents, very few are actually swing voters. In fact, according to an analysis of voting patterns conducted by Michigan State University political scientist Corwin Smidt, those who identify as independents today are more stable in their support for one or the other party than were “strong partisans” back in the 1970s. According to Dan Hopkins, a professor of government at the University of Pennsylvania, “independents who lean toward the Democrats are less likely to back GOP candidates than are weak Democrats.”

While most independents vote like partisans, on average they’re slightly more likely to just stay home in November. “Typically independents are less active and less engaged in politics than are strong partisans,” says Smidt.

Rising polarization—and the increasingly personal and nasty nature of our politics—has had a paradoxical effect on the American electorate. On one hand, the growing distance between the two major parties has contributed to a dramatic decrease in the number of true swing voters. Smidt found that low-information voters today are as aware that there are significant differences between the two major parties as well-informed people were in the 1970s, and people who are aware of those differences tend to have more consistent views of the parties’ candidates. At the same time, says Smidt, many people who vote consistently for one party say they’re independents because they “view partisanship as bad” and see claiming allegiance to a party “as socially unacceptable.”
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"Most independents are just partisans who are turned off by partisanship." (Original Post) Garrett78 May 2016 OP
There are voters who don't know what the parties The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #1
Very interesting article CajunBlazer May 2016 #2
Regardless of what they call themselves... Garrett78 May 2016 #4
Yep, and our Sanders friend believe a lot more of the myths than you and I do CajunBlazer May 2016 #6
Indies split about 45/45 left/right with about 10% actual independents. JaneyVee May 2016 #3
The only thing in there that shocked me ContinentalOp May 2016 #5
Yep, they apparently haven't looked real closely and Sanders proposals CajunBlazer May 2016 #7
No, I think they mean overall. It's toward the end of the article. ContinentalOp May 2016 #9
Which is why I wrote the following: Garrett78 May 2016 #10
Well, not in a Clinton vs. Trump matchup CajunBlazer May 2016 #11
That surprised me a bit, as well. Garrett78 May 2016 #8
 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
1. There are voters who don't know what the parties
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:56 AM
May 2016

Stand for. Those man on the street questions on late night where your average person can name the bright thing in the sky are real.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
2. Very interesting article
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:35 PM
May 2016

I love "fact base" information. What is interesting is the article on independents being much more partisan than commonly believed didn't even mention the Sanders supporters who are far too liberal to be Democrats and the Tea Party people who are so conservative they no long view themselves as Republicans. Those folks may vote for a third party candidate, be they certainly aren't going to cross the aisle to vote for the opposing candidate.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
4. Regardless of what they call themselves...
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

...the bottom line is that the vast majority are party loyalists. One of the most interesting things from the article is that studies show today's "independents" are actually more partisan than devout party loyalists were a few decades ago.

The myth of who independents are is one of many, many false beliefs that a good lot of DU posters subscribe to.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
5. The only thing in there that shocked me
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

was the fact that white millennials lean more Republican that Democratic.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
7. Yep, they apparently haven't looked real closely and Sanders proposals
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

They are apparently just caught up in the hype of free college and wiping out student loan debt.

But I didn't get the impression that they leaned Republican - polls show they will overwhelming support Hillary in the GE. They are just a lot more moderate than typical than the average Sanders voters.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
9. No, I think they mean overall. It's toward the end of the article.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:54 PM
May 2016
White millennials are almost evenly split in their partisan leanings—they favor Republicans by a 45-43 margin—while non-whites in this age group identify as or lean toward Democrats by a massive 61-23 margin.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
11. Well, not in a Clinton vs. Trump matchup
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

The links below cite three different polls of millennials to determine their preference for Clinton or Trump in the general election. As you can see in each of the polls it's not even close. Note that in the last poll Hillary's support is broken down by demographics: "Among whites, she'd be backed by nearly 2-1, 45%-26%.

NRP article: [link:http://|Millennials Yearn For Bernie, But Prefer Clinton To Trump]]http://www.npr.org/2016/04/25/475658752/harvard-poll-millennials-yearn-for-bernie-but-prefer-clinton-to-trump

Sixty-one percent of 18-to-29 year-olds prefer that a Democrat be elected president in the fall, while 33 percent of those surveyed back a Republican. That gap of 28 percentage points has nearly doubled since a similar poll conducted last year, when the difference was just 15 percentage points with Democrats again in the majority.

Millennials don’t like Donald Trump, a Harvard Institute of Politics poll released Monday shows.

Hillary Clinton crushes Trump among millennials, who would overwhelmingly support the former secretary of state over the real estate mogul in a general election. Clinton holds a 36-point advantage over Trump, 61 percent to 25 percent, with 14 percent undecided.

Poll shows that Millennials would flock to Clinton against Trump

Opposition to Trump nearly unites the rising generation.

In a hypothetical Clinton v. Trump contest in November, voters under 35 would choose Clinton by a crushing 52%-19%, a preference that crosses demographic lines. Among whites, she'd be backed by nearly 2-1, 45%-26%. Among Hispanics, by more than 4-1, 61%-14%. Among Asian Americans, by 5-1, 60%-11%. Among African Americans, by 13-1, 67%-5%.


Now if they will just get off of their cans and vote.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
8. That surprised me a bit, as well.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:26 PM
May 2016

On the bright side, they're split fairly evenly, unlike non-millennial white folks.

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