2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Delegate Whistleblower at NV State Convention: We Were Told
The Clinton delegate whistleblower says that they were told that party leaders could "scrub anyone they wanted to". She says that they were also told that the statement came from above -- i.e. Roberta Lange.
I just have this to say about anyone who tried to tell us that the 58 Sanders delegates at the NV State Convention who were decertified were done so for any legitimate reason: they were either very ignorant of the facts, very naive or very dishonest.
Well, maybe now our national "news" media will have to retract some of the ugly spin against Bernie and his delegates that they've been reporting about what happened at the NV State Convention. But I doubt that they will.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Are they even now?
Time for change
(13,714 posts)Last edited Sun May 22, 2016, 11:47 AM - Edit history (1)
The 58 delegates were all at the convention. When they were decertified based on the excuse that they were not legally registered Democrats, they strenuously objected to the decertification (because they all knew that they were legally registered Democrats), but Roberta Lange did not even give them a chance to defend themselves against the de-certification and the charge that they were not legally registered Democrats.
Furthermore, if they were not legally registered Democrats, how on earth did they ever get certified, first at the local level, and then at the county level?
Vattel
(9,289 posts)I don't know if they were or not.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)Simply based on who is winning and who is losing
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Shilling FOR Hillary AND The Establishment... Roberta Lange!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)GREAT Reporting Job! Screw Robert's Rules Of Order Was The Message From CROOKED ROBERTA Lange! Hillary/DWS Shill!
Scrubbing delegates ala Proclamation From Roberta Lange! THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO!
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Time for change
(13,714 posts)If you spent all the time and money to be a delegate and then you were arbitrarily decertified on the basis that you were not a registered Dem, and you knew yourself to be one, would you object regardless of whether your candidate was winning or losing?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Time for change
(13,714 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)Apparently at some point the registered as Republican in between the county convention and State. Why would someone do that. I could see them registering as a (I) but not as a (R). Someone changed it for them or it was another one of the "glitches" that seem to happen when ever a little push is need for one side. Odd it is side that is controlling the DNC at this time too.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)this proved that the action was illegitimate.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)That action alone is illegitimate.
Given the massive purging that followed, and the other abuses of power demonstrated on video, what reasonable person could believe that the purging was justified?
Time for change
(13,714 posts)that they could decertify anybody that want to, and that that statement came fro Roberta Lange. In other words, they don't need any legitimate reason for decertifying someone.
You don't think that is proof of a highly inappropriate process for decertifying people?
The 58 decertified Bernie delegates objected strenuously to the decertification, and demanded a chance to prove that they
indeed were legally registered Democrats, but Roberta Lange gave them no chance to do that. It was one of the most sickening abuses of power I've ever seen on video.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)But the questions remains: Were they decertified for a legitimate reason?
I hope someone does prove it one way or the other.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)A severe abuse of power took place at the convention, at which Hillary surrogates were given the green light to decertify anybody they wanted to, voice votes that changed the convention rules were ruled in favor of the rule changes despite the fact that there were clear indications that there were more against than for the rule changes, and decertified delegates were given no chance to contest their decertification.
It will be proven soon, I hope, as the results have been contested, and their is even a lawsuit pending. There is little doubt in my mind that the vast majority if not all of the 58 decertified Bernie delegates will be shown to have been decertified illegally. It is preposterous to think that they spent so much time and effort to be delegates if they weren't registered as as Democrats until they were illegally purged.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Most corrupt candidate, ever.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)What we need to do is stop waiting for some hero on TV to take up our cause for us - we need to take action: file complaints, request investigations, demand answers. And in the meantime, reject the "official" outcome of any such primary or caucus or convention as illegitimate.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)that they are almost irrelevant. IT will take past November, let alone June, before this even gets to court. The damage is done and there is no mechanism to correct this abortion of democracy.
Unless I've missed something.
Another point should be that it's obvious that it happened in NV and the 'order' came from high enough up that it's not a stretch to see that this has happened in other states.
...and I got a letter day before yesterday from the DNC asking me for Money
Time for change
(13,714 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)and good news
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)This "Clinton delegate's" story really doesn't cut it.
MaeScott
(878 posts)Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)To be clear, I'm not excusing any threats of violence or vandalism.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)it is evidence of the corrupt state of our national elections. Every American no matter who they are voting for should not tolerate this.
Everyone wanting to bend the rules here would scream bloody murder if Trump tried the same tactics! Watch out for that slippery slope!
Time for change
(13,714 posts)make excuses for it and even claim that the 58 purged Bernie delegates must have not been registered as Dems -- even though they were arbitrarily given no chance at the convention to argue their case.
And now we find out that the Hillary surrogates were told to go ahead and purge anyone they wanted to -- though we could have guessed it was something like that.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)and another thing for people to then compulsively dismiss these lies as inconsequential. It would be a fascinating study if it weren't so horrifying.
Thank you Time for Change, I enjoy your posts
Time for change
(13,714 posts)Yes, it is horrifying.
One thing though that we need to keep in mind is that this site is infiltrated with Trump Trolls (trying to stir up bad feelings between Bernie and Hillary supporters, while posing as Hillary or Bernie supporters, so that one won't support the other -- not that there isn't quite a bit of that without the Trump Trolls, but they just add to it) and Hillary "Correct the Record" shills (who are paid by one of Hillary's PACs to stand up for her (since there are too few who would do it on their own time without pay). So not every presumed Hillary supporter here is a legitimate Hillary supporter.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)what they have in common is a disregard for a democratic election and the truth. It would be great if someone could trace them down to their origin.