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Time for change

(13,714 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:40 AM May 2016

Clinton Delegate Whistleblower at NV State Convention: We Were Told



The Clinton delegate whistleblower says that they were told that party leaders could "scrub anyone they wanted to". She says that they were also told that the statement came from above -- i.e. Roberta Lange.

I just have this to say about anyone who tried to tell us that the 58 Sanders delegates at the NV State Convention who were decertified were done so for any legitimate reason: they were either very ignorant of the facts, very naive or very dishonest.

Well, maybe now our national "news" media will have to retract some of the ugly spin against Bernie and his delegates that they've been reporting about what happened at the NV State Convention. But I doubt that they will.

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Clinton Delegate Whistleblower at NV State Convention: We Were Told (Original Post) Time for change May 2016 OP
Were the 58 Registered Democrats at the time of the convention? Renew Deal May 2016 #1
I don't understand your question Time for change May 2016 #16
This doesn't prove that the 58 were not decertified for a legitimate reason. Vattel May 2016 #2
If there is even a hint of impropriety, then the legitimacy of the action is in question. hobbit709 May 2016 #3
Even without a hint one campaign questions the legitimacy DrDan May 2016 #6
Watch Roberta Lange In Action... The Video Speaks Volumes... She Is As Corrupt As The Day Is Long! CorporatistNation May 2016 #13
Here IS The Chaos... Fomented By Corruption At The VERY TOP! Watch IT! CorporatistNation May 2016 #14
Exactly - she should give in to the temper tantrums DrDan May 2016 #18
They questioned the legitimacy because they knew they were registered Democrats Time for change May 2016 #21
If not a registered dem - then decert is appropriate DrDan May 2016 #23
Apparently you didn't understand my question Time for change May 2016 #27
From what I understand they where at one point. TimPlo May 2016 #35
True, and it should be investigated. But the OP seemed to suggest that Vattel May 2016 #11
It was illegitimate to tell the Hillary surrogates that they could purge anybody they want Time for change May 2016 #29
The Whistleblower says on the video that the Hillary delegates were told Time for change May 2016 #17
I agree that they shoud have been given a chance to contest the decertification. Vattel May 2016 #22
The burden of proof should be the other way around. Time for change May 2016 #24
You may be right. IDK Vattel May 2016 #25
kick kgnu_fan May 2016 #4
I don't want that cabal running the country. HooptieWagon May 2016 #5
+1! nt nc4bo May 2016 #8
We will never get a proper treatment of this by the msm. But no matter - they are irrelevant. reformist2 May 2016 #7
There has been a lawsuit filed on it Time for change May 2016 #15
Problem with law suites in these matters is Ferd Berfel May 2016 #20
I believe that it's been contested also Time for change May 2016 #26
That would be different Ferd Berfel May 2016 #28
File under sketchy campaign literature. ucrdem May 2016 #9
Kick. MaeScott May 2016 #10
BBox trolls Bernie supporters, Lange rewrites the rules like a dictator...hey look, a folding chair. Snarkoleptic May 2016 #12
K&R EndElectoral May 2016 #19
There is no excuse for NV to have happened felix_numinous May 2016 #30
I don't understand why so many Hillary supporters here not only tolerate this but Time for change May 2016 #31
It is one thing for a candidate to be compulsively lying felix_numinous May 2016 #32
Thank you, Felix Time for change May 2016 #33
Online disruptors felix_numinous May 2016 #34

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
16. I don't understand your question
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 22, 2016, 11:47 AM - Edit history (1)

The 58 delegates were all at the convention. When they were decertified based on the excuse that they were not legally registered Democrats, they strenuously objected to the decertification (because they all knew that they were legally registered Democrats), but Roberta Lange did not even give them a chance to defend themselves against the de-certification and the charge that they were not legally registered Democrats.

Furthermore, if they were not legally registered Democrats, how on earth did they ever get certified, first at the local level, and then at the county level?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
2. This doesn't prove that the 58 were not decertified for a legitimate reason.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:46 AM
May 2016

I don't know if they were or not.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
6. Even without a hint one campaign questions the legitimacy
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:58 AM
May 2016

Simply based on who is winning and who is losing

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
13. Watch Roberta Lange In Action... The Video Speaks Volumes... She Is As Corrupt As The Day Is Long!
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:02 AM
May 2016

Shilling FOR Hillary AND The Establishment... Roberta Lange!

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
14. Here IS The Chaos... Fomented By Corruption At The VERY TOP! Watch IT!
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

GREAT Reporting Job! Screw Robert's Rules Of Order Was The Message From CROOKED ROBERTA Lange! Hillary/DWS Shill!
Scrubbing delegates ala Proclamation From Roberta Lange! THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO!

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
21. They questioned the legitimacy because they knew they were registered Democrats
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

If you spent all the time and money to be a delegate and then you were arbitrarily decertified on the basis that you were not a registered Dem, and you knew yourself to be one, would you object regardless of whether your candidate was winning or losing?

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
35. From what I understand they where at one point.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

Apparently at some point the registered as Republican in between the county convention and State. Why would someone do that. I could see them registering as a (I) but not as a (R). Someone changed it for them or it was another one of the "glitches" that seem to happen when ever a little push is need for one side. Odd it is side that is controlling the DNC at this time too.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
11. True, and it should be investigated. But the OP seemed to suggest that
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

this proved that the action was illegitimate.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
29. It was illegitimate to tell the Hillary surrogates that they could purge anybody they want
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:25 PM
May 2016

That action alone is illegitimate.

Given the massive purging that followed, and the other abuses of power demonstrated on video, what reasonable person could believe that the purging was justified?

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
17. The Whistleblower says on the video that the Hillary delegates were told
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:32 AM
May 2016

that they could decertify anybody that want to, and that that statement came fro Roberta Lange. In other words, they don't need any legitimate reason for decertifying someone.

You don't think that is proof of a highly inappropriate process for decertifying people?

The 58 decertified Bernie delegates objected strenuously to the decertification, and demanded a chance to prove that they
indeed were legally registered Democrats, but Roberta Lange gave them no chance to do that. It was one of the most sickening abuses of power I've ever seen on video.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
22. I agree that they shoud have been given a chance to contest the decertification.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

But the questions remains: Were they decertified for a legitimate reason?

I hope someone does prove it one way or the other.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
24. The burden of proof should be the other way around.
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:24 PM
May 2016

A severe abuse of power took place at the convention, at which Hillary surrogates were given the green light to decertify anybody they wanted to, voice votes that changed the convention rules were ruled in favor of the rule changes despite the fact that there were clear indications that there were more against than for the rule changes, and decertified delegates were given no chance to contest their decertification.

It will be proven soon, I hope, as the results have been contested, and their is even a lawsuit pending. There is little doubt in my mind that the vast majority if not all of the 58 decertified Bernie delegates will be shown to have been decertified illegally. It is preposterous to think that they spent so much time and effort to be delegates if they weren't registered as as Democrats until they were illegally purged.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
7. We will never get a proper treatment of this by the msm. But no matter - they are irrelevant.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:03 AM
May 2016

What we need to do is stop waiting for some hero on TV to take up our cause for us - we need to take action: file complaints, request investigations, demand answers. And in the meantime, reject the "official" outcome of any such primary or caucus or convention as illegitimate.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
20. Problem with law suites in these matters is
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

that they are almost irrelevant. IT will take past November, let alone June, before this even gets to court. The damage is done and there is no mechanism to correct this abortion of democracy.

Unless I've missed something.

Another point should be that it's obvious that it happened in NV and the 'order' came from high enough up that it's not a stretch to see that this has happened in other states.

...and I got a letter day before yesterday from the DNC asking me for Money

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
12. BBox trolls Bernie supporters, Lange rewrites the rules like a dictator...hey look, a folding chair.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

To be clear, I'm not excusing any threats of violence or vandalism.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
30. There is no excuse for NV to have happened
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

it is evidence of the corrupt state of our national elections. Every American no matter who they are voting for should not tolerate this.

Everyone wanting to bend the rules here would scream bloody murder if Trump tried the same tactics! Watch out for that slippery slope!

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
31. I don't understand why so many Hillary supporters here not only tolerate this but
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:31 AM
May 2016

make excuses for it and even claim that the 58 purged Bernie delegates must have not been registered as Dems -- even though they were arbitrarily given no chance at the convention to argue their case.

And now we find out that the Hillary surrogates were told to go ahead and purge anyone they wanted to -- though we could have guessed it was something like that.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
32. It is one thing for a candidate to be compulsively lying
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

and another thing for people to then compulsively dismiss these lies as inconsequential. It would be a fascinating study if it weren't so horrifying.

Thank you Time for Change, I enjoy your posts

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
33. Thank you, Felix
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:24 PM
May 2016

Yes, it is horrifying.

One thing though that we need to keep in mind is that this site is infiltrated with Trump Trolls (trying to stir up bad feelings between Bernie and Hillary supporters, while posing as Hillary or Bernie supporters, so that one won't support the other -- not that there isn't quite a bit of that without the Trump Trolls, but they just add to it) and Hillary "Correct the Record" shills (who are paid by one of Hillary's PACs to stand up for her (since there are too few who would do it on their own time without pay). So not every presumed Hillary supporter here is a legitimate Hillary supporter.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
34. Online disruptors
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

what they have in common is a disregard for a democratic election and the truth. It would be great if someone could trace them down to their origin.

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