central. It is very different "out there."

Everyone I know, liberal or conservative wants changes, none of those who are actually Democrats seem impressed with Bernie after all these months. Not that most know much about him, but it was very interesting that the last three people I chatted with had gotten the idea that he was mainly some kind of troublemaker and agitator. That was not the case last fall. So he and his more "ardent" supporters are likely succeeding in sabotaging his message.

....but it was very interesting that the last three people I chatted with had gotten the idea that he was mainly some kind of troublemaker and agitator.">>>>

As my mother would have said....."Will you listen to yourself?"

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called what you said.

And support a different candidate

as the Sanders campaign,maybe Ron Paul's campaign came close.

Just because Sanders does not win then the shouts of fraud happens. No conspiracy theory is going to change this.

Same thing the RW did to Obama at the start of his administration.

to seek psychological help!

You might not want to hear it, but nuts is nuts. So yes, if you think these NUTTY conspiracy theories are real, then yes, it is delusional and you should seek psychiatric help.

...in telepsychoanalysis?

It's been an ongoing problem since Bush stole his election (perhaps before than) which btw, DU members readily admitted occurred.

The game is the same. The ONLY thing that has changed are the colors of the jerseys the team players are wearing. Both sides still have $$$$ next to their team logos.

In 2000 the issue was ONE state where, yes, there should have been a full and complete recount, and there was a bad Supreme Court decision. However, even there, a legal process was followed, and presidential historians now say that Bush was "legally" elected.

There is NO way to compare that situation with this years Democratic national party primary cycle. Are you saying that in ALL the states and territories that Hillary has won from Nevada to Massachusetts to New York to South Carolina to GUAM, and so many others, that she and her people somehow "stole" all those elections? Are you serious? Well, if so, then that is simply mega-ridiculous and I feel very sorry for you.

or is this just unsupported speculation?

They cannot comprehend it

No matter how you state your case above it does not change the fact that a lot of it isn't a theory.
Did you see a chair being thrown?
I didn't. I saw Barbara Boxer flip off the crowd.
Didn't see any violence and no arrest were made, and I haven't seen any video that displayed anything other than an angry crowd.
Yet to hear this "Conspiracy Theory" reported by the Media you would think Ramsey Bolton popped in and flayed someone.
You can call people crazy all that you need to but the fact that this acrimony exist is a real life problem.
Its the weird blemish on ones skin that is ignored until the cancer spreads.

First, Hillary WON Nevada fair and square, case CLOSED. She won the caucuses by over five percent, and she had more delegates appear at the convention. At the convention some Bernie people WERE loud, very rude, and rowdy because they didn't get their own way and didn't understand the process. Eyewitnesses PERCEIVE things differently. So a few small details in that ONE location may have been a bit off. That doesn't mean there was a "conspiracy" against them. My goodness. And what do you have to say about the MANY disgusting, sickening, and ILLEGAL threats made to that party chairwoman after the convention? What do you have to say about the disgusting graffiti written on the party headquarters building? Did people just make all that up too?

You can nit pick all you want want, but that doesn't mean there is some widespread conspiracy against Bernie and his supporters. My goodness, a "thrown chair" assertion that comes out to be inaccurate means Hillary has stolen three million votes? That is CRAZY. And yes, it is damn well about time people started calling these conspiracy theories CRAZY because they are.

She won one level legitimately.
"The Nevada caucus has 3 levels: The precinct, the county convention and finally the state convention. Overall, Nevada has 33 Democratic delegates and 34 Republican delegates who will represent the precinct level voters at the respective national convention to select the nominee."
Not all of them.
You can rant on and carry the water all that you want but it doesn't change the fact that the acrimony exist.
That what happened there was nothing like they reported it to happen and that the party handled Nevada very poorly.

"My goodness. And what do you have to say about the MANY disgusting, sickening, and ILLEGAL threats made to that party chairwoman after the convention? What do you have to say about the disgusting graffiti written on the party headquarters building? Did people just make all that up too? "
There has been sabotage and vandalism against Bernies side as well.
As far as the threats go? I hope anyone threatening her with bodily harm is arrested for it period!
I have no idea of the credibility of such claims but given the bogus reports I've seen from that convention I'm not sure that I trust the words of dishonest people.

When HUNDREDS of posts contain claims of thrown chairs that's no "small detail". That's a fucking LIE intended to drive the narrative like a heard of cattle gets driven... in a particular direction, with a coordinated effort.

That seems Crazy to me.
Your 3 mil figure ignores all the caucus states which is a sizable amount of the country.
But you knew that.
You probably know Nevada was rigged by the chair.
You probably wouldn't be happy to have your candidate shut out by a power crazy chair either.

At least in Travis County, Texas where the Election was close, people were respectful and not taunting of the other supporters.

YOU said it... !

I am discussing the Totally Bogus assertion that Hillary is using that is repeated in the 2nd line of this Op, namely that She leads by 3 Million votes.

It is discredited here:

Did you reply to the wrong post?

I read incorrectly! There have been so many 'crazy word' attacks today! Must be the meme for the day!
I will edit but leave info up!

I remember this stuff being spouted by the Paulites on DU for years......Now they've stopped pluggin' the Pauls and seem to have become Bernie lovers.......

Ignoring DNC and media bias.... Registration rules displace some voters. Closed primaries displace some voters. Screwups by election officials displace some voters. Voter roll scrubs displace some voters. Photo ID laws displace some voters. Disenfranchisement laws displace some voters. Crowded polling places and insufficient ballots displace some voters.

Add that up over a bunch of states and it will skew the results. It's impossible to know how much, but 3 million is less than 1% of the population, so not actually that large of a stretch. I'm not saying it happened, but it's certainly not some mad hatter conspiracy theory to say the system is biased and that bias could account for the difference.

But, the conspiracy theories by the Sander's campaign and some of his supporters that the party nomination system is rigged against Sanders, specifically, is ludicrious.

Let's get rid of the caucus system. It is undemocratic and incredibly confusing. I prefer closed primaries because, like now, the GOP has their nominee and they can make mischief, as they did in WV. However, I have no problem with "liberalising" the party registration process so late deciders can vote in the Democratic primaries.

can run their primaries in the manner in which they want, it should be closed primaries across the board, this would simplify the process, everyone goes to their own party primary and vote, no caucuses.

Political parties want power, but responsibility comes with it. If you think you can run it like a private club AND lead the country, you're in for a rude awakening. This GE is likely a squeaker for Hillary at the very best, and then the midterms will probably be 2010 all over again without boogeyman Trump around to scare everybody to the polls.

This tired bullshit about "The Democratic Primaries should be decided by Democrats," is myopic.

We do not prevent voters from registering as Democrats, ergo not a closed and private club.

Illegally and with no recourse. Check NY and AZ for recent example. Brooklyn has been tied to Hillary. Check Redacted Tonight for the story.

The procedure usually has a letter going out to the voter. We receive registration cards and I can check my registration on line. I know mistakes are made from time to time and Florida used a data base which resulted in many wives but letters was also sent. I know the workers should try to locate where the proper voting location and if found you are not registered they can give a provisional ballot which can be verified later and then the vote will count.

As far as the accusation of the purged voters tied to Hillary, in this case all in a certain area was purged including Hillary's supporters and since she won in NY by a large margin then to have ties to the purge hurt her more than Sanders.

I am concerned about Arizona voting places getting stormed by voters who was not registered as Democrats causing long lines for the registered Democrats of which left without being able to voice their choice.

Garbage.

The registrations are being purged AFTER you can fix them. This is not a normal procedure.

Hillary was not remotely hurt more than Bernie. Her Person did the purging.
Here...

No, Hillary would have won in NY and she won in Arizona though some registered Democrats went home before voting because of the crashing of the voting places by people who were not registered as Democrats. The results are what they are, Sanders has not gotten enough votes and delegates. Every time Sanders does not win it is the same, complaining, when he wins there isn't complaining.

I just schooled you on the corruption and you don't seem to care..

Election Fraud does not seem to matter to you. Hmmm..

Perhaps your candidate will survive to the GE.

Maybe you might want to notice this is prep for November.

Read here:

http://www.gregpalast.com/new-york-voting-fiasco-just-the-warm-up-for-the-november-game/#more-11734

after verification the vote was counted, now try to explain where the voter fraud lies. You do know provisional ballots are counted after verification. In NY I believe I remember this was a closed primary, meaning only those registered as Democrats was to be voting in a location. I am not "schooled" on whether the voters not registered as Democrats appear in the registration, are you schooled on this matter?

Very Cute... this practice of how you repeat the same talking points after they are addressed. Intentionally slow?
from the article:

In the real world, people read all of it.

That's why you don't get the FBI problem too.


https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/category/2016-election/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/16/clinton-does-best-where-voting-machines-flunk-hacking-tests-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-election-fraud-allegations/

Nominating a loser and then claiming to be afraid of Trump.

Gaslighting drivel like this OP belongs in the Trash Can.

Superdelegates need to be eliminated for future elections. There's no point in standing line for hours to vote if your vote will be erased by one elite member of the party. Don't call it "fraud," call it "voter disenfranchisement."

in some of the states and try to tell me everything is on the up and up.
There are states where Bernie clearly won, but Hillary got the most delegates.
Other states where it was a virtual tie, but Hillary received many more delegates.

Thought not.

Of shrub/Gore? That has been beaten to death by those who don't acknowledge that Gore lost several states he should have won because of his own positions.

I wish Dems would get off of "we lost the game because of that damned referee". It isn't helpful and doesnt lead to wins...it is just the rantings of spoiled children....

Reagan Dems...meh...

Just as everyone knows the Democratic primary rules. It is the 'everyone wins' generation who don't get that everyone doesn't always win and that not everything will fit their twisted idea of 'fair'...

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So it wasn't a big issue to the establishment which one of them won, heads they win, tails we lose.

This time it's different, one of the candidates is an actual left-populist and the establishment has gone into self protection mode.

Fast.

Money has corrupted Democracy.

That's no theory. That's a fact.

for example, 2000 and 2004, locally we have seen it as way.

You really need to wake up to the history in this country of manipulated elections. They are not just a problem abroad.

Or maybe it is you who needs to be called crazy, nicely done and go see your mental health provider.

1) Has never written a computer program in his/her life.

or

2) Didn't learn anything from the class.

If I were a bookie I'd take bets on when it's posted and if it's hidden or not.

The claims in the OP are simply false http://www.thenation.com/article/the-conspiracy-theory-that-the-clinton-campaign-stole-votes-makes-no-sense/