2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn order to have Party Unity, there must be change in the Party. Period.
The current Dem Party will need to make decisions for inclusiveness if they want to bring the party together. We can start with DWS stepping down from DNC chair position. Period.
Edit update: I stand corrected. Instead of "period" it is a "comma" or "..."
-none
(1,884 posts)That is just the start of a long list.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)You need to, y'know, win.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Your comment only continues the division.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)The vast majority of the millions of Sanders voters will have no problem voting for Hillary in the fall. They realize that we're all on the same side and that the differences between Sanders and Clinton's stances on the issues are not significantly dissimilar.
You ("you" as in the "bernie or bust" crew, not the bernie voters overall) will not be courted, not be listened to, not be heard from at the convention at all. Your numbers or so small as to be a statistical irrelevance.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Plus, this post has not mentioned "Bernie or bust". This thread is regarding party unity, which will come from change. You seem resistant to change.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)I won't be complicit in further environmental destruction, hence I cannot and will not support HER.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)the rank and file -- because a significant portion of the rank and file shares Sanders goals, including many who supported Clinton for "pragmatic" reasons.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Good luck winning elections when half the party leaves. Dems at 14% of registered voters becomes irrellevent.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)There will be no unity. None at all.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The bridges have been burned, the well poisoned, the earth scorched. More and more progressives are walking away from the Corporatist Democratic Party.... the party is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)No. Sanders complaints are mostly his own making because he didn't do his homework, or because well... his people stole, then blames DWS. He doesn't get to demand the woman fired.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Not just Bernie.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)from his own behavior.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Under Debbie we lost the House, the Senate and nationwide voter turnout has sunk to new lows. I understand that many of you are content to be represented by Republicans in Congress and in your Statehouses but that's not really what I'm after.
What do you offer as the benefits delivered to the Party by Debbie? What makes up for losing Congress and also losing much of our voting base? Got any actual thoughts about that?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Congressperson & DNC chair... terrible idea!
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Have you even looked at her track record? All the house and Senate seats lost, the State Legislatures flipped, the Governors mansions lost? I find it fascinating that only Hillarians are defending such a level of incompetence...it meshes with their defense of Hillary.
Henhouse
(646 posts)I have no problem with changing the rules so the head of the DNC is not an elected official, ala the GOP. But the majority of Democrats are not asking DWS to stepdown.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)There are several national petitions for example. It also was literally cheered about at our convention. A convention for the Dem Party. There also are many posts on social media. People are very clear about her being removed.
Glad you agree that the DNC chair having two major jobs will be ineffective with both. She is chair of a national party PLUS a congresswoman. Epic fail.
Quixote1818
(28,946 posts)These are old articles:
Dems turn on Wasserman Schultz By Edward-Isaac Dovere
09/17/14 05:46 PM EDT
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/democrats-debbie-wasserman-schultz-111077#ixzz49OQ4fqQj
Debbie Wasserman Schultz planned to accuse Obama of being anti-woman and anti-Semitic
By Ashe Schow (@AsheSchow) 2/23/15 12:58 PM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/debbie-wasserman-schultz-planned-to-accuse-obama-of-being-anti-woman-and-anti-semitic/article/2560566
Then there is this more recent article from Bill Moyers: http://billmoyers.com/story/democrats-cant-unite-unless-wasserman-schultz-goes/
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Is filled with civil rights icons, activists, diversity, progressives, and on the verge of electing the first female president is being lectured about "inclusiveness"? Yiu know what isnt inclusive? Purity tests.
Who are the ones choosing to not include themselves? White males.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Nailed it.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Neither are millions of other people. Go to a Bernie rally and look for yourself. Many ages, race, and gender.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)How about getting your memes straight before posting nonsense?
Many "activists: and "progressives" and "diversity" are for Sanders.
And not all of those are evil "white males."
seekthetruth
(504 posts)So I guess my wife is a white male? My mother in law? All of my white female friends are white males?
Your comments are a bit ignorant.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)She is not a media person....
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Making changes here and there to improve things is just fine, and would be welcome. The problem is that the vocal group making the most noise about that isn't talking about change so much as having everything rewritten to their liking. That's untenable. There needs to be an actual negotiation of where to go, and *gasp* compromise from both sides on how to get there.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)In the mean time, the problems we have as a nation exponentiate.
"making changes here and there" will not move it fast enough.
The good news is that Bernie is moving HRC to the left, at least in her rhetoric. The DNC changes are happening too... steps toward moving the party back to the party of the people.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Holding out for the ideal progressive legislation doesn't help anyone. We saw that with the ACA. Imperfect as it is, it's a start on moving in the right direction, and has helped millions of people. It passed by the skin of its teeth. If Democrats had held out for single-payer, or the public option, it wouldn't have passed. How would getting nothing be an improvement?
That's the heart of this disagreement. Clinton supporters are far more agreeable to taking what we can get, and trying for more later.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)jamese777
(546 posts)that at least 65% of registered voters have no idea who Reince Priebus or Debbie Wasserman Schultz is.
Americans vote Democratic or Republican for the same reason they drink Coke or Pepsi, name recognition. Democrats have been around since 1828 and Republicans since 1854.
In 2008 disgruntled Clinton supporters formed P.U.M.A. (Party Unity My Ass). Barack Obama defeated John McCain by nearly ten million votes.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)The losers need to realize that's not how things work in the real world.