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Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:35 AM May 2016

In order to have Party Unity, there must be change in the Party. Period.

The current Dem Party will need to make decisions for inclusiveness if they want to bring the party together. We can start with DWS stepping down from DNC chair position. Period.

Edit update: I stand corrected. Instead of "period" it is a "comma" or "..."

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In order to have Party Unity, there must be change in the Party. Period. (Original Post) Equinox Moon May 2016 OP
No period, a comma. -none May 2016 #1
Right on!!!! Equinox Moon May 2016 #2
The minority ideology doesn't get to set the party platform, bro. Tarc May 2016 #3
In order to unify millions of people, there must be change Equinox Moon May 2016 #6
You aren't wanted. Tarc May 2016 #9
Your second sentence displays division Equinox Moon May 2016 #12
Keep telling yourself that, bro. seekthetruth May 2016 #26
I sure hope that attitude is njot shared by the Democratic leadership or... Armstead May 2016 #18
The former Minority. HooptieWagon May 2016 #29
What's done is done pinebox May 2016 #4
We have work to do. Equinox Moon May 2016 #14
I don't think so either. HooptieWagon May 2016 #31
Demands firing a Democratic from a non Democratic stepping into our election, because he loses. seabeyond May 2016 #5
100's, 1000's, millions want DWS to step down. Equinox Moon May 2016 #8
Betcha it is the losing team, with the losing leader leading the way with blame and false accusation seabeyond May 2016 #10
Under Debbie, at each midterm the losing team has been Democrats. I don't care for that. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #16
I just do not play this Blue. I am not about creating chaos, but the opposite. seabeyond May 2016 #22
Destined for epic fail when a person holds two MAJOR jobs Equinox Moon May 2016 #39
Debbie is the loser. HooptieWagon May 2016 #34
Bernie lost to HRC in DWS district 75-25... Who are these millions? Henhouse May 2016 #19
I think it depends on where you get your information from Equinox Moon May 2016 #21
Even Obama wanted her gone, she has been a disaster since the very begining Quixote1818 May 2016 #11
The party that elected the first black president... JaneyVee May 2016 #7
"Who are the ones choosing to not include themselves? White males." workinclasszero May 2016 #13
I am not a white male Equinox Moon May 2016 #15
I though "progressives, activists" were fringe left crazies? Armstead May 2016 #20
White males? seekthetruth May 2016 #30
+1, and for the most part they're the ones having the temper tamtrum uponit7771 May 2016 #36
DWS will most likely step down to become HRC's Press Secretary EndElectoral May 2016 #17
DWS is a policy wonk. She was impressive when fighting for the ACA.... Henhouse May 2016 #23
I can't find it in me to unite behind DWS. Period. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #24
I agree Equinox Moon May 2016 #25
Few disagree with the notion of change. It's the calls for all out 'revolution' that bother us. CrowCityDem May 2016 #27
I understand HRC supporters like incremental steps/changes Equinox Moon May 2016 #40
We like changes that actually happen. CrowCityDem May 2016 #41
They have the exclusive party they want. It's just shrinking badly as time goes on. floriduck May 2016 #28
I agree Equinox Moon May 2016 #37
Or .. or... Sanders needs to stop whining about losing in the same system Obama won with in 08 uponit7771 May 2016 #32
Comment not helpful Equinox Moon May 2016 #38
I guarantee you jamese777 May 2016 #33
The losers are telling the winners, that to have party unity, you have to do things their way ... SFnomad May 2016 #35

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
6. In order to unify millions of people, there must be change
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

Your comment only continues the division.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
9. You aren't wanted.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:55 AM
May 2016

The vast majority of the millions of Sanders voters will have no problem voting for Hillary in the fall. They realize that we're all on the same side and that the differences between Sanders and Clinton's stances on the issues are not significantly dissimilar.

You ("you" as in the "bernie or bust" crew, not the bernie voters overall) will not be courted, not be listened to, not be heard from at the convention at all. Your numbers or so small as to be a statistical irrelevance.




Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
12. Your second sentence displays division
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:05 AM
May 2016

Plus, this post has not mentioned "Bernie or bust". This thread is regarding party unity, which will come from change. You seem resistant to change.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
26. Keep telling yourself that, bro.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

I won't be complicit in further environmental destruction, hence I cannot and will not support HER.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
18. I sure hope that attitude is njot shared by the Democratic leadership or...
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

the rank and file -- because a significant portion of the rank and file shares Sanders goals, including many who supported Clinton for "pragmatic" reasons.



 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. The former Minority.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

Good luck winning elections when half the party leaves. Dems at 14% of registered voters becomes irrellevent.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
31. I don't think so either.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

The bridges have been burned, the well poisoned, the earth scorched. More and more progressives are walking away from the Corporatist Democratic Party.... the party is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. Demands firing a Democratic from a non Democratic stepping into our election, because he loses.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:48 AM
May 2016

No. Sanders complaints are mostly his own making because he didn't do his homework, or because well... his people stole, then blames DWS. He doesn't get to demand the woman fired.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. Betcha it is the losing team, with the losing leader leading the way with blame and false accusation
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:59 AM
May 2016

from his own behavior.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. Under Debbie, at each midterm the losing team has been Democrats. I don't care for that.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:28 AM
May 2016

Under Debbie we lost the House, the Senate and nationwide voter turnout has sunk to new lows. I understand that many of you are content to be represented by Republicans in Congress and in your Statehouses but that's not really what I'm after.

What do you offer as the benefits delivered to the Party by Debbie? What makes up for losing Congress and also losing much of our voting base? Got any actual thoughts about that?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
34. Debbie is the loser.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

Have you even looked at her track record? All the house and Senate seats lost, the State Legislatures flipped, the Governors mansions lost? I find it fascinating that only Hillarians are defending such a level of incompetence...it meshes with their defense of Hillary.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
19. Bernie lost to HRC in DWS district 75-25... Who are these millions?
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

I have no problem with changing the rules so the head of the DNC is not an elected official, ala the GOP. But the majority of Democrats are not asking DWS to stepdown.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
21. I think it depends on where you get your information from
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

There are several national petitions for example. It also was literally cheered about at our convention. A convention for the Dem Party. There also are many posts on social media. People are very clear about her being removed.

Glad you agree that the DNC chair having two major jobs will be ineffective with both. She is chair of a national party PLUS a congresswoman. Epic fail.

Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
11. Even Obama wanted her gone, she has been a disaster since the very begining
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:00 AM
May 2016


These are old articles:

Dems turn on Wasserman Schultz By Edward-Isaac Dovere
09/17/14 05:46 PM EDT
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/democrats-debbie-wasserman-schultz-111077#ixzz49OQ4fqQj


Debbie Wasserman Schultz planned to accuse Obama of being anti-woman and anti-Semitic
By Ashe Schow (@AsheSchow) • 2/23/15 12:58 PM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/debbie-wasserman-schultz-planned-to-accuse-obama-of-being-anti-woman-and-anti-semitic/article/2560566

Then there is this more recent article from Bill Moyers: http://billmoyers.com/story/democrats-cant-unite-unless-wasserman-schultz-goes/
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
7. The party that elected the first black president...
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:50 AM
May 2016

Is filled with civil rights icons, activists, diversity, progressives, and on the verge of electing the first female president is being lectured about "inclusiveness"? Yiu know what isnt inclusive? Purity tests.

Who are the ones choosing to not include themselves? White males.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
15. I am not a white male
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

Neither are millions of other people. Go to a Bernie rally and look for yourself. Many ages, race, and gender.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. I though "progressives, activists" were fringe left crazies?
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016

How about getting your memes straight before posting nonsense?

Many "activists: and "progressives" and "diversity" are for Sanders.

And not all of those are evil "white males."

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
30. White males?
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

So I guess my wife is a white male? My mother in law? All of my white female friends are white males?

Your comments are a bit ignorant.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
27. Few disagree with the notion of change. It's the calls for all out 'revolution' that bother us.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

Making changes here and there to improve things is just fine, and would be welcome. The problem is that the vocal group making the most noise about that isn't talking about change so much as having everything rewritten to their liking. That's untenable. There needs to be an actual negotiation of where to go, and *gasp* compromise from both sides on how to get there.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
40. I understand HRC supporters like incremental steps/changes
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:24 AM
May 2016

In the mean time, the problems we have as a nation exponentiate.
"making changes here and there" will not move it fast enough.

The good news is that Bernie is moving HRC to the left, at least in her rhetoric. The DNC changes are happening too... steps toward moving the party back to the party of the people.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
41. We like changes that actually happen.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:07 AM
May 2016

Holding out for the ideal progressive legislation doesn't help anyone. We saw that with the ACA. Imperfect as it is, it's a start on moving in the right direction, and has helped millions of people. It passed by the skin of its teeth. If Democrats had held out for single-payer, or the public option, it wouldn't have passed. How would getting nothing be an improvement?

That's the heart of this disagreement. Clinton supporters are far more agreeable to taking what we can get, and trying for more later.

jamese777

(546 posts)
33. I guarantee you
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

that at least 65% of registered voters have no idea who Reince Priebus or Debbie Wasserman Schultz is.
Americans vote Democratic or Republican for the same reason they drink Coke or Pepsi, name recognition. Democrats have been around since 1828 and Republicans since 1854.
In 2008 disgruntled Clinton supporters formed P.U.M.A. (Party Unity My Ass). Barack Obama defeated John McCain by nearly ten million votes.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
35. The losers are telling the winners, that to have party unity, you have to do things their way ...
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

The losers need to realize that's not how things work in the real world.

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