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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:07 AM May 2016

Bernie Sanders just declared war on the Democratic establishment

Bernie Sanders just declared war on the Democratic establishment
Chris Cillizza
The Washington Post

If you want to make a politician really, really angry, endorse their primary opponent. That's exactly what Bernie Sanders did Saturday to Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

That puts Sanders on the side of Tim Canova, a former Capitol Hill staffer who has enjoyed considerable fundraising success -- he's raised more than $1 million -- thanks to an anti-establishment message in his primary against Wasserman Schultz.

And it ensures that the nastiness between Sanders and his supporters and Wasserman Schultz and the mainstream Democrats she represents will now surge into a full-blown battle.

Now that Sanders has endorsed Wasserman Schultz's opponent, everything is even more personal than it was 24 hours ago. And when things get personal, reason and pragmatism often fly out the window. That's bad news for Democrats hoping to quickly unite the party in advance of the general election fight against Donald Trump. It's war now.



Bernie just declared war on the establishment? Here's when Mr. Sanders, and progressives, declared war:

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Bernie Sanders just declared war on the Democratic establishment (Original Post) portlander23 May 2016 OP
Sore loser. Cali_Democrat May 2016 #1
sore loser that's won 3 of the last 4... Jack Bone May 2016 #20
... Cali_Democrat May 2016 #27
That never gets old. barrow-wight May 2016 #122
It's the number of delegates that matters treestar May 2016 #54
he's won more delegates in 3 of the last 4 too,,, Jack Bone May 2016 #62
What matter is the number of delegates from all of the states treestar May 2016 #63
has it ended yet? nt Jack Bone May 2016 #64
oops! lol n/t tazkcmo May 2016 #77
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.... kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #92
he won 4 of the last 4 AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #104
Bernie's campaign is a movement campaign. JDPriestly May 2016 #124
Lol ok, it's a movement alright rjsquirrel May 2016 #128
Bernie is about "WE" not about "ME." JDPriestly May 2016 #131
You can VOTE...but it won't matter this primary!! Sancho May 2016 #139
The fact that Bernie started without even the hint of name JDPriestly May 2016 #140
BS has only won 2 of the last 4 SFnomad May 2016 #121
DWS is a corrupt liar and a shit excuse for a democrat. Period cali May 2016 #32
Bigtime! workinclasszero May 2016 #35
We are eventually going to expose the official vote count as a massive fraud. reformist2 May 2016 #56
I think you will turn up nothing under that rock. barrow-wight May 2016 #123
Have we seen a more vitriolic loser in recent politcal history? I cannot recall one. anotherproletariat May 2016 #67
Reminds me of Hillary refusing to get out in 2008 claiming Obama could be killed. derpderpderp May 2016 #81
Are you a supporter of Wasserman? That's the real question. jonestonesusa May 2016 #72
No loser is as sore as camp Clinton, given all she has slung in our direction after she didn't win Betty Karlson May 2016 #137
Bitter man with his loss. seabeyond May 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Mary Mac May 2016 #44
Every step of the way he has shown us how he absolutely is not presidential, and we all ignore that. seabeyond May 2016 #50
Projection: Not just for movie theaters anymore. nt villager May 2016 #102
He is not bitter he is better. A MUCH BETTER LEADER for this country. Seeinghope May 2016 #71
A whole life of bitter with a chip on his shoulder. seabeyond May 2016 #73
A whole life of working to do things to help the American People. Why you are so stuck on the Seeinghope May 2016 #80
Murder? creeksneakers2 May 2016 #86
Accusation about Vnce Foster and other allegations like that Seeinghope May 2016 #89
Do actually believe that stuff? creeksneakers2 May 2016 #91
Back then I did not believe any of that. After all of the years then however I really am having my Seeinghope May 2016 #111
I'm glad you don't think they are murderers. creeksneakers2 May 2016 #112
Give them hell Bernie! pinebox May 2016 #3
Go get 'em Faux pas May 2016 #4
Stupid drama that leads to nothing The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #5
Not with that attitude! Matt_in_STL May 2016 #6
Bernie and Tim vs. Hillary and Debbie. Love it! the NeoFems will have a shitfit! Hiraeth May 2016 #7
Sanders has already lost once, to the woman. Pretty sure he has no power and little influence with seabeyond May 2016 #21
That's to his credit given her out-of-control anger, lying, and favoratism. Priebus is role model. snowy owl May 2016 #84
NeoFems???!! Sounds nasty. kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #94
Is NeoFems the new name for FemiNazis? Gosh. How progressive. Hekate May 2016 #119
Yes, it is obamanut2012 May 2016 #136
"The NeoFems" obamanut2012 May 2016 #135
The way to really declare war is to run Third Party BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #8
He's declaring self-defense, not war. They declared war on him long ago. merrily May 2016 #12
I agree, but wish he would declare war. BernieforPres2016 May 2016 #30
+1,000,000. polly7 May 2016 #52
Obviously, he didn't want to go Nader. 2banon May 2016 #85
Wish he would. SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #107
I'd assume he knows what he's doing. 6chars May 2016 #9
Bullshit. The Democratic Party declared war on him as soon as it suspected he was running merrily May 2016 #10
K&R! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #17
Sanders has been coddled while throwing his tantrums. seabeyond May 2016 #23
who has been coddled? timmymoff May 2016 #36
Sanders has been coddled from day one. Never enough. Still demanding he is picked on. Too seabeyond May 2016 #49
He gave her a pass on the E-mails creeksneakers2 May 2016 #87
She looks corrupt because she's corrupt. JRLeft May 2016 #125
K&R! He is actually defending US, not merely himself! Agony May 2016 #34
+1 - that and DWS is a freaking DISASTER for Dems Triana May 2016 #39
That's keeping your eye on the really little picture BeyondGeography May 2016 #11
Exactly. vengeance is mine sayeth Sanders. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #26
I wish BS wasn't so naive about our political process. dubyadiprecession May 2016 #13
Has the "neutral" DNC chair apologized yet Kall May 2016 #14
Well, it did produce a Snopes decision that it never happened. So that's something eom mikehiggins May 2016 #22
Snopes needs to do a piece on her lying claim of neutrality, too. merrily May 2016 #29
Hyperbole! Silver_Witch May 2016 #15
Yes. Don't believe the hype. NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #96
Good! It's about time someone did. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #16
actually the DNC, DWS and others declared war on us a while back dana_b May 2016 #18
By stealing others data, calling Clinton lesser of two evils, suing? seabeyond May 2016 #28
Sanders didn't call Clinton the lesser of two evils. Eric J in MN May 2016 #99
Stealing other's data? I know for certain that Hillary stole Bernie's. I was one person, as were jillan May 2016 #115
Seriously? seabeyond May 2016 #129
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #19
DWS' shameful support for the payday loan industry should mean every Democrat wants her out Arazi May 2016 #24
The Clintons turned the Democratic party in to a haven for disenfranchised Republicans Ferd Berfel May 2016 #25
And I am declaring my disgust with the DNC. djean111 May 2016 #31
And yet he thinks the Super delegates will flip to him. This guy is just a self absorbed narcissist. Trust Buster May 2016 #33
Watch the "war" fizzle. BootinUp May 2016 #37
Sanders said 'I've known Debbie for years Eric J in MN May 2016 #98
Bitter old man has just lost all his clout and influence in the Democratic Party. MoonRiver May 2016 #38
Bitter and sad person writes: "Bitter old man" Ned_Devine May 2016 #57
"Sanders is close to reaching a line he does not want to cross...."-hurting Down-Ticket Dems! riversedge May 2016 #40
i am biting my tongue about that man, for the sake of party unity. Mary Mac May 2016 #45
Good for him Time for change May 2016 #41
He'll be lucky to have any Senate assignments when he limps back into DC in a few weeks. onehandle May 2016 #42
Bernie has firmly held principles. tabasco May 2016 #43
+1,000,000. nt. polly7 May 2016 #51
Good. Party bosses are are well past their extinction date. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #46
Screw WaPo SheenaR May 2016 #47
He came out of nowhere to run for the Presidency. Slashing and burning the Democratic party. Is he a livetohike May 2016 #48
Complain about Greens for running outside the Democratic Party. Kall May 2016 #68
If only the nomination was handed to HRC Bernie would still be loved by HRC supporters. JRLeft May 2016 #126
Bernie Sanders has consistently helped the Democrat agenda get thru Congress over his long Seeinghope May 2016 #70
How does he expect to get the Democratic nomination for the Presidency? treestar May 2016 #53
oh lordy now ya went and done it azurnoir May 2016 #55
Heheh SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #108
bad news for america has sanders ego is way more important than our future....the angry old beachbum bob May 2016 #58
The egotistical thing is to kiss up to powerful people Eric J in MN May 2016 #101
oh, lord... chervilant May 2016 #132
Chris has this completely backward. It is the dem establishment who declared war on Bernie onecaliberal May 2016 #59
Suspect he has been waiting to see if any of his (our) ideas would be embraced. oldandhappy May 2016 #60
Give 'em hell Bernie! TrueDemVA May 2016 #61
Just received an email request from Bernie to donate to him and Tim Canova. aikoaiko May 2016 #65
!!!!!! nc4bo May 2016 #66
... vintx May 2016 #69
well done! renate May 2016 #88
Bravo! Art_from_Ark May 2016 #133
Glad to hear it democrattotheend May 2016 #74
Well the first salvo shot was by DWS, not Sanders.. so there's THAT inaccuracy. 2banon May 2016 #75
So Sanders has given up on his failed revolution and now want to make this personal Gothmog May 2016 #76
Tim Canova is more liberal. Sanders said Eric J in MN May 2016 #97
He turned over lots of rocks in this campaign, now he's pointing out the slimy things underneath. pa28 May 2016 #78
Just? tazkcmo May 2016 #79
What can I do to help? frylock May 2016 #82
Not war. Common sense. DWS payday lender queen. Poor DNC lead. Emotional-angry. Spoiled Brat. snowy owl May 2016 #83
This entire primary has been a shit show from day one Aerows May 2016 #90
Never thought he could be so petty until the last few months. I used to really, really like the guy. kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #93
Sanders shouldn't support the more liberal candidate for US House? NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #100
Debbie DINO openly supports and campaigns for her GOP cronies down here in Florida. djean111 May 2016 #105
Sanders: 'I've known Debbie for years and personally Eric J in MN May 2016 #95
Seems like we are supposed to just get in line. Baa baa. Not me. snowy owl May 2016 #110
You Must Obey the Establishment pmorlan1 May 2016 #106
The only way to stop corruption is to state your case against corrupt politicians larkrake May 2016 #109
Chris Cilizza conveniently skips Bernie saying he likes DWS riderinthestorm May 2016 #113
He was never a Democrat and still isn't one. Beacool May 2016 #114
Then why is he chair of several committees representing the Dems? Why does he caucus with the Dems? jillan May 2016 #116
Because he's the only Independent in the Senate. Beacool May 2016 #130
DWS allied herself w/Sheldon Adelson to make sure medical marijuana users in FL would go to prison Warren DeMontague May 2016 #120
Good for Bernie!! DWS has been the worst DNC chair of my lifetime. And I'm pretty old. jillan May 2016 #117
Bernie's awesome! cui bono May 2016 #118
War was declared on him. He's responding to their new war on his supporters Joob May 2016 #127
Sanders and his fans make him out to be a victim so often! riversedge May 2016 #134
Does anybody think Schultz has done a good job? gollygee May 2016 #138
Up the Establishment! Orsino May 2016 #141

treestar

(82,383 posts)
54. It's the number of delegates that matters
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

each state is a different size, and it is not winner-take-all, so it is irrelevant.

Response to Jack Bone (Reply #20)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
124. Bernie's campaign is a movement campaign.
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:02 AM
May 2016

We in California want to vote.

Why can't Hillary supporters deal with that?

Most of them have already voted.

I am campaigning for Bernie in California. I go house to house, campus to campus as a volunteer. People are excited about the opportunity to vote for Bernie.

At my age (born 1943) I know one thing: Anything can happen. Life is full of surprises.

So what if Hillary has more votes or more delegates right now. That can change and quickly.

And a lot of current Hillary supporters might, under certain circumstances, support such a change.

Let the primaries carry on and end.

Feel the Bern!

Bernie can beat Trump! Hillary can't. No matter her numbers in the Democratic primaries, she can't beat Trump.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
131. Bernie is about "WE" not about "ME."
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:33 PM
May 2016

And in case you missed it in her speeches and her ads, Hillary's campaign is about Hillary and only about Hillary.

It's "I," "I," "I" for Hillary.

All about herself.

So naturally, Bernie is giving even us in California the chance to vote and will continue to represent us in the convention because this movement is about us and not about him.

It's a new concept in American politics. And I'm glad it's finally here.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
139. You can VOTE...but it won't matter this primary!!
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

Hillary will have the nomination before California polls close! Sorry, that's the breaks.

Actually, if the order was reversed and California had been the first primary state, Bernie would not have latest this long.

He's only still around because of Northern caucuses and outlier states like Iowa and Vermont.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
140. The fact that Bernie started without even the hint of name
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

recognition as a candidate almost no one had ever heard of and is defeating and has defeated Hillary in so many states not only tells us that he is a very, very strong candidate we should not lightly dismiss, but also that Hillary is a very, very weak candidate that we should dismiss.

I was thinking this morning. Barack Obama offered hope and change. He delivered only very little of it, but at least what he did deliver was meaningful and we love him because he seems to us to be a wonderful person.

But Hillary --- she is not offering so much as hope much less change. I can't honestly think of a reason to vote for her. And when I ask her supporters why they are voting for her, they just look kind of downcast. Whatever it is, they are either ashamed to talk about it or it's depressing or they suddenly realize they don't know. And I am in person not an intimidating person so people would tell me. Sometimes they say her experience, but then I know that they don't know that Bernie has at least as much or more experience, and Bernie's experience proves his superior judgment.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
35. Bigtime!
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016

Declares war after finally realizing hes lost the nomination.

Is he setting up for a third party run maybe?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
56. We are eventually going to expose the official vote count as a massive fraud.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

No way did the majority vote for Hillary. Not even the majority of Dems.
 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
67. Have we seen a more vitriolic loser in recent politcal history? I cannot recall one.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

It really seems to be related to the fact that he was not a party member before he declared. Everyone else feels some allegiance to their party, which keeps them in check.

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
72. Are you a supporter of Wasserman? That's the real question.
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

Based on the number of Dem party losses in statehouses, Congress, and the Senate under her watch, she probably deserves more support from Republicans than she does from Democrats.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
137. No loser is as sore as camp Clinton, given all she has slung in our direction after she didn't win
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:37 AM
May 2016

in important states:

racism, sexism, complacency, Hellbound sluts lusting for Berniebros, easily duped, keyboard warriors who click Internet polls, freeloaders, ponywanters, ...

Yes, we noted both the contempt and the underlying loser mentality: Clinton loses her marbles and employs disgustingly divisive tactics as soon as things don't go her way. And that will not be forgotten. I hope she loses California by the mother of all landslides.

Response to seabeyond (Reply #2)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
50. Every step of the way he has shown us how he absolutely is not presidential, and we all ignore that.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

If he actually had to be addressed in GE, his advantage is, that Trump is just as presidential, lol, yet offering the same to white, middle/upper middle income and men.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
71. He is not bitter he is better. A MUCH BETTER LEADER for this country.
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:49 PM
May 2016

Too many people made the wrong decision. This election will be the shining example of how millions of people can vote for the worst candidates, Clinton and Trump...... Who coincidentally are friends and/or part of the 1/10 of 1%. How so many people actually justify voting against themselves is an art only the people like the Clintons and Trump supporters can manage. Bernie Sanders is the most successful person to rise up against the establishment, not having to use any of the establishments money or power. He has woken so many people up and shown them that this is just the beginning of the fight...yes the fight against the ruling class. He has accomplished what no other has even come close to and if this was an actual fair election he would have won but when the corporations own everything.....media, political parties, voting machines, Government Officials...... It is not an even playing field and some of us know the extent that the Clintons will go to to secure the nomination. During the Primaries it was so odd that the Republicans did not have all of the issues with the voting, just the Democrats.. It was also odd that all of the irregularities ended up favouring the Clinton camp. It was especially telling when there were razor thin margins for her victories that should have been an easy walk in the park.

He actually, in many ways is a winner. He has exposed the corruption of the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton. Her walk to her coronation was not as easy as she planned it to be and I suspect it won't get any easier. I have to be very very happy for that!

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
80. A whole life of working to do things to help the American People. Why you are so stuck on the
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

Bitter thing is your own thing. He has had continued success in getting bills and Ammendments passed, helping the people in this country. That has been his sole focus all of his adult life and he has succeeded. He has much more to be proud of than Hillary Clinton who's life reads like Shakespeare. Scandals, murder, infidelity lack of morals, power hungry.......

If anything Hillary Clinton is bitter, married to a man who is a serial cheater. That has to be devastating to any spouse. That could surely cause bitterness......

Yep, being publically humiliated and having a serial cheater for a spouse would make anybody bitter

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
111. Back then I did not believe any of that. After all of the years then however I really am having my
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:36 PM
May 2016

Doubts about any and all of the scandals and allegations. Back the I saw two brilliant, hard working, progressive victimised people. After 26 years I have seen them evolve and I have seen things that has made me want them to just retire and disappear out of public life...with anything that has to do with running this country.

I am liberal ...... progressive. I see the Clintons more in line with the Republicans then with true Democratic values.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. Sanders has already lost once, to the woman. Pretty sure he has no power and little influence with
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:19 AM
May 2016

this one.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
8. The way to really declare war is to run Third Party
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

I have no idea why he has not been willing to consider it given what the Democratic Party has become and how he has been treated in the primary process.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
30. I agree, but wish he would declare war.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

Enough pretending the Democratic Party can be turned back into the party of FDR. It is a corrupt corporatist party about to nominate a corrupt corporatist candidate.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
52. +1,000,000.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

I'm in awe of how he handled all their blatant bullshit from the start. He could have completely exposed every dirty little trick and act but seemed to want to brush it off to focus on the issues. Much more tolerant than I could have been. He's a disciplined, focused, courageous and righteous man. And that is part of the reason so many millions love him.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
85. Obviously, he didn't want to go Nader.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:49 PM
May 2016

But I've been sort of thinking about this and wondering what "next steps" might look like.

What will these disaffected independent millennials do with this energy, this momentum and the righteousness of our shared objectives. ?

After Hillary clinches the Nom, and they see that it's gonna be status quo or even worse in the next few years I have a sense the energy and sense of purpose could be transformative wrt to replacing the current moribund House of Cards (aka broken political system) that it has become.

All speculative of course, it will be interesting if things do change during the rest of my lifetime. Who can say what the future will bring, but there is no evidence that this party have given very much thought to the future beyond the inevitability race and how best to line their own pockets/bank accounts and preserve their ability serve the Oligarchs, Plutocrats. MIC. etc.



6chars

(3,967 posts)
9. I'd assume he knows what he's doing.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

Maybe he thinks he can gt then party leadership overthrown, maybe he thinks this will give him more leverage. Not sure what but he probably has some game in mind.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. Bullshit. The Democratic Party declared war on him as soon as it suspected he was running
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:14 AM
May 2016

and went public with hostilities on April 30, 2015. He's finally starting to defend himself, period.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
36. who has been coddled?
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:37 AM
May 2016

is he bringing up her investigation? How about the bloody wars she is responsible for? Has he called her out on taking money from everyone she says she opposes? Nope, he's been gentle, and we are seeing she can hardly hang with that. Her supporters are up in arms about any discussion of her record as being an attack. The people truly coddling Hillary are her supporters, and it will hurt her. Oh well, win the battle lose the war, the conservadem mantra. The ruling class knows they now have both sides of the presidential race covered if she wins. Yay, business as usual is guaranteed. Now "cut that out" !

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
49. Sanders has been coddled from day one. Never enough. Still demanding he is picked on. Too
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

many of us recognize this. Sanders past has not even been discussed, let alone torn apart. He is coddled.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
87. He gave her a pass on the E-mails
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

But he's been all over her on the wars and the money she's taken. He's done everything he could to make her look corrupt, even though he couldn't name one quid pro quo.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
34. K&R! He is actually defending US, not merely himself!
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

i don't think that you will mind me saying...

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
39. +1 - that and DWS is a freaking DISASTER for Dems
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

She was in past elections where she was chair, and she is in this one, too.

She needs to GO.

Kall

(615 posts)
14. Has the "neutral" DNC chair apologized yet
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

for going on TV and spreading lies about Sanders' people throwing chairs in Nevada and demanding condemnation for it? Funny how these unseen thrown chairs produced no pictures, video, injuries or arrests with a room full of officers.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
15. Hyperbole!
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

Pure and simply. No one declared War on anyone. He supports a DEMOCRATIC candidate! Come on give it a rest. Not everything is the end of the world. I don't like Wasserman either because of what and who she supports (lime payday loan companies). She has consistently support conservatives.

I am sure it will be okay. Deep breaths!!!

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
16. Good! It's about time someone did.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

Debbie refused to back DEM challengers to her Repub friends in FL. That alone ought to get her thrown out, let alone all the seats she has lost Dems over the years.

And I don't think that was an accident either. I think it was ordered up by the paymasters. That much stupidity, as she has demonstrated, isn't even natural or believable, even for her.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
18. actually the DNC, DWS and others declared war on us a while back
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

Bernie is leading progressives to stand up for ourselves, that's it.

Oh! And he reminded me to make another contribution to Tim.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
99. Sanders didn't call Clinton the lesser of two evils.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:57 PM
May 2016

He said we shouldn't have an election which the majority sees that way. He says he disagrees with the majority about that.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
115. Stealing other's data? I know for certain that Hillary stole Bernie's. I was one person, as were
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:27 AM
May 2016

many, many, many others.

We all compiled a list and sent it off to their campaign of people that never signed up for Hillary's campaign but all of the sudden began getting Welcome emails from her. I don't know what they ever did with it but every now and then I hear Jeff mention it.

But even more than my email address - she had my name! Same with the others.

Funny how this all happened when the firewall went down.

Of course! the media and Hillary all pointed fingers at Bernie's campaign and Bernie even fired a staffer. But Hillary? Not a word. She just brushes it off just like she does with everything else. She's just so above it all.


Response to portlander23 (Original post)

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
24. DWS' shameful support for the payday loan industry should mean every Democrat wants her out
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

Time to send some more money to Tim Canova

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
25. The Clintons turned the Democratic party in to a haven for disenfranchised Republicans
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

beginning in the 80's.

WHen the head of the DNC actively supports 300% loan sharks over people - it's over.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
31. And I am declaring my disgust with the DNC.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

I live in Florida, been seeing Debbie DINO's antics for quite a while, and this has absolutely nothing to do with Bernie.
After the next primary in August, I am out. So is my grandson.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
98. Sanders said 'I've known Debbie for years
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

...and personally I like her.'

He didn't call it a "war."

That's hype from Chris Cillizza.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
38. Bitter old man has just lost all his clout and influence in the Democratic Party.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016


And I say this as someone who does not care for DWS.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
40. "Sanders is close to reaching a line he does not want to cross...."-hurting Down-Ticket Dems!
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

I think Sanders has already crossed that line--!!


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May 20, 2016, 12:30 pm
Sanders should stop attacking Clinton

By Brent Budowsky, columnist, The Hill


Few national columnists in the mainstream media have been more fair and friendly to Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), his campaign, and the progressive populist agenda he proposes (most of which I agree with and hope Democrats will adopt), than me.


At the same time, the presidential campaign has reached a crucial stage and there is growing unease in many Democratic circles — this includes a growing number of progressives, such as me — that Sanders is close to reaching a line he does not want to cross, which would help presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump and hurt progressives running for the House and Senate in the general election.

The Hill recently published a story, which is correct, that includes a number of progressives who are concerned that Sanders may be going too far in criticizing Clinton. I hope that Sanders and his campaign staff, who are aware of my views, take this to heart.

From my perspective, the best case would be that Sanders continues his campaign through the primaries, stops all attacks against likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, concentrates his fire against Trump, and continues to promote his progressive and populist policies and calls for reform of the Democratic Party.................


Mary Mac

(323 posts)
45. i am biting my tongue about that man, for the sake of party unity.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:50 AM
May 2016

We Hillary supporters have to not get drawn into Bernies vortex. It is excellent practice for not getting drawn into Trumps vortex.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
41. Good for him
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:40 AM
May 2016

DWS stands for everything that he (and his supporters such as myself) are against. It was the right thing to do do endorse her opponent.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
42. He'll be lucky to have any Senate assignments when he limps back into DC in a few weeks.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

No Democrat come lately is going to make a difference.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
43. Bernie has firmly held principles.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:42 AM
May 2016

He will not waver from those principles when speaking truth to power, and he will not kiss anyone's ass for political gain. This puts him at a serious disadvantage with politicians like H. Clinton, who will tell everybody what they want to hear.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
46. Good. Party bosses are are well past their extinction date. K&R
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:59 AM
May 2016

The younger generation is far more sophisticated and unlikely vote obediently for labels fall for for the usual "lesser of two evils" and "not as bad" memes than previously.

livetohike

(22,145 posts)
48. He came out of nowhere to run for the Presidency. Slashing and burning the Democratic party. Is he a
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

Republican? He acts like one. Next he'll say "the Democrat Party", if he hasn't said it already. He criticizes every damn thing.

If he wants to be head of something, let him start his own party because he's burned too many bridges with the Democrats.

Kall

(615 posts)
68. Complain about Greens for running outside the Democratic Party.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

Complain about Sanders for running inside it. Make up your mind.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
70. Bernie Sanders has consistently helped the Democrat agenda get thru Congress over his long
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

career. A career spanning over 30 years. He has helped bills go thru and is called the "Amendment King". He obviously is talented when he can ime from obscurity with no money and become a threat to the most well known and "voted most admired woman 13 times". He obviously knows what he is doing when he raised the amount of money that he has raised by not tapping into the big corps and super Pacs. The has built successful bridges FOR the Democrats for decades....longer than Hillary Clinton has even dreamed about. While she was amassing personal fortune he was working with the Democrats to get things done for this country.

Yes he criticises things.. This Democratic Party need a thorough house cleaning and Debbie Wasserman....needs to be taken out with the garbage. The state of our economy, environment and foreign policy are all in horrible shape. He criticises them because our policies are so bad and hurting this country. People refuse to see what is right in front of their faces. It is easier to keep the status quo then to jump in and make the much needed changes. Somebody has to be the bearer of bad tidings and he keeps repeating it to make sure that everybody hears it and so that everybody keeps hearing it because sometimes you have to hit people over the head before they can see the truth

If the Democrats want to truly survive they need to wake up because they won't have the Clinton's around forever so after they are gone there is no doubt the Democratic Party will be fully ruined....if not before then.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
53. How does he expect to get the Democratic nomination for the Presidency?
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

He thinks he is entitled to it and that the long term rules of the party should have been changed to make it easier for him? Why didn't he tell them this at the beginning?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
55. oh lordy now ya went and done it
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016

DWS has now become a heroine bravely defending herself from the evil Bernie -

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
58. bad news for america has sanders ego is way more important than our future....the angry old
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:25 AM
May 2016

socialist legacy maybe the mark when america was decimated by conservatives and trumps role as president

we may have to accept this is THE BERNIE SANDERS


one that cares only about the stage and microphone in front of him

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
101. The egotistical thing is to kiss up to powerful people
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:04 PM
May 2016

...to get ahead.

Instead, Sanders is following his principles by endorsing Tim Canova who is more liberal than DWS.

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
59. Chris has this completely backward. It is the dem establishment who declared war on Bernie
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

When he announced he was running.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
60. Suspect he has been waiting to see if any of his (our) ideas would be embraced.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:29 AM
May 2016

Nope! So let it all out. I happen to agree. No fracking, no war, no election fraud, no voter suppression, no DWS. I know clinton will be the nominee and I am sure she will win the GE. The DNC has driven me away and I will continue to work for local candidates who are more progressive than the right leaning DNC. This is not bitterness. It is reality. We may not get what we started out for and we keep talking!

TrueDemVA

(250 posts)
61. Give 'em hell Bernie!
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

We should have been demanding more from our party for years. It's about time!

GO BERNIE!!!

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
65. Just received an email request from Bernie to donate to him and Tim Canova.
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

Email excerpt:

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My response:

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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
74. Glad to hear it
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

We don't need Democrats in Congress who shill for the exploitative payday loan industry.

I am also glad to see Bernie get more involved in downballot races. I think that's where he can have the strongest influence if he doesn't get the nomination.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
75. Well the first salvo shot was by DWS, not Sanders.. so there's THAT inaccuracy.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

Starting off with a rather dubious meme doesn't give credibility to what may follow.

I may give this article a read, but I think I won't waste much time with click bait. I'll just scroll through the right wingers in this thread to get a 'read' on this analysis.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
76. So Sanders has given up on his failed revolution and now want to make this personal
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

I am glad that Sanders is no longer pretending that he is part of a magical revolution that would generate so many new voters that the GOP would have to listen to his unrealistic platform. Sanders is now at the stage where he is being vindictive and personal against people he think who have slighted him and has given up on the concept of a revolution

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
97. Tim Canova is more liberal. Sanders said
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:51 PM
May 2016

...this morning, "I've known Debbie for years and personally I like her."

pa28

(6,145 posts)
78. He turned over lots of rocks in this campaign, now he's pointing out the slimy things underneath.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:17 PM
May 2016

Good for him! It needed to be done.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
79. Just?
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

I find it amusing that it's taken a year for folks to realize this is war. It shouldn't have been news as Sen. Sanders has been liberal with the use of the word "revolution". It's only just begun and the vitriol, name calling and vilifying by our opponents is a sure sign that we're doing something right.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
83. Not war. Common sense. DWS payday lender queen. Poor DNC lead. Emotional-angry. Spoiled Brat.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

She's not professional nor does she have a temperament to lead the DNC. i guess a club within the club. Priebus knows his job is to be neutral. DWS acting like a spoiled brat.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
90. This entire primary has been a shit show from day one
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016

and you can place the blame not on Democratic voters, you can place it squarely on the shoulders of inept leadership, which DWS is becoming the poster child for demonstrating incompetence.

The DNC owns this crock of crap, and as a Democratic voter, I do NOT, and I *will* not take responsibility for this boatload of failure.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
93. Never thought he could be so petty until the last few months. I used to really, really like the guy.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:38 PM
May 2016

So disappointing and shocking, really.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
105. Debbie DINO openly supports and campaigns for her GOP cronies down here in Florida.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

And - WE are ordered to always vote for the "D". Right.
She needs to go.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
95. Sanders: 'I've known Debbie for years and personally
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016

...I.like her but she's not the chair the DNC needs now."

Sanders also said he's supporting Tim Canova for US House because "his views line up more with mine."

Calling this war is a bit much.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
106. You Must Obey the Establishment
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:15 PM
May 2016

As usual Cillizza speaks for the establishment. I'm sure in their eyes Bernie is at fault but Bernie endorsing her opponent was a counter punch to the many punches thrown by the establishment during this campaign. The only people who don't see that are the ones who were already aligned with the establishment candidate. Big surprise.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
109. The only way to stop corruption is to state your case against corrupt politicians
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:21 PM
May 2016

Good on you Bernie, we cant let obvious bias get a pass, point a finger at the bums and get them out of office

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
113. Chris Cilizza conveniently skips Bernie saying he likes DWS
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

He just thinks Tim Canova's ideas align closer to his own.

That's not a war.

Ridiculous hyperbole.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
114. He was never a Democrat and still isn't one.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:22 PM
May 2016

He thought that he could hijack the Democratic party and failed. Although it's evident that he won't be the nominee, he still can't muster enough grace or class to admit defeat.

No one was asking him to drop out, but at the very least he could have toned down his attacks against the person who will be the standard bearer in the general election.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
116. Then why is he chair of several committees representing the Dems? Why does he caucus with the Dems?
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:29 AM
May 2016

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
130. Because he's the only Independent in the Senate.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:08 AM
May 2016

Who was he going to caucus with, the Republicans???

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
120. DWS allied herself w/Sheldon Adelson to make sure medical marijuana users in FL would go to prison
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:48 AM
May 2016

so what does that make her?

jillan

(39,451 posts)
117. Good for Bernie!! DWS has been the worst DNC chair of my lifetime. And I'm pretty old.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:30 AM
May 2016

We've lost more seats under her leadership both at the federal and local levels.

She's for payday lenders AND against medical marijuana.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
118. Bernie's awesome!
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:32 AM
May 2016

Way to keep the integrity and stand up for the people and democracy!

FEEL THE BERN!!!


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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
138. Does anybody think Schultz has done a good job?
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:43 AM
May 2016

I think it's at least a fairly universal position. Am I wrong about that?

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