2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPolitifact: Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention UNFOUNDED
FOR THE RECORD:
http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)think
(11,641 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)There was fraud, and committed by the Bernie campaign.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)The guy said he got pissed off at the perceived "theft" of NY and switched his registration in a fit of pique.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...championing leaving the party.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Maybe some of the other 57 took it to heart, as well, changed their registrations, and helped screw things up for Sanders in Nevada.
Or maybe some of the 400+ who didn't even bother to show up had changed theirs, as well, so they knew they were ineligible and didn't bother to go.
That would be ironic.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I think, actually, that's why Sanders camp couldn't get everyone to come, too many people knew they couldn't prove their registration. That's why before it even started there was a speech given to shut it down.
Corporate666
(587 posts)The large number of people who showed up to the 2nd level meeting seems to have been an organized effort by the Sanders reddit group among other forums where Berniebros hang out and formulate plans to bend the outcome to their favor.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if some out-of-state Sanders supporters represented themselves as viable choices or if some of them weren't registers dems at all.
In other words, Sanderistas keep saying "if they were illegitimate, they wouldn't have been selected at the 2nd level" - but how do these people know what level of checking was done at the 2nd level? Presumably the HRC campaign didn't like that the BS'ers were trying to wrest the win from her and decided to triple check everyone for round 3. Furthermore, how do the BS'ers complaining about events in NV know that the people who showed up were even the actual delegates? I mean, let's say they find some of their delegates either aren't going to show, or are no longer registered as democrats. They send someone else along who shows up and says "Yep, I am Bob Smith, the delegate", but he has no ID or can't verify his address?
The idea that the BS supporters would be above doing such a thing is laughable.
In summary, the assumption that those excluded were done so illegitimately is a foolish assumption.
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)The chair of the Nevada Democratic party did not run that meeting in a fair and neutral manner. But Politifact thinks otherwise. Sorry Politifact, but I'll take the actual video over your spin.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)which is in actuality a RIGHT WING RAG that lies about candidates all the time... In particular... ANYONE WHO IS PROGRESSIVE! A completely corrupt outfit that cannot be trusted to print the truth even if you hand it to the reporter in writing. Asa candidate for congress I learned this early after getting burned by "shorthand" taking reporters. However, even when you provide written policy they will still write whatever the F they want. This nonsense that the Politi"fact" outfit is spewing is just a defensive play for the ESTABLISHMENT democratic Party Apparatchiks to soothe the worries of the large number of rank and file Democrats who want some authority to make this bad news go away so that they don't have to be upset about those actual videos that show EXACTLY WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Claim: Angry Bernie Sanders supporters threw chairs during an adversarial Nevada Democrat convention in May 2016.
FALSE
http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Posted by Surya Gayatri
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512028624#post6
Fortunately, removed from the would-be thrower's hands before anyone could be injured.
The video has gone viral.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Breathless panic-mongering about those violent Bernie-Bros and their Nevada riot. Frightening poor Senator Boxer into giving them the finger.
Now that it's been proven to be lies, Clinton supporters want to tell us the latest version of their "truth".
Sorry, I still believe my lying eyes over you.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Unless you have video from all angles at all times, making a blanket statement that something didn't happen is misguided, at best.
If someone gets murdered and no one is there to see it or took video, is the guy still dead?
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Now if you had added "...and their was no body" then you would have something. That would be investigated (depending on the circumstances) as a missing person.
You don't need "video from all angles" to know a convenient political lie. That's as bad as bush's dead-enders claiming that if you
didn't see all of the intelligence from Iraq you couldn't prove that there weren't weapons of mass destruction.
Thanks for playing Bad Analogy, back to the Twilight Zone with you.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)I hope you're not a lawyer.
"If someone gets murdered and no one is there to see it or took video, is the guy still dead?"
?????????????????????????????????????
Where's the "body" in the convention? Who got hit by the chair? Where is the victim? No body, no murder.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)Journalism is dead. It's all reality TV.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)MH1
(17,600 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)the last thing you want brought up are skeletons.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)The BS cheerleaders acted shamelessly ... it's too bad people like you are apologists for it.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)identification of the caller(s) who made death threats? Have you no skepticism, about a campaign built on lies and dirty tricks?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)This endorsement makes me question the fact checkers coverage and the choices of statements to be checked. Politifact has given Clinton more than double the attention it has given Sanders 183 statements from the former compared to 82 statements from the latter.
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/04/politifact-gives-clinton-more-than-double-the-cove.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512028624#post15
Buns_of_Fire
(17,182 posts)never really happened at all. It was just filmed on sound stage 3 at Culver City, as part of a crossover episode of Trump's "The President" reality show on MSNBC with "Those Wacky Clintons!" on Comedy Central.
Somehow, despite both shows being the lowest-rated in their respective network's history, they're both still running. And rumor is that one of them will be renewed for at least four years.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)From the article linked to in the post just above:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4bzo7i_new-video-of-nevada-dem-convention-might-explain-reports-of-chair-throwing_news
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4bzp7u_nevada-incident-three-views_news
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)This one looked more like wielding but 4 Sanders supporters surrounded him and made sure the chair was put down immediately. Also, the reporters of rushing the stage are obviously highly exaggerated, as everyone stayed behind a barrier that looks to have been at least 10 feet from the stage and most likely more th a that.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)for the "chairs were thrown" nonsense?
Yeah, you are a credible opinionator type sort.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)maybe you can get a buck or two from the pawn shop when the fallout abates.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)The ones that won't ... no tragic loss.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)never a President.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)Shady goings on.