2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhen people talk about Bernie not being a "real Democrat", think about this
From Borowitz yes, but right on point:
Integrity Disqualifies Sanders for White House
Hillary on the other hand is the complete opposite, perhaps the most connected politician to run for office in the past 50 years. It shouldn't matter if she's done more for the party if that means that she will put her rich and powerful friends' interests over the interests of the Democratic Party constituency and the American people.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)was terrible because he only made a couple of deals to get the civil rights bill passed. what BS.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)through.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)LBJ lied the nation into a war. That war fucked up this country for nearly two generations. Do a little research about how LBJ's cronies profited from it. Start with about 7,000 Bell UH-1 "Hueys". Where's Bell Helicopter? Oh yeah... TEXAS.
By the way, LBJ made the statement found in my subject line (about the Gulf of Tonkin incident) while drinkin' with some of his friends, and raucous laughter ensued...
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)deals are made and always have. FDR made deals. okay want me to change it.
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seekthetruth
(504 posts)I guess all Hillary supporters hate environmentalism then with Her support for fracking.
Fuck the earth, right??
seekthetruth
(504 posts)Of the same coin.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)kpola12
(78 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and a safe space
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JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Seriously?
You folks sure have shown some interesting liberal values up there on your high horses.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)But Hillary's platform is to imprison those who need/ use marijuana. It needs more study says the person who takes money from the private prison lobby.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I don't agree with the language choice, but the OP is one of the stupidest fucking things I've read on DU in a long time. And that's saying something. Sanders supporters aren't American? Gross.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Now it's "no longer American" to be passionate about saving what's left of democracy?
...."no longer American" to stand for peace? .. to stand for correcting income inequality?
Oh my. Panties in a bunch much?
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots."
You don't believe what I believe. That's unAmerican. or not.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)You don't give a damn shit about what's happening to this country.
.99center
(1,237 posts)Were not Americans if we dont support Hillary's primary campaign. I hate to see what type of mud will be flung from Hillary when we dont support her wars or her cuts on SS . Can we expect the same unamerican labels that Bush and Rove threw around at critic's with Hillary in WH? She's picking up where Bush left off.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Anyone who supported Sanders is not an American?
Do you even think before you type things?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Match made in Heaven.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)What bs.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...she won more delegates than her opponents.
Simple, that's the way it works, and that's the way it's worked for decades.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)No, it hasn't worked this way for decades because the Democratic Party has moved its platform ever so closely to the right, thereby causing a significant rift between the more conservative members of the party and its base.
Hence, the rift we're all seeing play out at the present moment.
You cannot ask me to vote for someone who doesn't hold my progressive values and stands rather for neoliberal values, any more than I can ask you to vote for someone who stands for neoliberal values versus more progressive values.
Socially (less the death penalty), I'm onboard with Clinton.
Any matters related to the environment, healthcare, foreign policy, money in politics, lobbyists, education, workers rights ($15/hour min wage), and a host of others.....we're worlds apart.
Get it?
seekthetruth
(504 posts).....given the current state of affairs of our failing economic and social infrastructures (which are mainly influenced by economics), I believe that any social injustices have root from our finance (economic) system.
Hence, Clinton supporters ignore the root of the problem in our society -> THE ECONOMY.
Get it again?
George II
(67,782 posts)....didn't get the nomination? And you prefer Trump over Clinton?
seekthetruth
(504 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Logsdon said that Sanders might persist in his quest for the White House despite his ineligibility but that such an effort would be doomed to fail. Our political system has been refined over the years specifically to keep people like Bernie Sanders out of the White House, he said. The system works.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)In fact, I will because it is worthy of repeating:
I thought Borowitz only did satire.
There IS no satire here,
just the plain truth.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)He hold deep disdain for the party. He is pretty open about what he thinks of democrats. No one has to say he is not a democrat. His actions say it.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)And that's a good thing nowadays, is it not?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)then neither was THIS guy:
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
---FDR, SOTU, 1944
Please note that the above are stipulated as Basic Human RIGHTS to be protected by our government,
and NOT as COMMODITIES to be SOLD to Americans by For Profit Corporations.
and neither was THIS guy:
This guy passed Medicare, Medicaid, The very successful WAR on Poverty. the Civil Rights Act, and all the programs of The Great Society that helped the Working Class and the poor.
So if Bernie is not a "Democrat" in your book,
then neither am I, because I will be PROUD to continue to STAND with the Father of the modern Democratic Party, FDR, and the other great Democrats of that era, JFK, RFK, LBJ!
Bernie agrees with them, and so do I!!!
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I said, Bernie distances HIMSELF.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)Great post! Yes!
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)..and so true.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)If he holds deep disdain then why has he caucused with them for 30 years?
Please elaborate.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Even Sanders acknowledges that. In fact, he revels in it.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Maybe we shouldn't vote for the Anointed One?
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)who don't want to be democrats.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Just like a corrupt police organization needs an outsider to clean it up?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)No doubt he's well aware of all the corruption in Congress, and who's crooked.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)on all of the corruption. At this point, what does he have to lose?
vintx
(1,748 posts)BzaDem
(11,142 posts)If you actually believe this is true, shouldn't his supporters search for someone that can actually be elected? After all, this is not a beauty contest. This is an election for a powerful national office (who selects people for other powerful national offices). It would seem to behoove us to elect someone that can actually get elected.
On the other hand, if you don't believe this is true, and believe that he could have won the nomination (but simply didn't), I'm not sure what the point of the post is. (This is my view.)
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)of Politics. Not mentioning any names (as the ones that do know who I mean).
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Of course anyone who's been in politics since the 60's does, however.
Some people don't condone the first principles of Politics as Usual... as defined by today.
rock
(13,218 posts)No, but they may think they do. Incidentally first principles do not require condoning, they just are.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)This delight in the awful, conniving, pay for play nepotism that is Third Way politics today is positively Machiavellian.
There's a candidate no one had heard of, who in a matter of months has majorly challenged and upset a PR candidate that has been running since the 20th century. (the 2nd time this has happened... one reason why the powers that be did everything, fair or unfair, to squelch the unknown) A PR candidate that might actually lose to an orangutan.
I think the non-PR candidate knows plenty.
"they just are"
a version of
"no we can't" change anything. Pitiful.
rock
(13,218 posts)NewImproved Deal
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AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Self-professed Clinton Democrat, Alison L. Grimes, dodging whether or not she voted for President Obama.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)as a Senate candidate. Or for other Democratic-Socialists to try.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)for example ( and I am not accusing Bernie of lacking integrity ) if a house or senate member refuses to advance legislation because they are concerned about challenges from the far left or far right, this can be seen as being a chicken and looking out for their own career. I point to the Bluedogs that courageously helped pass the ACA. And also to the Republicans that the tea party took down.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)The Democratic base. Congress. And I expect world leaders from what I have seen of the way he reacts, without homework.
He has done nothing to build an infrastructure to do a damn thing. He is not a Democrat. I do not want him. I have never seen a Democrat behave so poorly in any race, let alone a primary.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Bernie would be a terrible president in my opinion.