2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumShock Poll: Sanders Ahead of Trump by 15 Points, Hillary Just by 3
A major national poll has some surprising numbers in it.
A shocker. A new NBC News/Wall St Journal poll has Bernie up 54 to 39 over Donald Trump.
Meanwhile, according to the same poll, Hillary Clinton no longer has a double digit lead over Donald Trump like she did just a month ago -- her lead over Trump is just 3 points.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-now-has-double-digit-lead-over-donald-trump-while-hillary-clintons-lead
k8conant
(3,030 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)By 100%.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Skinner calls it...GD primary is over and the long national nightmare primary is over...on to the White House for Hillary!
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)On your rush to the WH you may want to appeal to swing voters to actually win that GE and according to NBC those swing voters are Bernie supporters. You know the ones you shit on every day.
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/poll-voters-have-unfavorable-views-toward-presumptive-party-nominees-690674755503
SouthernDemLinda
(182 posts)Yes, before Demsrule86 decides Hill and Bill are back in the WH they might want to do some research!
A new ABC News/Washington Post poll has Trump beating Hillary. Among the registered voters polled 46 percent for Trump, 44 percent for Clinton.
Fox News pollsters Trump has 45 percent support, while Clinton, trails with 42, putting her just within the poll's margin of error.
In September 2012 the same Fox News pollsters had Obama beat Romney by 5% which is exactly how much he won by.
Donald Trump beats or matches Hillary Clinton in two new polls
New York Daily News?.
Bernie Sanders, in an average of four national polls for the month of May, defeats Trump by 10.8 points.Polls in 2016
HuffPost Model
Our model of the polls suggests Sanders is very likely leading. (In >99% of simulations, Sanders led Trump.)
Polls that tested both Democratic candidates, Sanders ran stronger against Trump in six of them.
Hillary Clinton keeps losing. So how come she's winning?
Is the Democratic Party is run by a bunch of numbnuts!
Logical
(22,457 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)and the more people see (and hear) her, the lower her numbers go.
I just wish the FBI would recommend an indictment and save us from President Trump.
Joob
(1,065 posts)Her judgement is horrible, she used the State Department as a tool for her Clinton Foundation, where magically people who donated to it ended up with weapon deals. I hate to even imagine what she'd use her Presidency as for her so called "Foundation"
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)The opposite is not true.
That's the difference.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)If logic had anything to do with it.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)It just encourages more bad behavior, and insults the millions of Americans who voted for Clinton.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Sanders slaughters Trump.
Bleacher Creature
(11,257 posts)And I'm not going around this circle again.
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)...everyone who fears socialism would turn to Trump, and that's a lot more of a deficit.
Trump may be calling Clinton "Crooked Hillary", but "Comrade Bernie" has a better ring.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Sander has lost this primary...so thankfully none of us who have come to know and despise him will have to vote for him in the GE.
Logical
(22,457 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)He won't be the nominee based on May poll numbers that are artificially inflated because the electorate hasn't yet been properly introduced to the saintly Senator Sanders.
It's amazing how many progressives want to substitute their judgement for the voice of the voters.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)totalitarianism.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Here just one more time:
Bernie has not been vetted. These numbers always includes Hillary voters that in greater number would vote for Bernie if he wins the GE, where there are far more BOB that would not vote for Hillary in the GE.
BSers just need to stop with these stupid invalid polls.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)But Hillaryites and the msm choose to ignore it. November will be interesting.
amborin
(16,631 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)That's what I think I saw on the teeVee earlier today, but was only half paying attention at the time.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)apples to oranges
2 vs 1 = 0
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)And that's why they are the tool specifically designed to tell us where people are at.
And that's why, if people like you don't pay attention, Hillary will be the nominee and we will lose.
And then you will say,"Who could have seen this coming?" And "It's all Bernie's fault."
When it is really your own fault for hiding your head in the sand and ignoring everything you don't want to acknowledge.
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)If it's all you've got, well, that and the smug, I guess that's all you can say.
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pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)or is smug all you've got?
icecreamfan
(115 posts)Clinton lost 19 and Trump gained 17, which left Clinton up only 3% among that demographic. Obama won 18-29s by more than 23 points.
If Clinton can't win by a margin of more than 10% among 18-29s, she has little chance of winning the election.