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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:33 PM May 2016

Clinton campaign declines invitation to California debate

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton on Monday declined an invitation from Fox News to participate in a debate with rival Bernie Sanders in California before that state's June 7 primary.

Clinton and Sanders are competing aggressively in California as primaries wrap up.

But Clinton is close to getting the delegates she needs to seal the nomination. Sanders says he has a chance to pass her in pledged delegates, though he admits he faces tough odds. Then he would have to persuade many superdelegates to switch their support to him.

Campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri said Clinton will compete hard in the remaining primary states, particularly California, while also turning her attention to presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump.

"We believe that Hillary Clinton's time is best spent campaigning and meeting directly with voters across California and preparing for a general election campaign that will ensure the White House remains in Democratic hands," Palmieri said.

Clinton's decision was quickly criticized by Sanders.

"I am disappointed but not surprised by Secretary Clinton's unwillingness to debate before the largest and most important primary in the presidential nominating process," he said in a statement.

"Democracy, and respect for the voters of California, would suggest that there should be a vigorous debate in which the voters may determine whose ideas they support," he said. "I hope Secretary Clinton reconsiders her unfortunate decision to back away from her commitment to debate."

Bill Sammon, Fox News vice president and Washington managing editor, said the decision was unfortunate."


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Hillary will cave and a debate will happen.

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Clinton campaign declines invitation to California debate (Original Post) NWCorona May 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #1
That would be kind of admitting Demsrule86 May 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #22
Seriously? Demsrule86 May 2016 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #65
Fox News scheduled a debate for March Eric J in MN May 2016 #12
bernie teams up with fox news and the republicans. nice nt msongs May 2016 #2
Obama isn't afraid of Fox either. NWCorona May 2016 #4
It was rude and unprofessional of Sanders to accept and egg on Hillary and then go public riversedge May 2016 #6
How soon we forget NWCorona May 2016 #11
What is Hillary afraid of? Could it be... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #35
What a load of shit. Hillary already AGREED to a California debate John Poet May 2016 #60
No Democrat should go on Fox Demsrule86 May 2016 #63
Fine by me. No need to give Fox and fodder via Clinton or Sanders. riversedge May 2016 #3
Fox and Bernie have a sad Demsrule86 May 2016 #5
Kind of comical. She's trying to pretend he doesn't exist. That's OK, she's bjo59 May 2016 #7
Again Demsrule86 May 2016 #64
Fox News presents: Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump Bye Bye Birdie May 2016 #8
Good!! I do not like giving fodder to Fox Peacetrain May 2016 #10
There have been enough debates KingFlorez May 2016 #13
She knows the more people see/hear her, the lower her numbers go... Yurovsky May 2016 #14
but hiding behind footmen and noise machines knocks the numbers down too! lose-lose! MisterP May 2016 #44
I don't blame her. Why should she? cali May 2016 #15
Why? Something called honor and keeping your word. NWCorona May 2016 #18
We're talking about Hillary. cali May 2016 #21
True! NWCorona May 2016 #24
Hillary proves she just says things and doesn't mean them, again. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #16
Hubris. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #17
So yesterday's thread saying she accepted was more bunk? Like the CA poll and the Obama endorsement bettyellen May 2016 #19
Fox News Can Eat A.... Grassy Knoll May 2016 #20
There is absolutely no tactical advantage, non for Primary and non for GE Sheepshank May 2016 #23
Clinton goes back on her word and agreement made in January, why should people believe her? nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #25
And water is wet! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #36
Not trustworthy, the examples just pile up! nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #38
Good! hrmjustin May 2016 #26
BS wanting a debate even though he is the presumptive loser is so sad... dubyadiprecession May 2016 #27
As well she should ... salinsky May 2016 #28
She has nothing to gain and everything to lose. DCBob May 2016 #29
Why did she agree to this debate at the end of January? Was she stupid then and smart today ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #37
Situation has changed. DCBob May 2016 #61
GOOD!!! nt Jitter65 May 2016 #30
Hey Bernie, CA is the largest, but this year it's nowhere near to being the most important...nt SidDithers May 2016 #31
I don't believe she will MFM008 May 2016 #32
breaking her word again. this should really help with her "trust" problem nt restorefreedom May 2016 #33
Sanders should invite Trump to debate instead Baaadger May 2016 #34
That could work out very well. I'd watch it. senz May 2016 #42
In essence, Clinton tells us that her promises have no meaning ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #39
She's hoping that if she ignores him, he'll go away. senz May 2016 #40
You got that right! But she is displaying a quality that many people find offensive. nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #41
Yes, a certain arrogance and disdain for democratic practices. senz May 2016 #43
No reason to believe what she promises. nt slipslidingaway May 2016 #55
So, another promise, unrealized... another lie... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #45
She's A LIAR... Nothing more, nothing less. AzDar May 2016 #46
No money in it for her. derpderpderp May 2016 #47
Debates are held to help voters decide Tarc May 2016 #48
I didn't know that California has decided already? NWCorona May 2016 #50
Have you heard of this handy invention called "a calendar" ? Tarc May 2016 #51
And New Jersey :) Unaffiliated voters can vote for either party unlike NY which has the ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #53
Wow...she really lacks integrity. Does her word mean nothing? EndElectoral May 2016 #49
As if... madamesilverspurs May 2016 #52
As if Clinton entered into the agreement with good intent in late January ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #54
My opinion won't be a popular one, but...why yet ANOTHER debate? AgadorSparticus May 2016 #56
For one Clinton agreed to the debate, keep your promise, another reason is that many people I have slipslidingaway May 2016 #57
I get what you are saying but people have a responsibility to find out too. AgadorSparticus May 2016 #66
I cannot tell you how many people I have spoken with who say they are undecided when they vote ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #67
There should never be a Democratic debate on FOX. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #58
Fabulous. Really glad to hear that. She didn't need to and it would serve no purpose Number23 May 2016 #59

Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
9. That would be kind of admitting
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016

He kind of likes Trump...well I guess he does since his campaign guy says he agrees with Trumps attacks on Hillary.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #9)

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
62. Seriously?
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:09 AM
May 2016

I think some of you live in a parallel universe. Why would any Democratic primary candidate much less the winner choose Fox News for a debate? The fact Bernie picked Fox says a great deal. She has won in delegate speak by a landslide...he is out of money...free publicity for him...from her point of view it makes no sense...and from a GE perspective it would be stupid...what good would allowing Fox and Bernie to basically attack Clinton for an hour with the potential for further damage which could be used against her in the GE do? Primaries pick a candidate for the GE: nothing more..and that has been accomplished. She made the right decision. The primary is over. He needs to start winding down the campaign.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #62)

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
12. Fox News scheduled a debate for March
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

...between Sanders and Trump. Trump cancelled.

Then it was supposed to an hour long town hall with Bernie Sanders. But Clinton wanted in, so it was a town hall with a half-hour of Sanders and then a half-hour of Clinton.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
6. It was rude and unprofessional of Sanders to accept and egg on Hillary and then go public
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:39 PM
May 2016

with his acceptance. But he has a habit of going without negotiations and putting out press releases.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
60. What a load of shit. Hillary already AGREED to a California debate
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:25 AM
May 2016

MONTHS AGO.


She is a coward and a liar, and the whole episode further demonstrates why she should not be trusted to be President of the United States, let alone the nominee of the Democratic party.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
5. Fox and Bernie have a sad
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:39 PM
May 2016

They were so looking forward to ganging up on Hillary....attacking her as they always do.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
7. Kind of comical. She's trying to pretend he doesn't exist. That's OK, she's
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016

doing enough damage to herself with her support of a bill that forces a minimum wage of $4.25 on Puerto Rico. Way to go, Clinton; you think people in California aren't wondering what you'll do to the minimum wage in the US at the behest of your banking and corporate backers when the time comes?

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
64. Again
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:19 AM
May 2016

Have you got a better idea? One that could get through Congress? Should the people starve while waiting for the perfect and pure solution that Congress would agree with? This is why Bernie would make a lousy president...he showed it with the autos...and don't tell me he voted for them...he did vote in favor during the first vote; it did not pass...The second vote in January contained the auto money and bank money which Bernie knew...no question it was discussed before the vote. He voted against it; he hated the banks. He was willing to sacrifice all those good union jobs to attack the banks...this was probably the last vote as bailouts were unpopular...and we came damn close to losing auto forever. So for all his talk and supposed love of unions...his actions make little sense in the real world...and often would do a great deal of harm as in the case of autos. Bernie Sanders would be a terrible president...he has no ideas that would really benefit anyone and work in the real world. And don't act like because wants the minimum wage raised and single payer...somehow this makes him unique...we have wanted single payer for years and to raise the minimum too...as well as some of Bernie's other ideas which he seems to think he invented. But you have to have an idea how to accomplish things...he doesn't. You know the old saying...talk is cheap ....actions speak louder than words.

 

Bye Bye Birdie

(8 posts)
8. Fox News presents: Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016

Now begins the battle, and just before the California primaries to *SEE* who performs better.

Call it a preview.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
13. There have been enough debates
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:46 PM
May 2016

Not to mention that there individual town halls with each candidate. There really isn't much left to be debated that the candidates haven't already discussed.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
14. She knows the more people see/hear her, the lower her numbers go...
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:46 PM
May 2016

she is just not a likeable person. She just wants this handed to her, like virtually everything else in her life. Poor little rich girl who was born on 3rd base and thought she hit a triple. She's nothing more than a mouthpiece for Goldman Sachs and corporate oppressors like Walmart.

Debate in California? Naw, she'll just shake down some rich folks and jet off to her next $250,000 a plate fundraiser. No need to interact with the peasants.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. So yesterday's thread saying she accepted was more bunk? Like the CA poll and the Obama endorsement
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

on Facebook of all places. Some people will fall for anything!

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
23. There is absolutely no tactical advantage, non for Primary and non for GE
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:00 PM
May 2016

I agree with that decision.

dubyadiprecession

(5,714 posts)
27. BS wanting a debate even though he is the presumptive loser is so sad...
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:47 PM
May 2016

The primaries are pretty much over, and he is just embarrassing himself.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
28. As well she should ...
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

... FAUX News is not a legitimate news source and has nothing but bad intentions to contribute to the Democratic primary.

Screw them and screw Bernie for being willing to serve them.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
29. She has nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:54 PM
May 2016

She would be stupid to do this debate... and Hillary is not stupid.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
37. Why did she agree to this debate at the end of January? Was she stupid then and smart today ...
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

or stupid then and goes back on her word a few months later?

When Clinton wanted a debate before NH Sanders agreed if she and the DNC would agree to other debates, including one in March, April and May.

She agreed! She was stupid to agree back then, but she Really wanted that debate before the NH election.

This is just another example of why she cannot be trusted to follow through on her promises, oh it does not benefit me today, so the hell with everyone else and what I agreed to a few months ago.

That is why people do not trust what she states, this is just another example.









MFM008

(19,814 posts)
32. I don't believe she will
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:07 PM
May 2016

Why if he's 18 points behind in California . If she wants a debate pick him as VP and let him debate Trumps vp.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
39. In essence, Clinton tells us that her promises have no meaning ...
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders agree to four more debates

by Dylan Byers @CNNMoney
February 3, 2016: 3:54 PM ET

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/03/media/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-new-hampshire-debate/

"..."Having our candidates in agreement on their desire to add debates to our sanctioned schedule, the DNC has sanctioned an MSNBC debate on February 4 at the University of New Hampshire in Durham," Wasserman Schultz said.

"The candidates have also agreed to participate in three newly scheduled DNC sanctioned debates to be held in addition to the February 11 PBS News Hour, and March 9 Univision debates already planned. The first of these new debates is confirmed to take place in Flint, Michigan on March 6th, with the remaining two taking place in April and May with times and locations to be determined. We will continue to work closely with both campaigns as we finalize the remaining details."

Whatever the venues, the additional debates are a boon to Democrats who believed the initial primary schedule was too limited. Both the Sanders and the Martin O'Malley campaigns had criticized the DNC for holding just six debates, and for holding many of them on weekends..."


 

senz

(11,945 posts)
40. She's hoping that if she ignores him, he'll go away.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

But she's also hoping his supporters won't go away.

Yeah...

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
43. Yes, a certain arrogance and disdain for democratic practices.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016

Does wonders for her likeability and trustworthiness.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
48. Debates are held to help voters decide
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

The decision has already been made; Hillary will be the Democratic nominee. Another debate at this stage would be pointless.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
51. Have you heard of this handy invention called "a calendar" ?
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:24 PM
May 2016

Someone has to go last in the primary season, most every year, the nomination is effectively sewn up before the last handful of states get to vote. California was a Super Tuesday state in 2008; direct your caterwauling at them for moving forward to June.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
53. And New Jersey :) Unaffiliated voters can vote for either party unlike NY which has the ...
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

strictest laws in the nation timewise for changing party affiliation.



slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
54. As if Clinton entered into the agreement with good intent in late January ...
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:08 AM
May 2016

shall I say LMFAO that anyone should believe what she says?

She'll say anything and then go back on her word in a heartbeat, there is a reason she has such high unfavorable numbers and has a high level of mistrust among voters.





AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
56. My opinion won't be a popular one, but...why yet ANOTHER debate?
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:20 AM
May 2016

Quite honestly, I think we have had FAR TOO MANY so far. If people don't know by now, they will never know. Let it go. And this late into the primaries, we don't need or 2 nominees to be punching at each other. We need to show a more united front and move on to convention.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
57. For one Clinton agreed to the debate, keep your promise, another reason is that many people I have
Tue May 24, 2016, 01:28 AM
May 2016

called do not play close attention to politics.

I cannot believe the number of people that state they have not paid close attention and are still undecided, Clinton will not likely have the number of pledged delegates needed before the convention.

Let people have a vote.



AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
66. I get what you are saying but people have a responsibility to find out too.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016

Are we going to have debates everyday up to the day of the convention because some people are still uninformed? No. You can't force people to pay attention. There will always be low information voters.

Besides, unless there is something that we haven't covered, I really don't see the point in hashing out the same points over and over.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
67. I cannot tell you how many people I have spoken with who say they are undecided when they vote ...
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:36 PM
May 2016

in a few days or the next day.

Many people are too busy struggling to get on with their lives and they think politics take a back seat, right or wrong, there are many who do not pay that much attention when trying to get through the daily chores. They realize the system is rigged on a variety of fronts, the corporate media being one of those.

So those people who I have spoken with in SC, Fl. WV, Pa. Kentucky etc. etc. are just low information voters because they are not paying as much attention to politics and say they are still undecided the night before an election, yes I will say that has me perplexed, but many people have other concerns on a daily basis.

But I would not classify them as low information voters, they have unfortunately other daily concerns and many do not feel their vote counts so they are not paying as much attention. That is a shame on our system.

Last night Chris Matthews stated the corporate media intends to declare Clinton the Dem nominee three hours before the final votes are cast in Ca. even though she will not have the required number of pledged delegates before the convention. The media should not have a say, unfortunately we know they do.

There are over 150 superdelegates that have not endorsed a candidate and Clinton is under FBI investigation and today the State Dept. has stated she did not adhere to their rules.

There are many issues which can be discussed that have not been thoroughly hashed out, Hillary made a commitment which she is now trying to dodge.



Number23

(24,544 posts)
59. Fabulous. Really glad to hear that. She didn't need to and it would serve no purpose
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:55 AM
May 2016

considering the results of the Dem primary are as clear as crystal right now.

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