2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton campaign declines invitation to California debate
"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton on Monday declined an invitation from Fox News to participate in a debate with rival Bernie Sanders in California before that state's June 7 primary.
Clinton and Sanders are competing aggressively in California as primaries wrap up.
But Clinton is close to getting the delegates she needs to seal the nomination. Sanders says he has a chance to pass her in pledged delegates, though he admits he faces tough odds. Then he would have to persuade many superdelegates to switch their support to him.
Campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri said Clinton will compete hard in the remaining primary states, particularly California, while also turning her attention to presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump.
"We believe that Hillary Clinton's time is best spent campaigning and meeting directly with voters across California and preparing for a general election campaign that will ensure the White House remains in Democratic hands," Palmieri said.
Clinton's decision was quickly criticized by Sanders.
"I am disappointed but not surprised by Secretary Clinton's unwillingness to debate before the largest and most important primary in the presidential nominating process," he said in a statement.
"Democracy, and respect for the voters of California, would suggest that there should be a vigorous debate in which the voters may determine whose ideas they support," he said. "I hope Secretary Clinton reconsiders her unfortunate decision to back away from her commitment to debate."
Bill Sammon, Fox News vice president and Washington managing editor, said the decision was unfortunate."
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Hillary will cave and a debate will happen.
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Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)He kind of likes Trump...well I guess he does since his campaign guy says he agrees with Trumps attacks on Hillary.
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Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)I think some of you live in a parallel universe. Why would any Democratic primary candidate much less the winner choose Fox News for a debate? The fact Bernie picked Fox says a great deal. She has won in delegate speak by a landslide...he is out of money...free publicity for him...from her point of view it makes no sense...and from a GE perspective it would be stupid...what good would allowing Fox and Bernie to basically attack Clinton for an hour with the potential for further damage which could be used against her in the GE do? Primaries pick a candidate for the GE: nothing more..and that has been accomplished. She made the right decision. The primary is over. He needs to start winding down the campaign.
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Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...between Sanders and Trump. Trump cancelled.
Then it was supposed to an hour long town hall with Bernie Sanders. But Clinton wanted in, so it was a town hall with a half-hour of Sanders and then a half-hour of Clinton.
msongs
(67,413 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)with his acceptance. But he has a habit of going without negotiations and putting out press releases.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
John Poet
(2,510 posts)MONTHS AGO.
She is a coward and a liar, and the whole episode further demonstrates why she should not be trusted to be President of the United States, let alone the nominee of the Democratic party.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Why support their lies?
riversedge
(70,242 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)They were so looking forward to ganging up on Hillary....attacking her as they always do.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)doing enough damage to herself with her support of a bill that forces a minimum wage of $4.25 on Puerto Rico. Way to go, Clinton; you think people in California aren't wondering what you'll do to the minimum wage in the US at the behest of your banking and corporate backers when the time comes?
Have you got a better idea? One that could get through Congress? Should the people starve while waiting for the perfect and pure solution that Congress would agree with? This is why Bernie would make a lousy president...he showed it with the autos...and don't tell me he voted for them...he did vote in favor during the first vote; it did not pass...The second vote in January contained the auto money and bank money which Bernie knew...no question it was discussed before the vote. He voted against it; he hated the banks. He was willing to sacrifice all those good union jobs to attack the banks...this was probably the last vote as bailouts were unpopular...and we came damn close to losing auto forever. So for all his talk and supposed love of unions...his actions make little sense in the real world...and often would do a great deal of harm as in the case of autos. Bernie Sanders would be a terrible president...he has no ideas that would really benefit anyone and work in the real world. And don't act like because wants the minimum wage raised and single payer...somehow this makes him unique...we have wanted single payer for years and to raise the minimum too...as well as some of Bernie's other ideas which he seems to think he invented. But you have to have an idea how to accomplish things...he doesn't. You know the old saying...talk is cheap ....actions speak louder than words.
Bye Bye Birdie
(8 posts)Now begins the battle, and just before the California primaries to *SEE* who performs better.
Call it a preview.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Not to mention that there individual town halls with each candidate. There really isn't much left to be debated that the candidates haven't already discussed.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)she is just not a likeable person. She just wants this handed to her, like virtually everything else in her life. Poor little rich girl who was born on 3rd base and thought she hit a triple. She's nothing more than a mouthpiece for Goldman Sachs and corporate oppressors like Walmart.
Debate in California? Naw, she'll just shake down some rich folks and jet off to her next $250,000 a plate fundraiser. No need to interact with the peasants.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)And there's no reason for her to cave
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)This shouldn't even be news.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)on Facebook of all places. Some people will fall for anything!
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)..Parking lot diaper football.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I agree with that decision.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,714 posts)The primaries are pretty much over, and he is just embarrassing himself.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... FAUX News is not a legitimate news source and has nothing but bad intentions to contribute to the Democratic primary.
Screw them and screw Bernie for being willing to serve them.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)She would be stupid to do this debate... and Hillary is not stupid.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)or stupid then and goes back on her word a few months later?
When Clinton wanted a debate before NH Sanders agreed if she and the DNC would agree to other debates, including one in March, April and May.
She agreed! She was stupid to agree back then, but she Really wanted that debate before the NH election.
This is just another example of why she cannot be trusted to follow through on her promises, oh it does not benefit me today, so the hell with everyone else and what I agreed to a few months ago.
That is why people do not trust what she states, this is just another example.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Then there was still some chance Bernie could pull it off.. now.. not.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
MFM008
(19,814 posts)Why if he's 18 points behind in California . If she wants a debate pick him as VP and let him debate Trumps vp.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Baaadger
(5 posts)... that would change the game!
senz
(11,945 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders agree to four more debates
by Dylan Byers @CNNMoney
February 3, 2016: 3:54 PM ET
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/03/media/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-new-hampshire-debate/
"..."Having our candidates in agreement on their desire to add debates to our sanctioned schedule, the DNC has sanctioned an MSNBC debate on February 4 at the University of New Hampshire in Durham," Wasserman Schultz said.
"The candidates have also agreed to participate in three newly scheduled DNC sanctioned debates to be held in addition to the February 11 PBS News Hour, and March 9 Univision debates already planned. The first of these new debates is confirmed to take place in Flint, Michigan on March 6th, with the remaining two taking place in April and May with times and locations to be determined. We will continue to work closely with both campaigns as we finalize the remaining details."
Whatever the venues, the additional debates are a boon to Democrats who believed the initial primary schedule was too limited. Both the Sanders and the Martin O'Malley campaigns had criticized the DNC for holding just six debates, and for holding many of them on weekends..."
senz
(11,945 posts)But she's also hoping his supporters won't go away.
Yeah...
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Does wonders for her likeability and trustworthiness.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)What's the matter with a debate?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)derpderpderp
(43 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)The decision has already been made; Hillary will be the Democratic nominee. Another debate at this stage would be pointless.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Please carry on with that type of thinking.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Someone has to go last in the primary season, most every year, the nomination is effectively sewn up before the last handful of states get to vote. California was a Super Tuesday state in 2008; direct your caterwauling at them for moving forward to June.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)strictest laws in the nation timewise for changing party affiliation.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)As if Fox tendered the "invitation" with honorable intent. LMFAO
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)shall I say LMFAO that anyone should believe what she says?
She'll say anything and then go back on her word in a heartbeat, there is a reason she has such high unfavorable numbers and has a high level of mistrust among voters.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Quite honestly, I think we have had FAR TOO MANY so far. If people don't know by now, they will never know. Let it go. And this late into the primaries, we don't need or 2 nominees to be punching at each other. We need to show a more united front and move on to convention.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)called do not play close attention to politics.
I cannot believe the number of people that state they have not paid close attention and are still undecided, Clinton will not likely have the number of pledged delegates needed before the convention.
Let people have a vote.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Are we going to have debates everyday up to the day of the convention because some people are still uninformed? No. You can't force people to pay attention. There will always be low information voters.
Besides, unless there is something that we haven't covered, I really don't see the point in hashing out the same points over and over.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)in a few days or the next day.
Many people are too busy struggling to get on with their lives and they think politics take a back seat, right or wrong, there are many who do not pay that much attention when trying to get through the daily chores. They realize the system is rigged on a variety of fronts, the corporate media being one of those.
So those people who I have spoken with in SC, Fl. WV, Pa. Kentucky etc. etc. are just low information voters because they are not paying as much attention to politics and say they are still undecided the night before an election, yes I will say that has me perplexed, but many people have other concerns on a daily basis.
But I would not classify them as low information voters, they have unfortunately other daily concerns and many do not feel their vote counts so they are not paying as much attention. That is a shame on our system.
Last night Chris Matthews stated the corporate media intends to declare Clinton the Dem nominee three hours before the final votes are cast in Ca. even though she will not have the required number of pledged delegates before the convention. The media should not have a say, unfortunately we know they do.
There are over 150 superdelegates that have not endorsed a candidate and Clinton is under FBI investigation and today the State Dept. has stated she did not adhere to their rules.
There are many issues which can be discussed that have not been thoroughly hashed out, Hillary made a commitment which she is now trying to dodge.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)considering the results of the Dem primary are as clear as crystal right now.