2016 Postmortem
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what the hell is with the Cornel West hate?
A black scholar cant have an opinion?
since you dont know, let me tell you-
you should be ashamed.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)As you say....he's entitled to his opinions, and he has the platform from which to speak if he so desires.
Response to grasswire (Reply #1)
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)brush
(53,785 posts)when it was announced that he was a Sanders surrogate. I mean of all people, he chooses a person who has continually bashed the popular and current Democratic president.
It was not a smart move.
And the Sanders camp wonders why African Americans, one of the largest factions in the Dem electorate, don't vote for him.
Guess they weren't aware that a candidate can't win the Dem nomination without getting a large percentage of the AA vote.
Maybe that lack of awareness also lead them to not compete in the early southern primaries where Clinton built up her huge vote and delegate lead. Bet they wish they had a do-over there.
Well, guess you live and learn. Tough way to learn what bad decisions bring in a presidential campaign, God.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)nor is calling Obama "nig*erized" very progressive. West has some issues with his hurt pride, as does Tavis Smiley.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)whatever color they were. It surely isnt a few black people that are the problem is it?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Translation: they criticized Obama
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)because it is decidedly not progressive.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)But you already know that. They are reviled by Obama supporters because they are black, liberal and they saw Obama's 'compromise' for what it was. A right wing dreams come true list.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)even listen to yourself? Not a slur my ass. And everyone knows Tavis and Cornel wanted more access and were bummed not to be big advisors. Sad for them to show their asses like that over sour grapes.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)"A black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy"
No racial slur there, sorry.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He turned on Obama before Obama did anything. I love how people try to give that legitimacy here.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)So you do this instead because it fits your narrative.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)when Obama gave him neither. Typical.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And you totally ignore it because it doesn't fit your simplistic narrative.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And SBS fucked himself with black voters by standing alongside that man. Fool.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)rigged- against them. No other rigging going on, not now, not ever! Gotta love the navel gazing.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)still_one
(92,217 posts)to.
Even Dr West's insinuation is that President Obama isn't "black" enough is racial
Those who argue it isn't racial are in denial, and i am not referring to a river in Egypt
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)You sound like the people who got all twisted out of shape when David Howard used the word niggardly. You know the context, and you know what is actually being said, and you choose to completely ignore it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)those words- which are not remotely what I said at all- on me. "Angry Black man" is what came from YOUR lips.
Ugly that is what came to your mind. Revolting.
He called Obama "ni**arized" - and yeah, it is beyond the pale. There is no context where that is okay. I think West just sad it to get attention. Go sell your dumb ass "angry black man" stereotype somewhere else and STOP putting words in other peoples mouths. It's bullshit.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)"Oh wait, he endorsed Bernie? I've always loved that guy!"-Bernie supporter after his endorsement.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and what the creator of Blackish actually said was that black men affectionately calling each other ni**a was becoming acceptable.
They quote black people they have never heard of before, saying things they did not even understand. Not having it.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)You know the context and choose to ignore it. You know what he said and focus on one word, call him angry (Which, contrary to your profanity laced diatribe, came out of your mouth, it was your dogwhistle) You can't argue his actual point, which used charged language to prove a point) and you're lashing out at anyone who points out that you can't support what you're claiming when actual context is brought into it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)but you just went there with the ugly stereotype yourself and tried to put those words in MY mouth. Nope.
Sorry- many people thought West jumped the shark- and for purely personal reasons. He wanted to be an "insider" at the White House, and it did not work out for him. Maybe that's because PBO knew he would say stupid and ugly shit like that to attract press.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)You said he got angry, now you're angry that you got called on using a racist dog whistle against a well educated black man.
This whole campaign is upsidedown, tearing down people like West and propping up people like Henery Kissenger. That Obama would hold any kind of celebration to honor that monster only supports West's point, which you have to tear him down in profanity laden tirades.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)he was an angry man- those were YOUR words. Stop trying to cram your bullshit stereotypes down other people's throats.
YOU went right to the "angry black man" meme just because I described the specific reason for his vicious attack on POTUS.
He's not angry, he spews ugly rhetoric for the press and laughs all the way to the bank.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Last edited Tue May 24, 2016, 07:33 PM - Edit history (1)
It's Okay jury ... I'm just employing the proffered bullshit on display throughout this thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2037968
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Here's a link, I wish we had more Americans willing to step-up to our Government Federal and State, keep 'pressure' on officials so they do the right thing.
QUESTON-You've previously written, On 9/11, white Americans finally learned what it was like to be black in America. What do you mean by that?
ANSWER-Theres a certain kind of niggerisation that for the first time, there was a collective experience in the country of all Americans feeling unsafe, unprotected, subject to random violence, and hated for who they were. And to be black in America for 400 years is to be unprotected.
Now we could tell a more complicated story of course about American US foreign policy and the various kinds of attacks on innocent people and so on and so forth. But this is about the experience of those planes going into the World Trade Center.
rest of interview is here, with Wests 'opinion about Obama..
"Just choices that he makes human failures. Human beings make choices that end up not being justified."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/thefeed/story/marc-fennell-interviews-iconic-author-activist-and-public-intellectual-cornel-west
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)here's a link http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/obama-racism-wtf-podcast_n_7635520.html
Can you find the context of your "use of the word to describe our first black president"?
Did Mr. West call him the N word or use the concept/perception/definition that is well understood by both West and Obama? You seem more offended then President Obama. I'm sure he understood what Mr. West meant.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I'm not, and I thought it was ignorant of West to do that. But he knew it would make headlines and that will earn him lots more money. Similar to Bernie, if I can't be inside as planned, bern it down it is.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)That's that. Always good to see you here!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)with white supremacy. Is that okay with you?
It isn't with me. He called President Obama this as a slur, plain and simple.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/22/cornel_west_on_obama_the_first_black_president_has_become_the_first_niggerized_black_president.html
"Too many black people are niggerized," West said Monday on CNN. "I would say the first black president has become the first niggerized black president."
"A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy," West explained. "So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie."
brush
(53,785 posts)You should delete your post asap.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Oh ... I didn't see who wrote that turning the N-word into a verb isn't a slur bullshit.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The verb signals an action, an occurrence, or a state of being. Whether mental, physical, or mechanical, verbs always express activity.
http://www.gingersoftware.com/content/grammar-rules/verbs/
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)state of being verbs include the following: is, be, am, will, has been, was
ization, isation - used to form nouns of some verbs
The word in question is a noun.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that proofed writings I have done. If they agree with you, I will post their response, apologize to you AND hail you as the superior grammarian ... However, If they disagree with you, I will post their response, and accept (as gracefully as possible) your apology.
Deal?
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Though the usage in the post, my subsequent link and examples already show the word to be a noun.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)A deal means that your word is on the line.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But, in the English language, adding the suffix, "ized", typically turns a noun into a verb.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Which makes verbs using the suffix "-ized" into a noun.
Please don't cheat.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)What do you mean by that? asked dismayed host Poppy Harlow.
A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy,
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cornel-west-on-cnn-obama-is-americas-first-nggerized-president/
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)You are not referencing the quote that prompted the discussion.
reddread
(6,896 posts)censorship has sailed?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I myself cannot wait till b*tch and ni**er are gone again. Fucking trolls took over the juries, but not for long. LOL.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Especially on this particular subject
But you won't bother watching it, choosing instead to clutch pearls and cry false tears.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Here is a little primer for you:
Liberal and figurative language
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Isn't it NORMAL that a person who has never been explained a particular idiom would be baffled by it or try to pick it apart logically to understand its meaning or simply take it literally?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Yeah, not so easy to walk back from. West is an asshole.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... dead wrong seeing Obama had a speech on race before he was elected POTUS.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)(suffixed) N-word because the person that said it supports for president the same person they support takes the whole damned bakery.
Tell me again how the asshole "progressives" that do that shit are any different from the asshole right wingers that do the same damned thing? Can we call these assholes racist, yet?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... form
Atman
(31,464 posts)ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Racial epithet.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 24, 2016, 07:50 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Is this the right post to alert on?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think it's pretty clear the poster is referring to someone else's use of the term. Seems like a disingenuous alert.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: In a sea of shit, someone spots a turd? C'mon, I saw forty-eleven varieties of the "N word." Should be alerted in Outdoors, under trapping.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Attention alert trolls: The discussion is about something Cornell West actually said in reference to Obama. That is not an acceptable word in any other context. However, in the post alerted on, it is NOT being used used by the poster as ANY form of insult or epithet towards anyone. Read the whole thread.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Probably an outlier on this, but I'm sick of pretending that using a couple of asterisks makes us pretend we're still not using the same damned word.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't like it but that was the word that was used.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nice try, alerter. The phrase is being used in a context to point out how it was used abusively against the president.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)We don't need criticism... ah well, the tales he will have for his Fox buddies. I have no respect for West anymore...not after the things he said...and that Bernie chooses him is no surprise.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)skepticism. This is the Democratic Party and we live on criticism. If one wants no criticism, join the Republicons.
The Corporate / Conservative Wing of our Party doesn't like anyone with an opinion. They want us to sit down and shut up.
Eugene Debs said it well with, Intelligent discontent is the mainspring of civilization. Progress is born of agitation. It is agitation or stagnation.
Again if you want everyone to walk in lock step, you are in the wrong party.
reddread
(6,896 posts)possibly no real sense of direction?
maybe theyre home address is stitched into their clothing and we can get them back where they belong?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Democrats that control our party. Bought and paid for by conservative capitalists they are killing the middle and working classes because of their idolization of the Wealthy.
reddread
(6,896 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)its the superpredators you have to watch.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)w/o their minions groveling and drooling, doing their bidding.
reddread
(6,896 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Outspoken black men are only acceptable if they support Clinton, apparently.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)sometimes polite company will extend the benefit to experienced individuals
and not excoriate them for simply having an opinion more informed than they may ever possess.
I mean, since when does a campaign capitalize on race and some fantasy of justice while telling BLM that "all lives matter" and expect to get over?
something stinks like a pile of dead fish.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And that opinion is an outlier opinion.
And, Dr. West stopped being an "academic " when he traded in the research world for the (white) liberal speaking circuit.
reddread
(6,896 posts)over Cornell West?
is Larry Summers an academic?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Regarding Summers ... has he published any research lately? If the answer is "No", then, the answer is "No". If the answer is "Yes", then, the answer is "Yes" ... whether his conclusions match my, lesser credentialed opinions, or not.
reddread
(6,896 posts)and I have no notion that this applies to you, but those who hate West for his criticisms of Obama
are standing with Summers against Cornell, arent they?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Black folks' loss of respect for Dr. West (relative to his criticisms of President Obama) is unrelated to economic policy. That is easily known for people in tuned with the Black community ... and for those, unfamiliar/un-in tuned, it is easily researched.
reddread
(6,896 posts)how do the same "Black folks" feel about payday loans and mortgage fraud (much like electoral fraud and other victimless crimes, Iraq for example-shit happens, from above) within the Black community.
thank you so much.
this is valuable.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Do you want to know what "Black folks 'feel'?" Or, do you want to tell me how you think Black folks SHOULD feel?
reddread
(6,896 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But you won't see it.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)that a site named Democratic Underground was promoting all the MSM anti-Obama attacks and lies.
Seems pretty stupid to hate Cornell when so many here jumped right in on the MSM attacks.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)He called Obama the "N" word too. No surprise Bernie likes a Fox guy like Cornell.
reddread
(6,896 posts)lousy music all these kids play.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)I suppose the Bernie types will love a messed up convention...thanks to Bernie Sanders...but the majority of us don't want that. Let Bernie be Bernie and hopefully poison the well for all time. Because I want nothing to do with Bernie...like Nader...he is dead to me. Not having to see or hear about him will be a real treat. And I used to like the guy.
reddread
(6,896 posts)blame it all on me.
how much for a sponsorship?
there will be a historic cockup ahead, but it wont be because of Sanders.
I want nothing messed up, period. vote counting integrity, access to the polls.
but you need a scapegoat.
allow me.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)put me down for the messed up convention. Revolutions are messy. I bet you'd have tried to tell our founders to not be so messy with their Revolution. Here's the deal, the Rich and Corporations have hijacked our Democracy. While I know that you don't care as long as you get a pat on the head, some of us value our freedoms and liberties. It's time to fight once again against the tyranny of the Corporations. Don't blame Sanders, he is just our spokesperson. Blame us, the Left that will not bow down and be enslaved as some.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Man, that's cool!
Tarc
(10,476 posts)vs.
Worlds apart.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)needed! Same shit happens with people who defend sexism, their arguments never allow for context. Or history.
They are ridiculous.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)defending the use of ni**er because rappers do it. THAT makes sense. to RWers and "progressives".
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)beyond someone Black that agrees with you, on matters involving Black folks?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Have seen quotes from a feminist they googled, and pretended they knew of all along too. LOL.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that support is lacking ... Huh?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It does not say what Bonobo seems to think it does- because it is not being used as a term of solidarity between black men as below. West basically was calling Obama a house ni**er, everyone know that. Amazing he would even think this quote has ANY significance. WOW.
"On the N-word
I think it is one of the most divisive, densely discoursed, just polarizing words in American history. I think a lot of things around that word are what this country [was] based on, and I feel like, as a writer, I believe our words are powerful. But I do believe that ... anything that has power, it means it has growth, and in having growth it can evolve, and I think that word has evolved. ...
Obviously there's the "er" and the "ah" ... but I feel like the word is sort of a tribal badge. ... My generation ... we took the disdainful indictment that my mom's generation would use it in because of how it was said to the generations before her we took that away from it and we made it a badge of tribalism between two members of that tribe: To say ... "Look, I know that you're a part of this tribe and we have some shared heritage, whether I know you or not.""
http://www.npr.org/2016/05/18/478414550/kenya-barris-on-black-ish-and-what-kids-lose-when-they-grow-up-with-more
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I refuse to do the work because each and every time I've done it ... I have arrived at the conclusion that what they say it said, was not what it said.
I'm tired.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)What he failed to take into account is that Obama has had to walk a very delicate line, and pro-AA activism from the WH probably would have damaged Obama in particular and AAs in general.
Or that's my take.
He is also disliked by Clinton supporters for supporting Bernie.
To me, West seems real, caring, and sincere. I like those qualities very much. Perhaps he recognizes them in Bernie Sanders.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)betrayed Obama could not show up to events they had told people he was attending. Bruised feelings.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)But then a month and half later I would run into other people on the campaign and hes calling them all the time. I said, Wow, this is kind of strange. He doesnt have time, even two seconds, to say thank you or, Im glad youre pulling for me and praying for me, but hes calling these other people. I said, This is very interesting. And then, as it turns out with the inauguration, I couldnt get a ticket with my mother and my brother. I said, This is very strange. We drive into the hotel and the guy who picks up my bags from the hotel has a ticket to the inauguration. My mom says, Thats something that this dear brother can get a ticket and you cant get one, honey, all the work you did for him from Iowa. Beginning in Iowa to Ohio. We had to watch the thing in the hotel.
Number23
(24,544 posts)note that that bullshit he spewed was from 2011, YEARS before BS ever even contemplated running for president.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)President Obama HAS had to walk a very delicate line, and pro-AA activism from the WH probably would have damaged Obama in particular and AAs in general ... But Dr. West's disappointment in President Obama is that President Obama didn't do more for HIM.
As BettyE indicates in post #35, both Dr. West and Smiley, wanted desperately to be in the Presidential inner-circle ... an ambition that he/they should have known to have been dashed in 2000, with their support of Nader.
Nope ... not even close ... well, at least for Black Clinton supporters.
potone
(1,701 posts)And Smiley were offended that Obama didn't court them. They let their egos get in the way of supporting him. It is unjust to Obama to assert that since he didn't seek their public benediction that somehow he is afraid of strong black men and only comfortable with upper-class white liberal men, as West asserted (I am paraphrasing here, I don't remember the exact wording).
As a Bernie supporter, I think it is a mistake to give West such a role. His policy positions are not the problem; it is the way that he has talked about Obama and failed to support him.
I also agree that West has largely abandoned his academic work for public advocacy. I think that is regrettable. He did important academic work, and I regret that he no longer seems to be doing it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Not only unjust; but, absolute projection ... Dr. West's audience for the last 15 years has been increasingly upper-class white liberals.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I didn't know that in itself was an issue.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I've found it annoying here on DU when I've asked for it to stop. and it just continues, and DU juries simply accept it as normal.
It was one of my first experiences with DU juries.
I'm sure that others might find it annoying at times, as well.
Does it really surprise you?
onecaliberal
(32,863 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)You had no clue about the discussion that was had. You need to let this drop
stone space
(6,498 posts)Does that really surprise you?
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)like they were a fucking klan member or something. It was used in a discussion of social movement reclamation of terminology used against the group. I understand that is outside your area of study, but then don't go off "he said the n-word" crazy when you don't understand what was being said. The jury understood just fine.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)I thought that you hit the nail on the head above with "Fakeassedprogressiverized".
Some of the folks in this thread would (and have) run from the specter of anything even remotely progressive, radical, or militant in any other context.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)ancianita
(36,066 posts)ancianita
(36,066 posts)for this country.
He's had much to teach everyone, if they would only read his works.
Only the silly season perfectionists are gnashing over Cornel.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Others, not so much.
ancianita
(36,066 posts)living and working with black students and their community in Chicago's South Side taught me this.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)And he made it much smaller by his irrational attacks on Obama, in the eyes of most African Americans.
West is far more left than most AAs, too.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)to Black people, if he didn't spend so much of his time talking to upper-incomed, white people.
ancianita
(36,066 posts)up to Obama, as well.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)ancianita
(36,066 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Black Christian churches ... I have a pretty wide social/civic network and among that network, Dr. West is rarely, if ever, mentioned ... that might be because the groups, I associate with cannot afford his Honoria.
BTW ... the videos you posted ... What are the dates and are they associated with Sanders' campaign?
(Note: I might click on them later ... But I have no interest in listening right now.
ancianita
(36,066 posts)once with a busload of students in 2004.
These vids are from the East Coast, West Coast and Midwest. I don't claim that he himself is prophetic but that he espouses the spirit of the prophetic tradition's power to inspire hope and action. He's primarily an academic and social critic, and he writes well.
One thing that's apparent to me is that young people dig him and he loves them back.
I think he'll cut to the ethical chase in party platform development. I think he'll convince the committee that the party renew the power of its past in trying to seriously implement the platform.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)After hearing him speak on Blacks Supporting Blacks to Create Empowerment. I doubt I'm on his Xmas card list because I asked why he was associated with Princeton rather than Prairie View A&M University
I think he would talk at people and accomplish nothing.
ancianita
(36,066 posts)do the accomplishing. Talk that comes from well thought out vision and humane paradigms has usually accomplished much.
When one can't see the effects of talk, doesn't mean talk doesn't accomplish something.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Yeah, nothing wrong with that.
Or calling Obama a war criminal.
Or equating Obama to George Zimmerman.
This place has lost its fucking mind.
reddread
(6,896 posts)how do you feel about paying the TRULY INEVITABLE bill on that one?
you think you can opt out?
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Gotcha. That tells me all I need to know, thanks.
reddread
(6,896 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)you hurt yourself.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Last edited Tue May 24, 2016, 08:44 PM - Edit history (1)
enough bullshit lying and junior high jinks going on around here.
hypocrites holding up AA's as a shield, after doing things like
WELFARE DEFORM.
CRACK IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS.
DISPARATE SENTENCING.
SUPER PREDATORS
AND PRIVATIZED PRISONS.
I find their opinions crystal clear.
I dont think Cornel West has a problem spotting hypocrisy either.
reddread
(6,896 posts)by jiminy I hate crickets
reddread
(6,896 posts)"Too many black people are niggerized," West said Monday on CNN. "I would say the first black president has become the first niggerized black president."
"A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy," West explained. "So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie."
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... deploring the use of the word or even his content of his cricisism seeing its bullshit on its face
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)Cornel West Attacks Al Sharpton: Bonafide House Negro of the Obama Plantation
http://www.mediaite.com/online/cornel-west-attacks-al-sharpton-bonafide-house-negro-of-the-obama-plantation/
reddread
(6,896 posts)his name had low respect for some time.
Gotta love rehabilitation.
Personally, I would rather attend to the words of the nearest person of color,
than to follow any damn thing that came across the cable cast.
Autumn
(45,106 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)when they do it.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... that a group of people on DU support this guy
Orsino
(37,428 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)if Hillary gets the nod.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... people who do like Cornell West.
Sanders had him stump for his campaign in front of mostly white IA and lost IA PoC by 23%... no wonder
.99center
(1,237 posts)That Cornell was labeling Obama a N-word. Real "progressivism" isn't idolizing homophobes and someone who calls all PoC n-words.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)is Clinton supporters dispense with the truth to make their phoney points, and this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2041536
would be a perfectly good example.
Now I know Will Geer was never to be trusted, but in that movie The Reivers
he gave a very important speech to his errant grandson.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... and people aren't supposed to notice.
When they do Sanders camp changes the subject... typically
reddread
(6,896 posts)maybe once I finish cleaning the punch bowl again.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)his point was clear.
the hatred he receives somewhat murky.
but reminiscent of Sharpton's previous life.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)than drive that sort of hatred into hiding.
there is NO shortage of hardcore racism in this country.
you are OK with it as long as people dont say it,
isnt that right?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... and then not stump in front of mostly white people for the "progressive" candidate to boot.
reddread
(6,896 posts)I would like to understand what you are saying.
could you please clarify?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)form of a vanishing point?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)some sort of spectrum involved?
different parts of the planet where white people took offense at the natives?
I bet there are endless permutations.
never occurred to me.
etymology...
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)Must have lost mine.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)www.I_Am_Trying_My_Best_To_Be_A_Decent_Person.com
ancianita
(36,066 posts)Last edited Tue May 31, 2016, 10:55 AM - Edit history (1)
about what being "niggerized" is was long and loud well over two years ago. THAT context should have had some effect around here. But no.
Why do people have to keep starting this shit up around here. Every. fucking. year.
Let African Americans be the judge. Not you.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Even going by your gracious standards the using this form of nigger to describe Obama is dead ass wrong in context.
Sounds like some people just want to call Obama a nigger and mind the form
ancianita
(36,066 posts)that has grown beyond its original context and intent should make you think twice.
It amounts to the silly political correctness that goes off the rails -- all that whitesplainin' the word by white people to white people, when "nigger" itself has gained its own valid uses across academic and cultural contexts since the 70's, when blacks accepted all kinds of other connotations for its use in other non-pejorative contexts -- music, conversation, comedy, dialectology, literature, and African American studies.
If Cornel West knows how he means a word, and his black audience knows how he means that word, y'all whites had better stop the desperate search for a reason to dump on the reputation and status of a well respected black academic and social critic based on the only meaning you can grasp! Even Obama hasn't held West's statements against him.
One should rightly suspect the broader ignorance of whites who do.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Here he is writing about the Democratic Party during the Dubya era:
I think his analysis is spot on. And it's still just as valid today as it was when he wrote it more than a decade ago.
reddread
(6,896 posts)thank you.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... and that's not a reason to call the president any form of the word nigger at all.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)Clearly, they are opposed to usage.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... Ready fire and aim, reddread!
Shame on them, indeed...
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Who is denying a black scholar their opinion? And what is the specific mechanism used to deny that opinion?
reddread
(6,896 posts)you might think verbal bullying and ganging up on progressives is good sport.
Its hard to think like that for me, but it could be even worse.
He is a black man.
even been called a leading intellectual.
I think that may mean uppity to some folk.
he is no match for your Straw Man, though.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You're moving the goal post from denying a person an opinion to bullying. You consistently allege bullying and racism nad your entire premise is built on that, but you provide zero evidence supporting those allegations, simply more unsupported accusations. Hence, I have to conclude you are merely using race as a political tool to advance your own agenda.
You shame yourself by exploiting race for political points. You will of course rationalize it as something else, but your exploitation of it more than obvious to see, as others have observed throughout the thread.
Referencing fundamental and irrational flaws in your premise is not a straw man.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)this thread was still going.
Holy shit.
RandySF
(58,899 posts)But he's also an adult who understands that people may not like using the "n-word" to describe the first black president.