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Sen. Bernie Sanders was given unprecedented say over the Democratic Party platform because... (Original Post) AgingAmerican May 2016 OP
ding ding ding..."We Have A Winner" Jack Bone May 2016 #1
Relax. It's not unprecedented. runner-up candidates normally get some say on the platform committee brush May 2016 #17
lol Wish it were true! tazkcmo May 2016 #2
I thought it was because the Party was afraid of the threat of violence? scscholar May 2016 #3
Bless your heart. tazkcmo May 2016 #4
Nope, they invented that "threat" and count on followers like you to parrot it. arcane1 May 2016 #11
You guys take both sides of the argument as it suits you. JoePhilly May 2016 #5
The DNC sees the writing on the wall AgingAmerican May 2016 #6
You mean to say that you HOPE you get to say "We told you so". JoePhilly May 2016 #7
We told you so! AgingAmerican May 2016 #8
You have a hyper-inflated view of your own importance. JoePhilly May 2016 #9
So now you start attacking me personally AgingAmerican May 2016 #10
Well if you would just stop throwing chairs when you post they wouldn't have to do that! cui bono May 2016 #12
Chairs, where are those chairs flying DUCK!!!! nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #32
I attacked your inablity to determine what the priorities are. JoePhilly May 2016 #13
We have seen the writing on the wall for a solid year AgingAmerican May 2016 #14
Keep your figures crossed!!!! JoePhilly May 2016 #15
I suspect... Chan790 May 2016 #29
We want a dem, know one that is the democratic front runner? timmymoff May 2016 #22
So much bullshit in that post. JoePhilly May 2016 #24
it's bullshit when you don't like it timmymoff May 2016 #25
My goodness, only those two nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #33
You left? I had not noticed. JoePhilly May 2016 #34
Trust me, the democratic party did notice nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #35
You gave that much money? Na. JoePhilly May 2016 #36
YOu really have no idea how parties get money nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #37
Very preachy ... which I've come to expect from you ... JoePhilly May 2016 #38
Well I am not going to do the homework for you nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #39
"and you are ultimate insider" JoePhilly May 2016 #40
Good nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #41
At least you have accepted that he has lost the nomination and Corporate666 May 2016 #16
Hillary has been surpassed by Trump in national polling AgingAmerican May 2016 #19
And giving Sanders a voice in the Platform that nobody reads would have what impact? brooklynite May 2016 #18
You really don't know how these things work, do you? AgingAmerican May 2016 #21
The DNC wants Bernie to urge his supporters to back Hillary in the GE Samantha May 2016 #20
"Those planks" are what Democrats want AgingAmerican May 2016 #23
They hope to get at his phone lists... JackRiddler May 2016 #26
In the past, I had no idea what was in the Eric J in MN May 2016 #28
Uh no. But because rjsquirrel May 2016 #27
The plank outlines what the party stands for AgingAmerican May 2016 #42
It's symbolic though rjsquirrel May 2016 #44
If you believe in nothing AgingAmerican May 2016 #45
"Belief" is one thing, practical accomplishment another rjsquirrel May 2016 #46
If you have no belief system AgingAmerican May 2016 #47
They are trying to placate Bernie creeksneakers2 May 2016 #30
I saw Cornell West on the Roster, If the campaign were to ask my opinion I'd say 2banon May 2016 #31
The worm has started to turn. . . only a matter of time. pdsimdars May 2016 #43

brush

(53,787 posts)
17. Relax. It's not unprecedented. runner-up candidates normally get some say on the platform committee
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

So now that that's done, let's hope the constant attacks on the party by Sanders stops.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
2. lol Wish it were true!
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:11 PM
May 2016

I don't think so though. My guess is they suddenly realized that about 55% of the Democratic Party (Roughly the percentage of the party that supports Sec Clinton) which is only about 30% of the registered voters (GOP is slightly less but not by much) ain't very many votes and they also saw that Independents (About 40% of registered voters) really, really, REALLY (The dreaded Triple Really!) don't like Sec Clinton (Or Bill really) nor trust her but they do like Sen Sanders and trust him.

That's it in a nutshell. I bolded the word "suddenly" because it is a sudden revelation on their part. The Hyperbolic Nevada Storm Of 2016 is what made them aware enough to check the math. Funny. In spite of a year of Sen Sanders throwing around the word Revolution a million times a day and with him attracting large crowds and large sums of cash in small donations, they just now realized this ain't no game.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
3. I thought it was because the Party was afraid of the threat of violence?
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

Bernie keeps using the word messy.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
11. Nope, they invented that "threat" and count on followers like you to parrot it.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:26 PM
May 2016

"Break those Barriers!"

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
5. You guys take both sides of the argument as it suits you.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:14 PM
May 2016

One minute, the DNC is all powerful and stealing the election ... the next its weak and afraid.

One minute you demand that Hillary and the DNC reach out to you ... and when they reach out to you ... you shit on them.

No wonder SDs aren't flipping to Bernie.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
7. You mean to say that you HOPE you get to say "We told you so".
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

Unfortunately for you ... we'll be making sure you don't get to do so come November.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
8. We told you so!
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

Deal with it, it's just the beginning. Bernie will be courted by the DNC that spent the last year trying to screw him, to come to Hillary's rescue.

And her supporters will be apoplectic!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. You have a hyper-inflated view of your own importance.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:23 PM
May 2016

You also seem to struggle with what the priorities are.

You worry about "who to blame".

We worry about how to ensure a Dem occupies the White House for the next 4-8 years.

This is why the "movement" fails.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
10. So now you start attacking me personally
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

The standard fallback position for Hillary supporters.

Bernie to the rescue!!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
13. I attacked your inablity to determine what the priorities are.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

You think they are figuring out who to blame.

I think they are ensuring a Dem controls the White House.

And if you think I attacked you personally, ALERT on me.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
14. We have seen the writing on the wall for a solid year
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

Her numbers have continually dropped over that time. It ain't rocket science to see the pattern.

Bernie to the rescue!! This is only the beginning. As she drops further and further behind, Bernie's influence will grow like a snowball rolling from top to bottom of mount Everest!

Bernie to the rescue!!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
15. Keep your figures crossed!!!!
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:50 PM
May 2016

The funny thing is that the "movement" didn't even want Bernie.

The "movement" wanted Warren and she said "No."

So Bernie stepped in. And now he's the only one who can save us.

But hey, whatever helps you get through this.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
29. I suspect...
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

if their overtures don't staunch the bleeding, that a certain candidate is going to be informed that she's withdrawing to "deal with health concerns."

I mean, her supporters will throw a fit but what are they going to say? If she has "health concerns" how can they demand she "risk her health" by staying in?

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
22. We want a dem, know one that is the democratic front runner?
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

Because I have never been told regime change is a democratic platform policy, nor is fracking, nor is using citizen's united. But hey she has a D behind her name just like ol Zell miller did, and John Breaux, Max Baucus did as well, Byron Dorgan. the types of dems that make people want to leave the party, and they have, due to that very issue.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
24. So much bullshit in that post.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:57 PM
May 2016

Feel free to leave the party. I won't miss you.

In November, the choices will be Hillary, and Trump.

You get to pick.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
25. it's bullshit when you don't like it
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:59 PM
May 2016

I have more choices than that. Thanks for playing who wants to ignore the issues.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. My goodness, only those two
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:45 PM
May 2016

Oh and I already did, in 2011... You are not one of the reasons, but policies were.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
35. Trust me, the democratic party did notice
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:51 PM
May 2016

in money they receive. So I did leave the democratic party, and it was policy. Live with it, or not, I really could care less.

You told the other poster, go ahead and leave the party, we won't care. Well I cannot wait for the D side to have issues paying the electric bill, like the Rs are from time to time having.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
36. You gave that much money? Na.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

And the correct statement from you should be " I really could NOT care less."

And the person I told to leave ... I doubt they were really every part of the party.





 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
37. YOu really have no idea how parties get money
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:55 PM
May 2016

from either the RNC or the DNC... you really don't. Suffice to say, we decline to state voters have a lot more power than we used to.



 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
39. Well I am not going to do the homework for you
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:00 AM
May 2016

and you are ultimate insider, so you tell us. so you should know what happens when people leave parties en masse

Corporate666

(587 posts)
16. At least you have accepted that he has lost the nomination and
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:52 PM
May 2016

that Hillary is our nominee, and that Bernie is taking his marching orders like a good down-card party member.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
20. The DNC wants Bernie to urge his supporters to back Hillary in the GE
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

and while they gave him major concessions on the party platform, they do not really have to abide by the planks in that platform - so what difference does it make...they just want the voters.

Sam

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
23. "Those planks" are what Democrats want
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

If they ignore them and continue with their right wing agenda, we lose the general.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
26. They hope to get at his phone lists...
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:16 PM
May 2016

Also, the platform, being worth nothing, is an easy concession.

In fact, the ritual of concession is more important than anything that will be gotten in the way of platform planks.

Platforms are even less meaningful than spoken campaign promises. Once elected a president is going to do what they do, promises be damned, and let The Daily Show run footage of the flip-flops.

But the platform? How many people will know what's in it? How many will care? How many presidents can even quote their own party's? Let's get real.

Sanders at least has been consistent in his messages -- which is why I laugh when people say, hey it's always the same stump speech. Why not? And he's honest in rationally admitting he can't get anything without a fight, without a big movement in the streets and workplaces. These are good signs as far I am concerned.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
28. In the past, I had no idea what was in the
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:20 PM
May 2016

...Democratic Party platform.

But if Sanders gets something big into it such as free tuition at state universities, I'm sure I'll hear about it.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
27. Uh no. But because
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

party platforms are virtually meaningless documents that are neither binding on candidates nor significant for most voters.

It's a consolation prize.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
30. They are trying to placate Bernie
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:26 PM
May 2016

Its probably a mistake. He'll use any opportunity he gets to create an uproar.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
31. I saw Cornell West on the Roster, If the campaign were to ask my opinion I'd say
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

Please bring on Van Jones instead or at least in addition to.

Given Bernie's only getting a third representation, I'd like to see some fresh voices especially Van Jones because he deserves to be there more importantly, we deserve to hear and have his ideas voiced and adapted. my 2 cents fwiw.

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