2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Now Losing To Donald Trump
Remember when Clinton won all those early primaries and the biggest, or one of the biggest, reasons people supported her was her "electability" (always a reality-less talking point that never had any basis in reality)?
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)It's her turn.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)We are five months out. Polls will change after the conventions. Inhale! These polls mean nothing today.
kaleckim
(651 posts)Now, polls don't matter? Do you take this position on polls in general? At what point do they start to matter? Did all you Clinton supporters say this about polls when she was beating Trump by double digits? What will the public learn about Clinton that is likely to radically change the situation? Be honest, given all the stuff swirling around her, new information is just as likely to hurt her than help her. Also, can you provide evidence that polls this far out, especially in the internet era, are radically different than the end results, especially given that almost everyone already knows both Clinton and Trump (so not the same as Obama in 2008 in any way)? The Clinton talking point is not logically convincing, and Cenk touched on it in the video too.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Each day there are polls all over the place. Yesterday two points this way, tomorrow two points that way. Nothing I can trust to be consistent. For me to see polls that matter, the polls have to develop a consistency and a reliability. Polls that jump around mean nothing to me. I had no idea that what I said was a clinton talking point. Boo on me. Sincerely I say the polls will be different after the conventions. There will be two candidates. The polling information will be more steady. And my heart goes out to Florida and Ohio where millions of dollars in ads will flood the people in those states. I am overwhelmingly grateful I am off MSM. If I were a genuinely undecided in Ohio, I would take off for a long backpack trip -- maybe a good time to hike the Pacific Crest Trail.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)they only go up when she's out of the public eye
this is Clinton's high-water mark. She is not and has never been the Comeback Kid. Bill could pull that off, she can't.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Seems I am seen as a clinton supporter and that is a flip from what I am. BUT what I was trying to say is that the polls are not steady. Every day there are polls with a different person ahead or behind. And I sincerely believe that the polls will steady out after the conventions. Then we will have the representatives of the two major parties. So when I see headlines daily about this or that person being ahead or not being able to win, my eyes roll. And yes, your point about her numbers go down when people are looking is a good point.