I gave up when he fell behind. I think this is one of the times where the superdelegates need to do what they were designed to do, which is to prevent a weak candidate from winning

well, well, well..... why even bother with any election? Coronation, here we come!!!!!!

Bernie's chipping away at her lead.
LOL

One of those links is to an article crafted by Rob Kall in Op-Ed News. Another is a video by Rob Kall in HuffPost about his article in Op-Ed News.

Both pieces claim that Bernie would have more votes if some caucus states could count individual votes. Bob Kall cleverly doesn't mention how many more votes Sanders would have received, so I'll ask you. Exactly what would the tally be if Sanders could pick & choose which caucus states he wants to count votes in?

Since all you cite in your accusation that people are liars is a matter of opinion, I'll give mine: If all states had a primary election, the count would still be Hillary by millions. The heavily populated caucus states that Clinton won would easily offset Bernie's win in Washington.

You're faulting him for pointing out that the 3 million vote claim relies on eliminating the caucus states and therefore is misleading?

ok.

And you can stop pretending it's a news article, it's one man's opinion who cherry picked a couple delegate states where he thinks Sanders would have excelled to make his unsubstantiated case.

The fact is Kall doesn't know how many votes Sanders would have picked up in those states, but you seem to have researched it, so tell me... how many votes would Bernie have if they were all primary states? Be specific.

I do not have a need to address specifics that other posters make up and then impute to me because they have nothing else to say. If you make up, you can deal with it yourself.

As far as the votes in the caucus states, your reply 56 shows that you're the one who seems to enjoy making up stuff, not I.

...that if it has to be explained to you, you wouldn't understand. Simple as that.

But I'm smart enough to know he isn't going to be president in this lifetime. He'll be lucky if he isn't forced into retirement with all the bridges he's berned behind him.

and that's Senator Sanders.

There are states remaining to contribute to the effort.

Which is Hillary. Period.

independents and repugs vote in the general election, and the sentiment of the electorate this year is for change. If dems don't select a change candidate, we all lose.

There are enough of us on the left to brutalize trump. Look at the electoral college map... They start out way behind. Hillary might just give us an edge in states we barely lost last time due to a black man running.

Only two will be running in the general, and Trump is way behind with women, who vote in higer percentages than men. Not only that, the swing states usually have minorities voting in droves these days. They will come out for Hillary in a similar way that they showed for Obama. Trump has no chance with minorities, especially blacks, who seem to end up in those long lines for hours on end. I want the candidate that my brothers and sisters will give their all and sacrifice their time for being the one going against Trump. I believe this election will be decided by women and minorities, as we are fighting a racist misogynist on the right.

I don't have data from previous cycles on hand to compare.

Looking at an average of multiple polls, Democrats are at 36% and climbing. Independents are down to about 31%. Democrats have been the largest voting bloc in the country since late December/early January.

Independents are registering as Democrats and Republicans to vote in closed and semi-closed primaries. So, their numbers are dropping; the others are rising. Math.

Registration trend, based on 1200+ polls: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/party-identification

Besides... Who's votes should we nullify to give bernie the nom? Southern 'confederates'? The 'deep south'? Older Women? Hispanics out west? Hillary won all of these oppressed groups by nice margins. Are our votes now only worth 3/5 of your vote? Why?

That's not enough votes. National polls are showing this. Independent polls are even more skewed against Sec Clinton. 55% of 30% of registered voters is not enough.

so we should make him the nominee! It doesn't matter that he didn't get a single primary vote; the only thing that matters is the polling

You could get used to hearing that name if the nomination were somehow handed to him.

So far Clinton has kept the kid gloves off him so as not to alienate his base and the GOP needs him to drain Hillary's bank account, but if he were to face Trump he'd be subjected to the biggest slime machine since Ghostbusters II.

And don't even pretend that Americans are too smart to think Bernie's a Communist who believes children should be encouraged to touch each others genitals. Too many already think Hillary has literally committed murder.

'many already think Hillary has literally committed murder.'

FAT chance for her against tramp.

I know Hillary never killed anyone and I know Bernie's not a Commie, but at least there's evidence that Vince Foster committed suicide. Sanders has come right out and said on video that he's a Socialist, and we both know how average working class people hear that.

Clinton has more PDs sure but not enough. Now the party leaders and insiders need to put a viable candidate over the mark. The best choice they have is Sanders.

She will get those and it's over. Time to move on to the general. Otherwise we would need to nullify the votes of millions of democrats who voted for Hillary. And since she has the most women and minorities it would be such a shame to nullify the votes of millions of blacks and women to give him the nom over the woman who won millions more votes and hundreds more delegates. Why, that would mean our votes were only worth 3/5 of your vote. Tell me why that is right for my vote to only be worth 3/5 of yours. Seems kinda old school 1800's type of thinking.

Without her 400ish supers she is nowhere near thr nomination. They left her in 2008, they can do it again

Obama beat HER with superdelegates. No time ever have we had a rule that one must win without superdelegates. That said she is still in first place because of the efforts of millions of democrats, many of them women and blacks. Why should our votes be ignored in favor of yours?

rules will be written to nullify and change representation, not that it will, but dont be so certain Hill will be their choice, until that happens. She is so weak against Trump, the committees will come armed with several scenarios to protect the party- not any nominee.

That is the fact of life, and corporations rule both parties, so I wait with baited breath the result of this election, as I have already decided not to vote for either Pres candidate

who says he wants to take them down? They won't. It's over.

I will not be clearing my list out ever so might as well move on with life.

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... but it's the thought that counts - no, actually, it's the votes that count.

I did vote for him.

to contribute to the effort.

... that Hillary is the nominee.

until she goes down in flames in the GE.

I think everyone should vote with their heart and not feel guilty about it. I voted for Bernie in the primaries and will write in his name on the ballot in Nov. I'm fortunate enough to live in a state where Trump has no chance of winning (WA) so I'll be voting my conscience in the general election.

I respect you for it.

I still find the sanders supporters to be more obnoxious. No offense to you personally.

But hey, we are allies now. We dont have to love each other, we just have to fight for the same cause

And no, it's not because of Bernie juries...I've looked at those posts and they were deserved...almost every one.

He has been handled with kid gloves. Go Hillary! Woo hoo!

is a lot more than some folks here will do

She knows it herself

". . more time with the family . . ." " . . . health issue . . . '
Whatever.

She has been targeting the Presidency for at least 25 years. I don't think she will withdraw even if she's indicted.

She would have to totally drop out and that's not going to happen, nor should it. Jon King said today Romney and Obama had the exact same numbers at this point in the race in 2012.
Lets not lose our minds.
A lot of things can happen to Trump before the election.

It doesn't matter what us pee-ons here in internet world have to say (OP excluded), because Planet Earth will be seeing President Sanders come January, book it.

... he would also provide the greatest reward.

Yet some still want Hillary. Weird.

The vast majority on this site used to be uniformly opposed to the third way Republican lite 'lets keep inching away from the left cause we get more $$$' bullshit that Clinton I introduced.

But then some people apparently still think trickle down works, so...

And honestly, I don't think Bernie supporters are abrasive and obnoxious. I find them to be very intelligent and interested in facts.

What you call "abrasive and obnoxious" I see as standing up for facts and truth and not bending to deception and false statements.

And frankly, I am getting a bit short tempered at all the lies and false attacks. It is annoying to have all the lies and false accusations. . . . chair throwing, my ass. Not one chair. But that is the kind of FALSE statements we get all the time. Bernie and his supporters do not do that. They do put out the facts, which I am sure Hillary doesn't like, but they are facts.

...and probably can't be the nominee.

I almost certainly wouldn't wish on our party the consequences of events that would send him on to the general.

All we can do now is give him as many delegates as possible for the convention, to make it more our own.

Clinton IS the oligarchy (i.e. status quo). So is Romney, Cruz, Bush, ad infinitum.

It is amazing to me that people actually want more of the corruption, war-mongering, elitism, Wall Street bailout-ism that Clinton (1), Bush and Obama WILLINGLY perpetuated.

Obama the "peace president", the "most transparent administration ever". Only people with absolutely no brains whatsoever still believe this horse crap.

Sanders and Trump are simply capitalizing on the latest "anti-establishment" theme. Question is: Will the demo/repub oligarchy allow the "common vote" to be heard?

If they are only meant to give the nomination to the person with more delegates then why do they even exist? Why not just have the rule where the person with the most delegate is automatically the nomiee, even if they dont have over 50%.

The superdelegates are meant to stop a bad nominee and i fear that clinton has become a bad (weak) candidate.

I think they need to be used for their stated, intended purpose: To dump loser candidates.

In future seasons i have no issue with dumping them.

And they are dumoing the losing candidate.

we need real change thats not a republican bigot!