2016 Postmortem

tecelote

(5,122 posts) Tue May 24, 2016, 07:14 AM May 2016

Why is bringing Democracy to other countries more important than...

Restoring Democracy in America?

There are a lot of important issues in this election but our nation's war budget should get more attention. We're destroying the world for profit.

Reduce the military budget as well as tax the 1% fairly. America needs to be about Americans. And, we need help. Life is not getting better and the crux of the matter is, it should be.

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Why is bringing Democracy to other countries more important than... (Original Post) tecelote May 2016 OP

I'm old enough to remember when Dimson brought democracy to Iraq. merrily May 2016 #1

The US used to be a democracy Equinox Moon May 2016 #2

The only anti-Democracy people are the Bernie ones who want him installed even though YouDig May 2016 #3

Voter suppression in all its forms is anti-democracy. hobbit709 May 2016 #5

Bernie does best in caucuses which are the most suppressive format. YouDig May 2016 #7

We haven't had a good record of spreading democracy in other countries Mnpaul May 2016 #4

Spreading "Democracy" to all these countries has only resulted in increased dislike for the U.S. hobbit709 May 2016 #6

Because it was never about bringing Democracy to those other countries. Skwmom May 2016 #8

Yep Martin Eden May 2016 #9

Right. That's just the excuse. nt raccoon May 2016 #11

Because LWolf May 2016 #10

Yes. Capitalism seeks expansion; it is the obvious path to bigger piles of money HereSince1628 May 2016 #12

Because the "Four Freedoms" apply everywhere. It's not 'more important' anywhere. pampango May 2016 #13

merrily

(45,251 posts)

1. I'm old enough to remember when Dimson brought democracy to Iraq.

Reply to tecelote (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:25 AM

May 2016

I've been wondering who is going to bring it to the U.S.

Meanwhile, how is democracy in Iraq been working out?

I love the smell of wars of choice in the morning.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)

2. The US used to be a democracy

Reply to tecelote (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:29 AM

May 2016

it no longer is.

Corporations run America. I weep in my morning tea.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)

3. The only anti-Democracy people are the Bernie ones who want him installed even though

Reply to tecelote (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:41 AM

May 2016

he got less votes. It's simple.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)

5. Voter suppression in all its forms is anti-democracy.

Reply to YouDig (Reply #3)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:53 AM

May 2016

That fact has nothing to do with any candidate no matter how much you try.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)

7. Bernie does best in caucuses which are the most suppressive format.

Reply to hobbit709 (Reply #5)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:55 AM

May 2016

Without caucuses, he'd be losing by more than he already is.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)

4. We haven't had a good record of spreading democracy in other countries

Reply to tecelote (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:50 AM

May 2016

all that regime change and nothing to show for it

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)

6. Spreading "Democracy" to all these countries has only resulted in increased dislike for the U.S.

Reply to Mnpaul (Reply #4)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:54 AM

May 2016

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

8. Because it was never about bringing Democracy to those other countries.

Reply to tecelote (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:58 AM

May 2016

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)

9. Yep

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:59 AM

May 2016

"Democracy" is a cover story for imperialism and endless war for profit.

raccoon

(31,111 posts)

11. Right. That's just the excuse. nt

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:30 AM

May 2016

LWolf

(46,179 posts)

10. Because

Reply to tecelote (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:04 AM

May 2016

"bringing democracy to other countries" is code for empire capitalism.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)

12. Yes. Capitalism seeks expansion; it is the obvious path to bigger piles of money

Reply to LWolf (Reply #10)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:52 AM

May 2016

protection of market share is expansion's anxious partner.

The small scale version of the national capitalist model isn't as well represented by the mom and pop store as it is by racketeering mobsters carving out and enforcing their boundaries for their piece of the action and calling it protection/insurance.

Every politician serving the empire pretends there is something more noble involved than pursuing an insatiable appetite.

There really isn't.

pampango

(24,692 posts)

13. Because the "Four Freedoms" apply everywhere. It's not 'more important' anywhere.

Reply to tecelote (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 09:50 AM

May 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Freedoms

Harry Hopkins (FDR adviser and an architect of the New Deal) interrupted FDR while he was dictating the speech and told FDR that he should not say "everywhere in the world because Americans are not going to give a damn about people in Java".

FDR replied, "Well Harry. They are going to have to give a damn about people in Java from now on."

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