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"Good! Hillary shouldn't go on Fox! They suck!" (Original Post) pinebox May 2016 OP
You used a word I assume they don't understand, so I wanted to define it here. Matt_in_STL May 2016 #1
Here is an OP from earlier this month worth seeing again edgineered May 2016 #2
I love the excuse-making for a dictator who funded terrorist organizations Tarc May 2016 #4
Maybe you should make your point in that OP, edgineered May 2016 #7
I think Mr. Pine had a sad once and ignored me, so, you'll have to do :) Tarc May 2016 #10
Well, there's not much I can say about that. edgineered May 2016 #16
You assume too much young Skywalker pinebox May 2016 #45
I love the excuses for another sovereign nation ticked off the PNAC hit list. polly7 May 2016 #15
Life under a dictator is not some sort of prize you make it out to be Tarc May 2016 #23
Lmfao. You should do some reading, or at least put in a sarcasm tag there. polly7 May 2016 #24
I'm sorry you're so blinded by Hillary-Hate that you sing the praises of a terrorist-funder Tarc May 2016 #26
You're just ................................. sad. nt. polly7 May 2016 #27
Well, fact is that for Libyans, it was a damn sight better than what's going on there now Scootaloo May 2016 #42
Not even slightly, chief Tarc May 2016 #47
So Libya under Gaddafi is Bernie's vision for America, huh? No thanks. YouDig May 2016 #5
Wow, border on creative speculation much? nt edgineered May 2016 #8
So, Iraq under Hussein is Bernie's vision for America, huh? polly7 May 2016 #13
Apparently it's a site where people sing the praises of Gaddafi. Wonder what the Berners YouDig May 2016 #14
Nah ...... it 'used' to be a place where lying, ugly invasion for greed and empire wasn't something polly7 May 2016 #17
Democrats want to coddle Saddam was a phrase the conservatives loved to use. frylock May 2016 #49
Purposefully destroyed, as well as the lives of millions of people because of it. polly7 May 2016 #12
Yup, most people don't like their belief system challenged. nt edgineered May 2016 #18
I don't even know if they think about it that much ........ 'those people' suffering d/t polly7 May 2016 #19
There was still a campaign going on back then. YouDig May 2016 #3
Rupert Murdoch helps lie America into war time and again. Octafish May 2016 #21
Much as I wanted to hear the Burlington bloviator on the debate stage BeyondGeography May 2016 #6
I suppose you could tell us that Fox News is fair and balanced Vogon_Glory May 2016 #9
President Obama did an interview on FOX last month. IdaBriggs May 2016 #11
I think it's funny to watch them try to spin her going back on her word as 'Fox hate' polly7 May 2016 #20
It is. I would respect them more if they could admit she screwed up IdaBriggs May 2016 #22
pinebox--it is a different time now. Hillary no longer needs a debate--she and the Democrats need riversedge May 2016 #25
So the people of California don't even deserve to hear from her before their choice for Democratic polly7 May 2016 #28
She is campaigning in CA. They will hear lots. Tune in-you will hear lots also. The local media riversedge May 2016 #31
Anyone can repeat the same old stump speech. I MEAN - the differences on polly7 May 2016 #33
They've had an entire campaign to listen to. CrowCityDem May 2016 #32
Again, anyone can trot around the country repeating the same old stump speech polly7 May 2016 #34
They've both been talking, on the stump and in debates, for SIX MONTHS. Hasn't CA been listening? CrowCityDem May 2016 #35
Uuuugh ....... the point is that these millions deserve the chance to hear them discuss polly7 May 2016 #36
There have been many debates already. They have talked "with each other"... CrowCityDem May 2016 #38
Not in fucking California they didn't! And those people deserve the chance to have polly7 May 2016 #39
40 of the 50 states didn't get their own debate either. Why CA? Why not NJ? CrowCityDem May 2016 #40
Here ya go ........... argue with her on it. polly7 May 2016 #41
Ignoring my point again. CrowCityDem May 2016 #43
No. Not at all, I answered to your 'point' repeatedly. But you seem to be ignoring hers. polly7 May 2016 #44
Debates are free media and frontpage exposure... Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #30
Hillllary supporters flip-flop worse than Hillary herself Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #29
Right? I call it "pancake day" pinebox May 2016 #46
Was that a debate? George II May 2016 #37
She's a fighter. Sure, she can't stand up to Megyn Kelly.. frylock May 2016 #48
 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
1. You used a word I assume they don't understand, so I wanted to define it here.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:10 AM
May 2016

in·teg·ri·ty
inˈteɡrədē/
noun
1.
the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
"he is known to be a man of integrity"
synonyms: honesty, probity, rectitude, honor, good character, principle(s), ethics, morals, righteousness, morality, virtue, decency, fairness, scrupulousness, sincerity, truthfulness, trustworthiness
"I never doubted his integrity"

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
4. I love the excuse-making for a dictator who funded terrorist organizations
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:32 AM
May 2016

"Who cares about Lockerbie, at last the Libyans had nice roads and electricty!"

I'm torn between a and a here at the incredible naivete of Sanders fans regarding foreign policy.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
7. Maybe you should make your point in that OP,
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016

Let me go give it a kick so its easier for you to find.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
16. Well, there's not much I can say about that.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:49 AM
May 2016

I prefer the use of self restraint over ILs, after all this is a discussion board.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
15. I love the excuses for another sovereign nation ticked off the PNAC hit list.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

Nothing funny about the devastation though, really.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
23. Life under a dictator is not some sort of prize you make it out to be
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

North Korea has straight roads too, though not so much electricity. I'm pretty sure they'd prefer chaos to their current way of life, at least in chaos there's a chance for things to eventually get better.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
24. Lmfao. You should do some reading, or at least put in a sarcasm tag there.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:22 AM
May 2016

Someday, if you dare ........... add up all the human lives lost and countries destroyed by your foreign policy, then come back to me with your lies about any other.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
26. I'm sorry you're so blinded by Hillary-Hate that you sing the praises of a terrorist-funder
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

Spare a moment to reflect on what Khadaffi's oil money was spent on;







YouDig

(2,280 posts)
14. Apparently it's a site where people sing the praises of Gaddafi. Wonder what the Berners
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:48 AM
May 2016

will come up with next.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
17. Nah ...... it 'used' to be a place where lying, ugly invasion for greed and empire wasn't something
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:49 AM
May 2016

to be proud of.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
12. Purposefully destroyed, as well as the lives of millions of people because of it.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

So absolutely disgusting.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
19. I don't even know if they think about it that much ........ 'those people' suffering d/t
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:53 AM
May 2016

all of it are just of no concern whatsoever. Sort of a 'why bother my beautiful mind' sort of thing. The alternative is too sad and ugly to consider. That they're actually 'for' these nightmarish, life-destroying campaigns brought about by lies and cultivating and using the worst of the worst to bring them about.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
21. Rupert Murdoch helps lie America into war time and again.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016


Secrecy, Surveillance and Censorship

War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

by JOHN PILGER
CounterPunch, Dec. 5-7, 2014

Why has so much journalism succumbed to propaganda? Why are censorship and distortion standard practice? Why is the BBC so often a mouthpiece of rapacious power? Why do the New York Times and the Washington Post deceive their readers?

Why are young journalists not taught to understand media agendas and to challenge the high claims and low purpose of fake objectivity? And why are they not taught that the essence of so much of what’s called the mainstream media is not information, but power?

These are urgent questions. The world is facing the prospect of major war, perhaps nuclear war – with the United States clearly determined to isolate and provoke Russia and eventually China. This truth is being turned upside down and inside out by journalists, including those who promoted the lies that led to the bloodbath in Iraq in 2003.

The times we live in are so dangerous and so distorted in public perception that propaganda is no longer, as Edward Bernays called it, an “invisible government”. It is the government. It rules directly without fear of contradiction and its principal aim is the conquest of us: our sense of the world, our ability to separate truth from lies.

SNIP...

The most effective propaganda is found not in the Sun or on Fox News – but beneath a liberal halo. When the New York Times published claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, its fake evidence was believed, because it wasn’t Fox News; it was the New York Times.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/05/war-by-media-and-the-triumph-of-propaganda/

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
6. Much as I wanted to hear the Burlington bloviator on the debate stage
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:33 AM
May 2016

one last time, she made the obviously correct choice.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
9. I suppose you could tell us that Fox News is fair and balanced
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:41 AM
May 2016

I suppose you could tell us that Fox News really is fair and balanced, scrupulously adheres to rigorous standards, and would be scrupulously impartial and fair in its treatment of all three leading presidential candidates (Especially based on their previous track record), and that a lot of the younger, more callow, and credulous Bernie fan-boys and fan-girls will believe you, but I won't.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
11. President Obama did an interview on FOX last month.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

He assured everyone that Hillary did not INTENTIONALLY endanger national security.

And as is shown in the original post, Hillary has appeared on the Evil Network prior, and it is well documented the Clintons collects money from them and their owners.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
20. I think it's funny to watch them try to spin her going back on her word as 'Fox hate'
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:00 AM
May 2016

when she's (obviously) had no problems with it before.

Anytime, anywhere!



Full video:



"In a Wednesday afternoon statement, Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said the Vermont senator has accepted an invitation from Fox News to debate "with the understanding that we can reach mutual agreement on the debate moderators, the format and other details.”

Weaver said both campaigns in January agreed to hold a debate in May in California, adding that the Clinton campaign has “balked at keeping that pledge.”

“More than half way through the month of May, we hope Secretary Clinton will soon make good on her campaign’s commitment and agree to a time and pace for a debate,” Weaver said in the statement.

“There are issues of enormous importance facing the people of California and our nation and the people of our largest state deserve to hear the Democratic candidates [sic] opinions."

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/280405-sanders-pushes-clinton-for-debate-in-california

(bbm)
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
22. It is. I would respect them more if they could admit she screwed up
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:10 AM
May 2016

because she didn't expect Bernie would still be fighting her. He SAID he was in it until the convention, but she's apparently so used to lying for convenience, she was completely flummoxed by an honest man. Now she looks like a liar (again).

She has bad advisors.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
25. pinebox--it is a different time now. Hillary no longer needs a debate--she and the Democrats need
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

to focus on the real threat to the US--the Donald. The fact that it is Fox is irrelevant.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
28. So the people of California don't even deserve to hear from her before their choice for Democratic
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:29 AM
May 2016

candidate?

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
31. She is campaigning in CA. They will hear lots. Tune in-you will hear lots also. The local media
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

has always been important anyway--and I will say they tend to provide more policy details for people to read about (vs the cables who tend to cover the gossip).

polly7

(20,582 posts)
33. Anyone can repeat the same old stump speech. I MEAN - the differences on
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

each candidate's take on the ISSUES that affect all those millions who HAVEN'T VOTED YET.

Good grief.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
32. They've had an entire campaign to listen to.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:43 AM
May 2016

People in the Jun 7th states have gotten more chances to hear from the candidates than anyone. Bernie's line of thinking is what's insulting; insinuating that they haven't paid any attention to the campaign, because they didn't happen to be in LA when they were talking.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
34. Again, anyone can trot around the country repeating the same old stump speech
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:45 AM
May 2016

I MEAN - the differences on each candidate's take on the ISSUES that affect all those millions who HAVEN'T VOTED YET.

Seems simple enough.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
35. They've both been talking, on the stump and in debates, for SIX MONTHS. Hasn't CA been listening?
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:06 AM
May 2016

polly7

(20,582 posts)
36. Uuuugh ....... the point is that these millions deserve the chance to hear them discuss
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

with each other their differences. She said she would. Now, she's breaking her word to them. I don't think that basically being told you don't count will go over well.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
38. There have been many debates already. They have talked "with each other"...
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

even though that's not exactly what a debate is.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
39. Not in fucking California they didn't! And those people deserve the chance to have
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:22 AM
May 2016

their own specific issues discussed.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
41. Here ya go ........... argue with her on it.
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016


Full video:



"In a Wednesday afternoon statement, Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said the Vermont senator has accepted an invitation from Fox News to debate "with the understanding that we can reach mutual agreement on the debate moderators, the format and other details.”

Weaver said both campaigns in January agreed to hold a debate in May in California, adding that the Clinton campaign has “balked at keeping that pledge.”

“More than half way through the month of May, we hope Secretary Clinton will soon make good on her campaign’s commitment and agree to a time and pace for a debate,” Weaver said in the statement.

“There are issues of enormous importance facing the people of California and our nation and the people of our largest state deserve to hear the Democratic candidates [sic] opinions."

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/280405-sanders-pushes-clinton-for-debate-in-california

(bbm)

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
30. Debates are free media and frontpage exposure...
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016

why wouldn't Hillary want the spotlight?

A smart debater could use the opportunity
to get the message out to more viewers.

So why is Hillary hiding?
Why is she so afraid of debates?

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
29. Hillllary supporters flip-flop worse than Hillary herself
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:29 AM
May 2016


Another debate can only help
contrast republicans vs democrats...
but Hillary is too afraid of turning off
even more voters, hence she hides
from public view.
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